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Anyone Making Money on a Small Acreage Parcel?

So much depends on location.

How the hell is anyone making money off of hay on a small parcel? Round bales go for around $40 here, $70 for horse quality. It also requires ~70hp+ tractor and a big $$$ bailer.

Heirloom seedlings and duck eggs are where it's at around here. People who are allergic to chicken eggs are usually G2G with duck eggs and they sell at a premium. You can make a hell of a lot more money raising seedlings than you can off of produce around here too.

Beef isn't profitable here unless 90% of their food is coming out of the ground. The butcher's fees kill it and besides, grass fed beef sucks anyway, regardless of whether or not it's healthier.

Chickens aren't worth it from a financial perspective either. I can't get eggs for less than 50 cents a piece after amortizing all costs.

Microgreens, gourmet mushrooms, etc. might be worth looking into.
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This. Lots of folks in the NE make money off small plots. It’s always oddball or heirloom type stuff. Hops are a big thing right now as the breweries are all over “local” stuff. Garlic is another. We have a place nearby that does tens of thousands in heirloom garlic every year.

Grapes (if you have a wine industry) are another. And hot peppers are big, especially stupid hot rare varieties.

Goat meat is in high demand and sells for crazy prices.

Niche stuff. That no one else is doing and is done really well, is profitable. Then again, where are you going to sell? Farmers markets are a joke. And good distributors make huge markups. So you need a local group of stores or restaurants to sell to farm-to-table. Or do your own ‘product’ like a niche pepper sauce or pickled garlic or something.

The downside… 30-40k in equipment for virtually anything you want to do, will probably be your baseline. And the labor is intensive. Not to mention the learning curve. So your startup out of pocket is not small. And expect 2-3 years before your learning curve delivers you salable crops.

Can it be done? You bet. But it is real work and a lifestyle… not just plant some stuff and profit in the fall.

Sirhr
 
I grew up dirt floor poor on 10 acres. Tech/city people who like their lives clean, have no fucking clue how much daily brutal labour is required to survive that way. The other option is starting with a large fortune and ending up with a small one. It’s the same reason so many people are fat slobs. Laziness and entitlement looking for the easy way. If it was easy don’t you think everyone would do it? If one in a marriage will actually work that hard, the other one is almost never as committed. Recipe for divorce. I’ll respect you if you prove me wrong. I don’t respect many. You do the math.
 
I have a well paying profession that I can do remotely and have no interest in the hard work that farming for a living takes. At this point it's looking like my best bet is to buy a big shitty piece of land for peace and quiet or a smaller nicer piece and become a "farmer" of some sort to take advantage of tax breaks.

Or I could just say "fuck it" move to Portland and try to buy a rental property or three and become a slum lord in my old age...
 
Someone near me turned a couple acres of crap property into a truck parking lot. Invest in the gravel foundation, chain link/barbed wire fence with electric, coded, gate, lights, and security cameras. Lease out the assigned parking spaces. He filled all the parking spaces immediately. He sits back and watches the money roll in.
 
Someone near me turned a couple acres of crap property into a truck parking lot. Invest in the gravel foundation, chain link/barbed wire fence with electric, coded, gate, lights, and security cameras. Lease out the assigned parking spaces. He filled all the parking spaces immediately. He sits back and watches the money roll in.
With a road right down the middle, he could set up a steel range for 22lr and be all set… 😒
 
We gotta 2500 acre pine plantation down in Soperton. Been in the family since 1929.. my dad lives on it.
The taxes on the land are all paid for by hunting leases.


Pap made over a mill $ last year clear cutting...
 
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For anyone worried about crappy land, all you need is cattle and some time. This is the difference regenerative agriculture has made on a South African farm. Left of the fence has been grazed with cattle, that’s pretty much it. Right is untouched

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If you plan on using the land a couple of things can be done but will take time and money.
Raise animals, I would suggest goats or sheep. For all purpose meat and milk goats Nubians would probably be a good option. For milk goats Saanen or Alpine (milking is a full-time job in itself).
For meat sheep that are really hardy and easy keepers I would suggest Barbado Blackbelly or a cross of those. Katahdin or a cross is also pretty easy to keep and requires little maintenance. Big thing is having some additional nutrients and solid fencing (electric with net wire is recommended)! Barbado sheep are copper sensitive so paying attention and using the correct feed is important as well as learning to doctor an animal in a crisis and having a vet on emergency calls (tubing to help remove bloat or needle decompression, lambing emergencies etc).

