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Coyote grabs kid

We just in the last few days got a new piece of land to hunt coyotes on, something probably a yote attacked their little dog a while back- then around thanksgiving a coyote came up on the deck and ate dog food- middle of the day. Then had coyote walk right up on a group of them having a bond fire . They are the perfect opportunists . Of course all we’ve seen hunting out there so far is several white tails and a few weasels . Does strike me as insanely odd that they live in the middle of no where in the woods and not a firearm in the house .
Glad this little girl is alright.
 
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Broad daylight, kind of weird...I wonder if it had rabies or maybe it was starving. We only usually hear them as the daylight dwindles (also usually a pack of them).
 
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AngryKoala said:
Broad daylight, kind of weird...I wonder if it had rabies or maybe it was starving. We only usually hear them as the daylight dwindles (also usually a pack of them).
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I grew up in the middle of now where South Dakota, we had a lot of coyotes. They were active 24/7...but you only heard them when they'd be howling at night. We only hunted them during the day, could call them in best late afternoon to sunset.

Edit add: Never saw them in packs, but did call three in at one time, they came from all different directions.
 
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They want them trapped and relocate them.

Yeah ok, let's go with that plan instead of dumping it.
 
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TACC said:
They want them trapped and relocate them.

Yeah ok, let's go with that plan instead of dumping it.
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Trap 'em with a 440 conibear, relocate to a tannery.
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Cowpokey said:
I grew up in the middle of now where South Dakota, we had a lot of coyotes. They were active 24/7...but you only heard them when they'd be howling at night. We only hunted them during the day, could call them in best late afternoon to sunset.

Edit add: Never saw them in packs, but did call three in at one time, they came from all different directions.
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We use to only have 1 German shepherd but added three more dogs because of the number of coyotes. Good thing about dogs is they won't think twice when it comes to protecting....also a bad thing when you only have 1 vs. an unknown # of coyotes.

I always thought coyote hunting was more of night thing?
 
Fellas, there are a bunch of folks in this one who don't really understand coyotes. There are periods where they are active all day long. I've had groups howl at me mid day, I've called in large groups, mid day. A hungry, or territorial coyote isn't going to be deterred by the sun. They are primarily nocturnal, but if they are desperate, or hear a sound that trips their trigger to feed, they are on their way. The only reason coyotes don't eat dozens of people every day is because they know they aren't actually big enough to bring you down, but make no mistake, you break a leg a few miles from home and have to crawl back, and they get to you first, you're probably not coming home. They have killed and consumed plenty of people already. There is only one absolutely certain documented recent case of them killing a human, and that was a college girl in Canada a few years back. There have probably been thousands more, but when all they have are stripped bones for remains, there is no way to know what the cause of death is, so they just assume they died of some other cause, and the coyotes get a pass. This is going to become way more common in the next decade. Their populations are exploding and fur is useless, the trapping art has been forgotten, and they are learning how to deal with urban humans.
 
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Coyotes get weird around new developments too.

I used to live on a 10 acre plot surrounded by just shy of 1000 acres of mixed fields/woods. They weren't much of a problem until new housing developments started popping up all over the damn place. It didn't take long for them to start getting bold. Ducks are the first to go. No idea how those things survive in the wild... then the chickens and anything else increasing in size up to a small calf.

Hopefully the coyotes are just as bad on the property we're about to move into. If so, there's a decent chance I can convince the old ball and chain I need a decent clip on or dedicated thermal. They're not hard to manage around here if you're not a helpless jackass.
 
Coyotes are one of the few animals that do much better when humans are around. I made the mistake of warning some neighbors of how many we have seen on the neighborhood app thing and some nut job got on there amd proceeded to tell me how "they won't ever attack children" and she is part of a nationwide effort "to feed coyotes, which keeps them from eating our pets and bothering us". Most of the replies said "yes, please go ahead and shoot them" or something like that but there were several who told me how "we invaded their habitat " and they should be left alone, plus the crazy lady who thinks feeding them will do anything but make them multiply and be unafraid of people, which will cause more attacks.
 
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the fuckers are brave in california. espectially where i was. they'd trot down the street in broad daylight and even if you yelled at them, they ignore ya. my trigger finger never itched as bad as it did when i witnessed coyotes in cali. watched one sneaking up on a bum sleeping in a small park once. brave doesnt even begin to describe. ZERO fear or respect. ZERO. it's something you have to see to believe.
 
Been trying to do my part. Even picked up a thermal. Still nothing comes in except a bobcat.
 