For hay, a less expensive way if you are handy and if your pasture produces good hay would be to sell small square bales. Lots of people don't have tractors and square bales are a lot easier to deal with. You need to be handy if you want to do it on the "cheaper" for a used square baler and the magic that wraps, ties and cuts, the old tractor (I would feel ok with an 8n on flat ground but I would feel a little nervous on sloped ground), a cutter and a hay rake. Then you would need a trailer to haul, deliver and you could charge a reduced fee for pickup from your place. I almost forgot the spreader for the fertilizer (fertilized grass produces better and is more desirable, for fertilized hay your target group would be horse owners) and you need to ensure you pick the correct grass (like Bromegrass in Kansas, or an improved Bahia or Bermuda grass in Louisiana (we also grow rye grass in the winter)). I don't know what grass is good out in Oregan besides the stuff Willie smokes. Anyways baling hay requires a strong back and stronger work ethic along with some knowledge (hay fires aren't uncommon and putting up wet or damp hay will cause it)!!!

As was posted before, once you go down that road your life is not your own, it is a lot of responsibility. Someone always has to watch the animals, make sure they have food and water. I grain my animals every night after work, make sure they have water, fresh hay. I check fences regularly, open pens in the morning, hunt predators at night, fix fences during the day and this is just for a small hobby farm with some horses, sheep, goats, chickens, ducks and my dogs. Cool thing is I help out my neighbor and he helps me out. I built him a cattle chute that almost flipped my tractor over because of the weight. I built it to handle Herefords, brahmas that he has, lots of cutting, grinding and welding.

Last thing is that you are always learning! No farmer ever "knows it all".

Good luck on whatever you plan to do.
 
Watch Clarkson’s Farm on Amazon Prime. Jeremy Clarkson, of Top Gear, thought he could do it during a Covid lockdowns and did a show on it. Quickly found out he didn’t have a clue. Well done show; humorous and very respectful of rural life.
 
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The super-short answer is that anything beyond letting it sit and hoping it increases in value, or paving it is more effort than Franko is going to invest.
 
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The super-short answer is that anything beyond letting it sit and hoping it increases in value, or paving it is more effort than Franko is going to invest.
Pretty much. I already have a career and am not interested in starting over as a farmer. I'm just looking for things that might help pay for the property that aren't time or labor intensive. Something along the lines of a RV/Vehicle storage lot, growing hay, or maybe a tree farm could work. Having to care for animals on a day to day basis would cut into my primary way of making money (IT/Legal consulting). Much as I hate the term I'm in the market for an easy "side hustle".
 
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Anyone that has never had experience with livestock should video how it goes if they try it.
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When I was 11 I accidentally left the gate open while feeding the goats.


Holy hell I still remember vividly how much of a bitch it was getting them all back in. Literally took like 8 hours...
 
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This. Lots of folks in the NE make money off small plots. It’s always oddball or heirloom type stuff. Hops are a big thing right now as the breweries are all over “local” stuff. Garlic is another. We have a place nearby that does tens of thousands in heirloom garlic every year.

Grapes (if you have a wine industry) are another. And hot peppers are big, especially stupid hot rare varieties.

Goat meat is in high demand and sells for crazy prices.

Niche stuff. That no one else is doing and is done really well, is profitable. Then again, where are you going to sell? Farmers markets are a joke. And good distributors make huge markups. So you need a local group of stores or restaurants to sell to farm-to-table. Or do your own ‘product’ like a niche pepper sauce or pickled garlic or something.

The downside… 30-40k in equipment for virtually anything you want to do, will probably be your baseline. And the labor is intensive. Not to mention the learning curve. So your startup out of pocket is not small. And expect 2-3 years before your learning curve delivers you salable crops.

Can it be done? You bet. But it is real work and a lifestyle… not just plant some stuff and profit in the fall.

Sirhr
Growing hops isn’t a bad idea if you’re in a cool climate and have local breweries nearby that dabble in wet hopping. Fresh hops go to hell awfully fast. Hardneck garlic isn’t bad either.

The problem is the up front costs you mentioned. A tractor, implements and fencing don’t come cheap. We’re at about $7 a foot for woven wire around here (installed.). If you’re moving round bails even occasionally you’re looking at 35hp minimum and that’s keeping the bail 12” off the ground with rim guard and/or weights. Now you have to deal with EPA crap and repairs that you may or may not be able to handle DIY. Figure $30k for the tractor/loader and another $12k or so for implements. Then you’re operating costs which newbies are sure to underestimate.