I was slowly laboring up a steep hill on my road bike one 95 degree day, and a coyote started following me from 25' away. He probably thought I was about to drop over from exhaustion, from the noise I was making. I yelled at him, and he only backed off another 20'. Opportunistic, and being in Cali, I imagine they are rarely shot at.
 
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AngryKoala said:
Broad daylight, kind of weird...I wonder if it had rabies or maybe it was starving. We only usually hear them as the daylight dwindles (also usually a pack of them).
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You can tell it wasn't rabid, I've seen them, dumb rabies and aggressive rabies. That Coyote knew what it was doing, completely coherent in its actions, even stepped back when the adult stepped in, and evaluated the situation... A rabid animal wouldn't be rational enough to do that, especially in the last stage when the virus is shed through the saliva, by then the brain is on it's last leg and the animal would of been locked on, or still staggering around acting erratic. (I'd still 100% go through post exposure shots though, just to be safe)
I'd also note, he's lucky it wasn't an alpha pair or an aggressive larger sized Coyote, might of turned out differently.
 
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Les Johnson, of Everything Outdoors with Les Johnson, can stack yotes and other predators pretty handily.

His tube channel is titled as above. I'm not sure if he still has a show on the cable outdoor channels.

Keith
 
I believe the dog that grabbed the kid was this year's pup. It is still trying to figure things out, but in urban California, it is probably hand fed by idiots on a daily basis. That does not appear to be the more mature coyote that he chased off Buford Pusser style at the end of the video. There is probably a well fed group occupying the neighborhood. I don't want kids being harmed by coyotes, but secretly I kinda hope they start eating people in the states that are so anti-hunting, bears too. I hope one day the anti's have to come to us and beg us to kill the predators that are eating them, and we can make them pay big fat bounties.
 
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You can tell it wasn't rabid, I've seen them, dumb rabies and aggressive rabies. That Coyote knew what it was doing, completely coherent in its actions, even stepped back when the adult stepped in, and evaluated the situation... A rabid animal wouldn't be rational enough to do that, especially in the last stage when the virus is shed through the saliva, by then the brain is on it's last leg and the animal would of been locked on, or still staggering around acting erratic. (I'd still 100% go through post exposure shots though, just to be safe)
I'd also note, he's lucky it wasn't an alpha pair or an aggressive larger sized Coyote, might of turned out differently.
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Good points. I've just never seen a coyote do that of course we always had dogs around so that could be why.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
I believe the dog that grabbed the kid was this year's pup. It is still trying to figure things out, but in urban California, it is probably hand fed by idiots on a daily basis. That does not appear to be the more mature coyote that he chased off Buford Pusser style at the end of the video. There is probably a well fed group occupying the neighborhood. I don't want kids being harmed by coyotes, but secretly I kinda hope they start eating people in the states that are so anti-hunting, bears too. I hope one day the anti's have to come to us and beg us to kill the predators that are eating them, and we can make them pay big fat bounties.
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Kind of a twist on the theme of "Atlas Shrugged"!
 
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Folks need to look into pcp air rifles, although not sure about local ordinances...sbd.
 
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Coyotes are one of the few animals that do much better when humans are around. I made the mistake of warning some neighbors of how many we have seen on the neighborhood app thing and some nut job got on there amd proceeded to tell me how "they won't ever attack children" and she is part of a nationwide effort "to feed coyotes, which keeps them from eating our pets and bothering us". Most of the replies said "yes, please go ahead and shoot them" or something like that but there were several who told me how "we invaded their habitat " and they should be left alone, plus the crazy lady who thinks feeding them will do anything but make them multiply and be unafraid of people, which will cause more attacks.
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I had a neighbor who used to feed the "Poor little raccoons and possums." who came up from the creek. Never could get her to understand about
'rabies following the waterways', I was just mean.
 
AngryKoala said:
Broad daylight, kind of weird...I wonder if it had rabies or maybe it was starving. We only usually hear them as the daylight dwindles (also usually a pack of them).
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You don't really hear about much coyote attacks on humans in general. Most attacks seem to be due to 'coydogs'.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
Fellas, there are a bunch of folks in this one who don't really understand coyotes. There are periods where they are active all day long. I've had groups howl at me mid day, I've called in large groups, mid day. A hungry, or territorial coyote isn't going to be deterred by the sun. They are primarily nocturnal, but if they are desperate, or hear a sound that trips their trigger to feed, they are on their way. The only reason coyotes don't eat dozens of people every day is because they know they aren't actually big enough to bring you down, but make no mistake, you break a leg a few miles from home and have to crawl back, and they get to you first, you're probably not coming home. They have killed and consumed plenty of people already. There is only one absolutely certain documented recent case of them killing a human, and that was a college girl in Canada a few years back. There have probably been thousands more, but when all they have are stripped bones for remains, there is no way to know what the cause of death is, so they just assume they died of some other cause, and the coyotes get a pass. This is going to become way more common in the next decade. Their populations are exploding and fur is useless, the trapping art has been forgotten, and they are learning how to deal with urban humans.
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Fun fact about coyotes - when the matriarch of the pack releases a pack member is missing (they do calls every night), she immediately goes into heat to produce more pups. So killing coyotes actually causes them to produce even more coyotes.

Coyotes, as annoying as they can be, are an amazing generalist species. They are in every city in the US.
 
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Fun fact about coyotes - when the matriarch of the pack releases a pack member is missing (they do calls every night), she immediately goes into heat to produce more pups. So killing coyotes actually causes them to produce even more coyotes.

Coyotes, as annoying as they can be, are an amazing generalist species. They are in every city in the US.
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Kind of like cockroaches and wetbacks:ROFLMAO:
 
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Maggot said:
I had a neighbor who used to feed the "Poor little raccoons and possums." who came up from the creek. Never could get her to understand about
'rabies following the waterways', I was just mean.
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I guess just a lot of really stupid people. You'd think just the fact that it's a well known thing to "not feed the animals" would let people know but some people are just dumb, and the rest of us have to suffer it.
 
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kthomas said:
Fun fact about coyotes - when the matriarch of the pack releases a pack member is missing (they do calls every night), she immediately goes into heat to produce more pups. So killing coyotes actually causes them to produce even more coyotes.

Coyotes, as annoying as they can be, are an amazing generalist species. They are in every city in the US.
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That is a myth. They do not, nor have they ever done that. Much of the bullshit like that popularized by Dan Flores "coyote America" has been definitively proven to be false. Coyotes have one heat cycle per year, one set of eggs, and that's it. Like every other animal on earth capable of multiple births, litter size is determined by the health of the mother. Younger females have larger litters than older mothers, generally speaking. Now, it can get complicated because less competition in an area likely means a healthier mother and a bigger litter, bit they don't have programmable ovaries. That's something the hippies invented to try to stop people from hunting them. They also don't call every night. Some coyotes are very vocal and some barely make a sound. There are long periods of time each year when a howl is really rare, like at pup birthing time. Then, breeding season and dispersal, they can't shut up.
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
That is a myth. They do not, nor have they ever done that. Much of the bullshit like that popularized by Dan Flores "coyote America" has been definitively proven to be false. Coyotes have one heat cycle per year, one set of eggs, and that's it. Like every other animal on earth capable of multiple births, litter size is determined by the health of the mother. Younger females have larger litters than older mothers, generally speaking. Now, it can get complicated because less competition in an area likely means a healthier mother and a bigger litter, bit they don't have programmable ovaries. That's something the hippies invented to try to stop people from hunting them. They also don't call every night. Some coyotes are very vocal and some barely make a sound. There are long periods of time each year when a howl is really rare, like at pup birthing time. Then, breeding season and dispersal, they can't shut up.
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Bingo.

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While we are busting myths, let's wreck this one:

The coyotes where you live don't weigh 70lbs, or 50lbs. The average mature eastern coyote is about 32lbs and the average western is about 28lbs. If you see one that is over 50lbs, it's the equivalent of a 200" white tail. They also do not breed with your dogs. You'll see Bigfoot twice before you'll see a coy dog. They aren't a real thing. The circumstances required for a coyote hybrid breeding are less likely than the 2020 presidential election being valid. The chances of a hybrid surviving to adulthood are probably somewhere close to your odds of winning the lottery last month when it hit $1.5 billion. There have been thousands of coyotes tested that people thought were wolf or domestic dog hybrids, and it just isn't real. Doesn't happen.
 
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kthomas said:
Fun fact about coyotes - when the matriarch of the pack releases a pack member is missing (they do calls every night), she immediately goes into heat to produce more pups. So killing coyotes actually causes them to produce even more coyotes.

Coyotes, as annoying as they can be, are an amazing generalist species. They are in every city in the US.
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Well that is downright disheartening! Thought I was saving fawns all along. Can you document your statement that killing coyotes just produces more?
 