Way too many people have fallen in love with the idea of homesteading lately and there’s a lot of competition relative to 10 or 20 years ago.

Small farms are like restaurants. Financially speaking, they make about as much sense as pursuing your dream of becoming a world famous rapper. Only rapping doesn’t require an up front investment of $50k to $100k.

Sell feet pics instead. I bet you’ll make more money.
 
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When I was 11 I accidentally left the gate while feeding the goats.


Holy hell I still remember vividly how much of a bitch it was getting them all back in. Literally took like 8 hours...
I lucked out with when one of my horses jumped a four foot fence. Luckily he can't be separated from my other horses so he was easy to catch. Down the street from me all of her horses got out and it took a couple of days before she recovered them with help from the neighbors if I remember that one correctly.
 
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Growing hops isn’t a bad idea if you’re in a cool climate and have local breweries nearby that dabble in wet hopping. Fresh hops go to hell awfully fast. Hardneck garlic isn’t bad either.

The problem is the up front costs you mentioned. A tractor, implements and fencing don’t come cheap. We’re at about $7 a foot for woven wire around here (installed.). If you’re moving round bails even occasionally you’re looking at 35hp minimum and that’s keeping the bail 12” off the ground with rim guard and/or weights. Now you have to deal with EPA crap and repairs that you may or may not be able to handle DIY. Figure $30k for the tractor/loader and another $12k or so for implements. Then you’re operating costs which newbies are sure to underestimate.

Way too many people have fallen in love with the idea of homesteading lately and there’s a lot of competition relative to 10 or 20 years ago.

Small farms are like restaurants. Financially speaking, they make about as much sense as pursuing your dream of becoming a world famous rapper. Only rapping doesn’t require an up front investment of $50k to $100k.

Sell feet pics instead. I bet you’ll make more money.
Tractor and implements are ridiculous! Best is to buy new where I am at because the used stuff is beat to crap and the owners wants to sell it at new prices cause "I know what I got". A nice tractor like an M6060 or 7060 is an easy $50k without implements if I remember correctly. I wish I had gotten the 7060 with the 12 speed.

If you really wanted to have fun silvopasture with animals (would recommend multiple species like cattle, goats and sheep) . You could potentially lease it to livestock owners. But, still a lot of work.

I am still working on redoing the cross fencing of my front pasture (not fun). I sunk and concreted 5 eight to nine foot sections of telephone pole for gate hanging sections, have to run my pickets at about 1 every 10', hang the gates, cross braces, put on fence and tension, barb wire top (because my horses will try to push the net wire down. Just thinking about all the fencing I need to replace makes me want a beer!
 
Decent looking land with power and septic and a concrete pad is a money maker, just very depending on location on how much and of course seasonally.
 
Pretty much. I already have a career and am not interested in starting over as a farmer. I'm just looking for things that might help pay for the property that aren't time or labor intensive. Something along the lines of a RV/Vehicle storage lot, growing hay, or maybe a tree farm could work. Having to care for animals on a day to day basis would cut into my primary way of making money (IT/Legal consulting). Much as I hate the term I'm in the market for an easy "side hustle".

There's an RV storage lot down the road from me that's nothing but dirt and a cyclone fence & it's always full.
 
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This is how to tell me you don't know jack shit about raising cattle.
You sound like Bloomberg.
In the USA correct no idea.
In New Zealand, that is exactly how it's done.

Just giving ideas to the OP, sometimes a different perspective an open up a world of opportunities, but yes I'm more likely to be full of shit.
The US beef market/system is likely not setup even remotely how it is in NZ, so it's up to the OP to do some homework.

Overseas markets (like NZ) are inovating all the time, with weird little niche markets popping up all the time.
Someone willing to step outside the box back make some decent money over here.
Is it the same in the US? I have no idea but just saying it can't be done so don't even consider is likely not the full story either.
 
I have a well paying profession that I can do remotely and have no interest in the hard work that farming for a living takes. At this point it's looking like my best bet is to buy a big shitty piece of land for peace and quiet or a smaller nicer piece and become a "farmer" of some sort to take advantage of tax breaks.

Or I could just say "fuck it" move to Portland and try to buy a rental property or three and become a slum lord in my old age...
More land shitty land would be the easy way to go.
More shooting potential, less work on the land, and fewer/further away neighbours.
 
In the USA correct no idea.
In New Zealand, that is exactly how it's done.

Just giving ideas to the OP, sometimes a different perspective an open up a world of opportunities, but yes I'm more likely to be full of shit.
The US beef market/system is likely not setup even remotely how it is in NZ, so it's up to the OP to do some homework.

Overseas markets (like NZ) are inovating all the time, with weird little niche markets popping up all the time.
Someone willing to step outside the box back make some decent money over here.
Is it the same in the US? I have no idea but just saying it can't be done so don't even consider is likely not the full story either.
Down where I am at the cost of owning cattle is up and the sale price went down. we had whole herd sell offs which hurt prices in the local area but I expect the market will swing back since in the long run that just means less producers. Still, it doesn't look to be good around here at least not for the small farms.
 
Down where I am at the cost of owning cattle is up and the sale price went down. we had whole herd sell offs which hurt prices in the local area but I expect the market will swing back since in the long run that just means less producers. Still, it doesn't look to be good around here at least not for the small farms.
How do smaller cattle farms work over there?
Can you just ring up a stock agent and say I have 10 cows ready to go to the works, or is it more difficult than that?
I imagine if you live a million miles away from the works transport cost will be horrendous, so not feasible.

How does the beef price get worked out? Is it all based on a nation wide/global price or is it locally set?
Over here there pretty much all the beef will go to a few large companies whi will either export or sell locally, so you get the market export price that everyone in NZ is getting.

There is a whole industry (called home kill) of people who get their own cattles killed/butchered for their own use but this meat isn't allowed to be sold publicily.
There has recently been a few of the homekill guys getting set up so the meat they butcher is allowed to be sold to the public, so some farmers have started selling meat direct to the public or resturaunts, of have started going for things like Wagu beef and making some good money from people who like going to farmers markets and all that bollocks.
 
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How do smaller cattle farms work over there?
Can you just ring up a stock agent and say I have 10 cows ready to go to the works, or is it more difficult than that?
I imagine if you live a million miles away from the works transport cost will be horrendous, so not feasible.

How does the beef price get worked out? Is it all based on a nation wide/global price or is it locally set?
Over here there pretty much all the beef will go to a few large companies whi will either export or sell locally, so you get the market export price that everyone in NZ is getting.

There is a whole industry (called home kill) of people who get their own cattles killed/butchered for their own use but this meat isn't allowed to be sold publicily.
There has recently been a few of the homekill guys getting set up so the meat they butcher is allowed to be sold to the public, so some farmers have started selling meat direct to the public or resturaunts, of have started going for things like Wagu beef and making some good money from people who like going to farmers markets and all that bollocks.
I’ll come at this from the perspective of a reformed hobby cattle farmer. My dad bought a 12 acre tract when I was in elementary school and went 1/2sies on another 20 acre tract with my uncle at the same time. Between those 2 pieces of property and a few grass leases and some other family land, they had about 500 acres and raised as many as 100 head at a time. The ‘home tracts’ were reserved for weaned calves and 1st calf heifers. This was not a day job for either of them and it certainly would not pay to raise a family. In a good year calf sales would pay for expenses, and in a less good year the expenses made for a tidy write off. It’s not everyone that can say they have a tax deductible hobby. Today, with the home properties and the facilities and equipment long since written off and paid for, the “cattle farm” runs at a profit. It is still not nearly enough to live on, but no more itemizing deductions come tax season. And, with my dad and his brother in their 70s, the cattle are mostly something to allow them to drive around and look at them.

In general, to sell meat to the public you have to have a USDA inspected and approved slaughter and butcher facilities. For the guy with a few cows, the investment isn’t worth it.

Most “hobby farmers” take their calves to the local “auction barn” for sale. In South Texas where my family raises cattle, many/most small towns have- or are near- an auction barn. These calves typically are bought by “feed lots” that fatten the calves for a number of months before reselling them into the beef market. Sale prices are dictated by who shows up to which barn to buy, how much money they have to invest, how many and what quality of cattle are available at that barn, the apparent quality of the specific animal, and the overall market. One calf may sell for $98 per 100 (lbs live weight) and the next may sell for $105 per 100. Some barns may have a higher average sale price than others in the general area, but it will be a few cents per pound. Beyond that, sale prices will be regional, but will all be dictated by the overall beef market. If demand for beef is high, then prices will be high. If feed prices are high, then the supply of cattle at the barns may be high, and sale prices will be low.

There are niche markets that cater to people or groups that will buy an entire calf/steer/cow/whatever, have it slaughtered and butchered (at a federally inspected facility) and split the costs and meat. We have done this, but you are in a “you get what you get” proposition. There are only so many rib-eye steaks on an animal.