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I believe the dog that grabbed the kid was this year's pup. It is still trying to figure things out, but in urban California, it is probably hand fed by idiots on a daily basis. That does not appear to be the more mature coyote that he chased off Buford Pusser style at the end of the video. There is probably a well fed group occupying the neighborhood. I don't want kids being harmed by coyotes, but secretly I kinda hope they start eating people in the states that are so anti-hunting, bears too. I hope one day the anti's have to come to us and beg us to kill the predators that are eating them, and we can make them pay big fat bounties.
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IMHO the problem is people not the coyote. Urban coyote "get use to" people because people don't "go after" them. If a coyote sees you as something that can hurt or kill it, the coyote will run away. So people feeding it, bringing out their phones to get a photo of them with "nature" are the cause of all the problems. Coyote also have a range they hang around. All other mid level predator's will move or keep a very low profile, Coyote will kill a fox if given a chance just like a wolf will kill coyote if given a chance, just the way it works, they all eat the same stuff, and that is about everything, and trash is a gold mine.

The coyote around my place, if you see them during the day they are WAY over there, and if they see you they are gone before you can grab your rifle.....they don't hang around. Now when I had chickens they came around at night, but never got any, opossum and raccoon could figure the way to get into the pen.

This kind of thing (in the news story) happens when the coyote is hungry, use to people, and the so called "adult" human is an idiot. Who in their right mind lets a kid that young wonder around even in a chain linked yard I would have an eye on the kid....you never know what can happen.....but kids are just another status symbol to most people anymore.
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
While we are busting myths, let's wreck this one:

The coyotes where you live don't weigh 70lbs, or 50lbs. The average mature eastern coyote is about 32lbs and the average western is about 28lbs. If you see one that is over 50lbs, it's the equivalent of a 200" white tail. They also do not breed with your dogs. You'll see Bigfoot twice before you'll see a coy dog. They aren't a real thing. The circumstances required for a coyote hybrid breeding are less likely than the 2020 presidential election being valid. The chances of a hybrid surviving to adulthood are probably somewhere close to your odds of winning the lottery last month when it hit $1.5 billion. There have been thousands of coyotes tested that people thought were wolf or domestic dog hybrids, and it just isn't real. Doesn't happen.
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"They also do not breed with your dogs. ...... They aren't a real thing. T"
You are not accurate in your statement
coyotes can breed with dogs. Does it happen regularly, I doubt it, but it can happen.
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Can Coyotes Mate With Dogs? (3-Minute Read) - AnimalFate

People tend to speculate whether coyotes can breed with dogs or not. Dogs and coyotes are related to each other but are they biologically capable of producing
www.animalfate.com www.animalfate.com
from article - So can a coyote breed with a dog? The answer to that is a yes. A coyote and a dog are biologically connected. With that, they are perfectly capable of producing offspring.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
I believe the dog that grabbed the kid was this year's pup. It is still trying to figure things out, but in urban California, it is probably hand fed by idiots on a daily basis. That does not appear to be the more mature coyote that he chased off Buford Pusser style at the end of the video. There is probably a well fed group occupying the neighborhood. I don't want kids being harmed by coyotes, but secretly I kinda hope they start eating people in the states that are so anti-hunting, bears too. I hope one day the anti's have to come to us and beg us to kill the predators that are eating them, and we can make them pay big fat bounties.
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Agree on prob this yrs dog. There's one hanging around a subdivision near where I work. Probably making its living eating left out pet food and pets. I stopped and was going to shoot it in the rd the other wk, but thought better of it. Decided doing town fucks a favor, the same town fucks that would call the cops on me for killing their problem, was exposing myself to problems with no benifits. Fuck'em.
 
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babyguppy said:
"They also do not breed with your dogs. ...... They aren't a real thing. T"
You are not accurate in your statement
coyotes can breed with dogs. Does it happen regularly, I doubt it, but it can happen.
www.animalfate.com

Can Coyotes Mate With Dogs? (3-Minute Read) - AnimalFate

People tend to speculate whether coyotes can breed with dogs or not. Dogs and coyotes are related to each other but are they biologically capable of producing
www.animalfate.com www.animalfate.com
from article - So can a coyote breed with a dog? The answer to that is a yes. A coyote and a dog are biologically connected. With that, they are perfectly capable of producing offspring.
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Some dogs are mudsharks.
 
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Right in my neck of the woods. Anyone want to guess just how much jail time I would be looking at for killing problem coyotes around here? And god help me if I was to kill a mountain lion...
 
c1steve said:
I was slowly laboring up a steep hill on my road bike one 95 degree day, and a coyote started following me from 25' away. He probably thought I was about to drop over from exhaustion, from the noise I was making. I yelled at him, and he only backed off another 20'. Opportunistic, and being in Cali, I imagine they are rarely shot at.
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You'd think the 20 cars behind you would of scared it away.......😁
 
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