My dad butchered a steer last year for himself. I had a picture somewhere. Like a really big deer hanging from the bucket of a tractor- big surprise, right? Not much the feds can say about a rancher slaughtering his own animals for his own consumption. But, if one were to take an animal somewhere else to have it butchered (which we often did when I was a kid), even if for personal consumption, that facility must be USDA inspected and approved.

In all of this, it is the long-spindly fingers of the federal government that makes the hobby cattle farm a loser- even before considering the fickle ups and downs of the cattle market and feed and hay and barns and pens and trailers and tractors and fences and gates and repairs and insurance for that one time when your cattle jump the fence and end up on the highway and one gets hit by a Toyota Carola and on and on and on…
 
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If it has to be raising animals (last thing on my list imho) I'd do a niche market like goats. Horses and cows are a pain in the ass and take up too much land. Even something like renting out your stables so yuppie women can store their horses somewhere is hell. They'll kick the fences, chew on the trees, fight each other, you're constantly shoveling horse shit and hay.
 
Mineral rights pays property taxes plus some.
Cattle make a few more $ and we get beef free.
Deer and hogs around. Lots of them.
Once we get built up, the greenhouse and garden will grow most of what we want to eat plantwise, sell/trade the extra. The ponds already have fish and I'm planning on some aquaculture. Trees for firewood for generations. There are some pecans that need to be tended better, apples in the same condition, wild muscadine grapes. I think peaches will do well.
I make/build some stuff when I feel like it that people like to pay good money for.
Trade labor and such with neighbors and friends.
750 yards one direction to shoot and 1000 yards the other direction. I can get to about 2000 yards shooting across the neighbors pasture into his woods. I've done it and will again, he doesn't care at all, but I won't be wearing out the welcome.
I'll go into full retirement soon and am looking forward to it.
 
Mineral rights pays property taxes plus some.
Cattle make a few more $ and we get beef free.
Deer and hogs around. Lots of them.
Once we get built up, the greenhouse and garden will grow most of what we want to eat plantwise, sell/trade the extra. The ponds already have fish and I'm planning on some aquaculture. Trees for firewood for generations. There are some pecans that need to be tended better, apples in the same condition, wild muscadine grapes. I think peaches will do well.
I make/build some stuff when I feel like it that people like to pay good money for.
Trade labor and such with neighbors and friends.
750 yards one direction to shoot and 1000 yards the other direction. I can get to about 2000 yards shooting across the neighbors pasture into his woods. I've done it and will again, he doesn't care at all, but I won't be wearing out the welcome.
I'll go into full retirement soon and am looking forward to it.
Will you adopt me? That sounds awesome
 
Do you actually own a farm or cattle? Or is this what you are told how it's done?
At what price are you buying them at and what price are you selling them at? How are the fences being maintained? How are the pastures being maintained? How are the cows being welfare checked? How are they being rounded up and loaded for sale? How are they being fed in the winter when the grass is not growing? How about water in the winter? (I've been out at 1 in the morning in 5 degree F repairing a broken underground water line). Here's a picture of shit that happens
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Do you think that this cow just let me walk up to it and hold it's eye open so I could figure out what the frick was going on?
Hell if it's that easy in NZ I think I might just put up with the bullshit gun and vax laws so I can sit on the couch and rake in the money.
In the USA correct no idea.
In New Zealand, that is exactly how it's done.

Just giving ideas to the OP, sometimes a different perspective an open up a world of opportunities, but yes I'm more likely to be full of shit.
The US beef market/system is likely not setup even remotely how it is in NZ, so it's up to the OP to do some homework.

Overseas markets (like NZ) are inovating all the time, with weird little niche markets popping up all the time.
Someone willing to step outside the box back make some decent money over here.
Is it the same in the US? I have no idea but just saying it can't be done so don't even consider is likely not the full story either.
 
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Do you actually own a farm or cattle? Or is this what you are told how it's done?
At what price are you buying them at and what price are you selling them at? How are the fences being maintained? How are the pastures being maintained? How are the cows being welfare checked? How are they being rounded up and loaded for sale? How are they being fed in the winter when the grass is not growing? How about water in the winter? (I've been out at 1 in the morning in 5 degree F repairing a broken underground water line). Here's a picture of shit that happens
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Do you think that this cow just let me walk up to it and hold it's eye open so I could figure out what the frick was going on?
Hell if it's that easy in NZ I think I might just put up with the bullshit gun and vax laws so I can sit on the couch and rake in the money.
With a bit of luck we will have a change of Governments next year and we will get some half decent gun laws back, the vax shit is all gone now, so yeah maybe you could move here and take it easy.

Current beef price is sitting about $5.80 per Kg (carcass weight) which is still pretty high, historically it's probably been nearer $5 but Covid has been good for NZ farmers. You can typically get a few day old calf for about $80-$120, a weaned calf will run between $250 and $400.

I can walk out into my paddocks and the cattle will come right up to me, with a bit of work I'm sure I could get them to eat out of my hand.
Most small properties will already have some stock yards with a race that allows for drenching, taging, de-horning and loading on and off the cattle truck. It's piss easy to run the cattle through the stock yards to attend to an injured animal, we are talking 20-50 acres here not 20,000 where it takes 2 days to bring cattle into the stock yards.
Most farmers will just put lime on their paddocks, or if they are feeling wealthy they'll get some super phosphate put on. A small plot you can do it by yourself with a small fert spreader, or a large plot you'll get a contractor in.

Obviously it clearly depends where the land is, where I am it barely hits 0°C, so winter is fine if you have a bit of hay or silage. If you have decent fences then they don't take much maintenance, even if some fencing needs repalcing it is hardly rocket sience, hardest part for me is the ground here being 100% makes putting posts in a real pain in the arse once if drys out.
As I've previously said the quality of land and location will largely dictate how easy or not it is to raise cattle.
Clearly I have no idea what the ins and outs are of the industry in the USA but don't pretend like you need a science degree to feed cows grass and then send them to the aborttoir when they are the right size.

My in laws moved to NZ from the UK and bought a 20acre block, they new absolutely nothing about farming but eventually got themselves set up with a bit of help from their neighbour and a lot of learning things the hard way.
 
Look to Alaska, if you become a resident, $100/year will get you moose, caribou, blacktail deer, black bear, brown bear, large limits of ducks, you can shoot sandhill cranes, geese, wolves, sheep, goat, and I feel like I'm still missing some major things, oh, female muskox tag is something like $25.

And for some of those animals, you can shoot several, parts of the state allow 5 black bear, and some allow 6 blacktail deer a year.

Then, salmon, halibut, several varietals of crab, prawns, scallops, cod, and on and on.
 
Sounds like you have the perfect setup. Grass growing year round, buying cheap and selling high, no pinkeye or any other regular health issues with barely any work. Are there any farms or land for sale in your area?
With a bit of luck we will have a change of Governments next year and we will get some half decent gun laws back, the vax shit is all gone now, so yeah maybe you could move here and take it easy.

Current beef price is sitting about $5.80 per Kg (carcass weight) which is still pretty high, historically it's probably been nearer $5 but Covid has been good for NZ farmers. You can typically get a few day old calf for about $80-$120, a weaned calf will run between $250 and $400.

I can walk out into my paddocks and the cattle will come right up to me, with a bit of work I'm sure I could get them to eat out of my hand.
Most small properties will already have some stock yards with a race that allows for drenching, taging, de-horning and loading on and off the cattle truck. It's piss easy to run the cattle through the stock yards to attend to an injured animal, we are talking 20-50 acres here not 20,000 where it takes 2 days to bring cattle into the stock yards.
Most farmers will just put lime on their paddocks, or if they are feeling wealthy they'll get some super phosphate put on. A small plot you can do it by yourself with a small fert spreader, or a large plot you'll get a contractor in.

Obviously it clearly depends where the land is, where I am it barely hits 0°C, so winter is fine if you have a bit of hay or silage. If you have decent fences then they don't take much maintenance, even if some fencing needs repalcing it is hardly rocket sience, hardest part for me is the ground here being 100% makes putting posts in a real pain in the arse once if drys out.
As I've previously said the quality of land and location will largely dictate how easy or not it is to raise cattle.
Clearly I have no idea what the ins and outs are of the industry in the USA but don't pretend like you need a science degree to feed cows grass and then send them to the aborttoir when they are the right size.

My in laws moved to NZ from the UK and bought a 20acre block, they new absolutely nothing about farming but eventually got themselves set up with a bit of help from their neighbour and a lot of learning things the hard way.
 
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Sounds like you have the perfect setup. Grass growing year round, buying cheap and selling high, no pinkeye or any other regular health issues with barely any work. Are there any farms or land for sale in your area?
Kinda, depends what you want.
I live in a areas that is almost perfect for dairy farming, all the good land is worth a lot due to being used for dairy.
Plenty of small blocks around but they are pretty expensive due to being quite a populated area.
There are some bigger blocks around that are used for beef but most are quite steep so end up being sheep and beef.

Plenty of farms for sale futher afield though, almost any size you want from 20acres to 10,000 depending where you want to live.
 
My dad butchered a steer last year for himself. I had a picture somewhere. Like a really big deer hanging from the bucket of a tractor- big surprise, right? Not much the feds can say about a rancher slaughtering his own animals for his own consumption. But, if one were to take an animal somewhere else to have it butchered (which we often did when I was a kid), even if for personal consumption, that facility must be USDA inspected and approved.
Pretty much the same here other than there is a "loop hole" that allows animal owners to get their own animals butchered without the need to jump through all the hoops. The butchers are all fully qualified, it's the killing of the animal and transport to the butcher that is the problem.

There are some guys who are gettting set up so they meat can be sold to the public but as the guys doing the killing are kept busy as it is there is no desire by many of them to go to through the hassle of getting approved.

I've always wondered if someone could do NZ style beef farming over there, if I'm correct in think grass fed beef gets a much higher price than grain fed. My (almost completely ignorant) feeling is the easiest way for a hobby farmer to do it would be to buy calves (either weaned or unweaned) and raise them up on grass and hay and sell them at auction to the guys on finishing blocks.
That way saves you having to deal with butchers and slaughter houses but also the younger animals are a lot easier on the land, or if sending stock straight to the slaughterhouse isn't to difficult then just keep them on.

I'm guessing land prices are too high to make it worth doing grass feed beef like this, if the OP is willing to move anywhere in the country then there might be somewhere that it will work.
 
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This. Lots of folks in the NE make money off small plots. It’s always oddball or heirloom type stuff. Hops are a big thing right now as the breweries are all over “local” stuff. Garlic is another. We have a place nearby that does tens of thousands in heirloom garlic every year.

Grapes (if you have a wine industry) are another. And hot peppers are big, especially stupid hot rare varieties.

Goat meat is in high demand and sells for crazy prices.

Niche stuff. That no one else is doing and is done really well, is profitable. Then again, where are you going to sell? Farmers markets are a joke. And good distributors make huge markups. So you need a local group of stores or restaurants to sell to farm-to-table. Or do your own ‘product’ like a niche pepper sauce or pickled garlic or something.

The downside… 30-40k in equipment for virtually anything you want to do, will probably be your baseline. And the labor is intensive. Not to mention the learning curve. So your startup out of pocket is not small. And expect 2-3 years before your learning curve delivers you salable crops.

Can it be done? You bet. But it is real work and a lifestyle… not just plant some stuff and profit in the fall.

Sirhr
What is the price per pound, on the hoof, for goats up there? I have prime, white oak acorn fed, pure Spanish goats listed at $2.50 per pound and no calls. I was really hoping that having the pure bred, right off the island goats (that I paid a shit ton of money for) would be a gateway to making a tiny bit of profit. is there a better way to market them? right now, I am just listing on craigslist. Maybe I need to list in the market bulletin.

thanks
 
My brother-in-law started out with 25 acres. Worked full time at a paper mill and poured every penny he could scrap together by working every spare second he had available growing cotton to bu more land. Today, he and his son’s own several thousand acres in corn, beans and cattle pastures. They are rick folks, but worked darned hard to get there.

Brenda and I had a small place. Trained horses and ran a few cows and occasional pig and garden on the side for personal use. Was loosing enough each month to afford a nice waterfront home on a lake. Guess where we are now.

Final word. If you want to make a small fortune in the horse business, start out with a large fortune.
 
For anyone worried about crappy land, all you need is cattle and some time. This is the difference regenerative agriculture has made on a South African farm. Left of the fence has been grazed with cattle, that’s pretty much it. Right is untouched

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You need more than just cattle. If you just put a bunch of cattle on whats on the left, it will end up looking like whats on the right. I would venture a guess, thats kind of how the land on the right ended up in the condition it is. ITs very similar country to where I live. IF I took that picture around here though, left would be native prairie with no cows, and right would be cow pasture.
 
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is there a better way to market them? right now, I am just listing on craigslist. Maybe I need to list in the market bulletin.
Want to sell your goats. Butcher them on late Friday, early Saturday and take the ready to cook goats into the parts of a town where people who know and appreciate goat meat live. There you can sell what you have produced. Can you make a profit, I have not seen anywhere, any place where a small producer can make a profit on hoofed farm animals.

As said, parts of the family have been in agriculture for the last 180 years. If there is a way to make money in agriculture, they have tried it. What they have found is….to make money, go large or apply for work at the paper mill. Otherwise, your small farm plot is just a money losing, non-tax write off hobby farm.
 
What is the price per pound, on the hoof, for goats up there? I have prime, white oak acorn fed, pure Spanish goats listed at $2.50 per pound and no calls. I was really hoping that having the pure bred, right off the island goats (that I paid a shit ton of money for) would be a gateway to making a tiny bit of profit. is there a better way to market them? right now, I am just listing on craigslist. Maybe I need to list in the market bulletin.

thanks
A couple of years ago up here it was at 18+’a pound and tenderloin and select cuts was twice that. Maybe has plunged… but Indoubt it. It is the darling of the “we want to be like those dreamy Somalis and eat goat” foodies.

Forget Craig’s list. No one takes that seriously any more. Go find the Halal restaurants, butchers and/or advertise in the mosques or Arab/horn of Africa communities around you. Make sure you have a place that does halal butchering.

I can Re-research from when I was looking at it a few years ago. But goat is a specialty. Americans bring home the food and recipes from countries we invade… along with the refugees. The same way Vietnamese and a Thai food took off in the ‘80s… middle Eastern is insanely popular both in restaurants and among foodies…. But refugee Communities want goat and mutton and lamb. So do the discerning high end foodies who want to be different.

But it has to be prepared right. Fyi, neighbor of mine got the state to pay for his “halal” butcher space. They threw Money at him because it would “make our Somali’s” more at home.

It did. They shoot and stab and rob and deal drugs just like they did at home. I’m waiting for them to start hijacking bass boats during the fishing derby.

Cheers, Sirhr

Ps. I love goat and have done a few “goat grabs” here at the farm. Spiced up, cavity filled with rice and veggies and put on the pig cooker for a few hours… a whole goat is amazing!
 
Goats....
When I was about 10, my Granddad got me interested in some roping. He had an old lariat and gave me a few pointers and let me at it. I roped a stump until I could get it every time. Then I tried roping my brothers. Not as easy but we had fun.
One day there were some goats in the yard that had escaped the pen. Here I go!!! I get out there and right off the bat, first try, I rope the Billy. Right at first he pulled against me and I started towing him to the pen. Then he decided that pulling against me wasn't working so he charged at me. That goat beat the crap out of me before I could get the rope off of him. I had bruises and cuts and scrapes all over my body, bloody nose, black eye, fat lip included. My brother was absolutely dying laughing and didn't try to help me at all.
Granddad got home from work and saw the goats out, got a feed bucket, put some feed in it and shook it. They came running and he walked to the pen, spread that feed out and closed the gate as he left the pen with all the goats in there eating.
He looked at me and asked who I had been fighting. I told him the story while my brother laughed and chimed in once in a while. Granddad couldn't keep it together and laughed, too.
Don't rope goats. Trust me on this one.
 
If you don’t have middle Easterners, find the Mexicans. They appreciate “cabrito” as well.

But, for some perspective, ground lamb is ~$8/lb and bone in rack of lamb is ~$28/lb at the local super market. No goat for sale…
 
Goats....
When I was about 10, my Granddad got me interested in some roping. He had an old lariat and gave me a few pointers and let me at it. I roped a stump until I could get it every time. Then I tried roping my brothers. Not as easy but we had fun.
One day there were some goats in the yard that had escaped the pen. Here I go!!! I get out there and right off the bat, first try, I rope the Billy. Right at first he pulled against me and I started towing him to the pen. Then he decided that pulling against me wasn't working so he charged at me. That goat beat the crap out of me before I could get the rope off of him. I had bruises and cuts and scrapes all over my body, bloody nose, black eye, fat lip included. My brother was absolutely dying laughing and didn't try to help me at all.
Granddad got home from work and saw the goats out, got a feed bucket, put some feed in it and shook it. They came running and he walked to the pen, spread that feed out and closed the gate as he left the pen with all the goats in there eating.
He looked at me and asked who I had been fighting. I told him the story while my brother laughed and chimed in once in a while. Granddad couldn't keep it together and laughed, too.
Don't rope goats. Trust me on this one.
You learned about a ‘goat rope’ the hard way…
 
Ps. I love goat and have done a few “goat grabs” here at the farm. Spiced up, cavity filled with rice and veggies and put on the pig cooker for a few hours… a whole goat is amazing!
Interesting. Sounds good (y)
What would you say it tastes most similar to?


We try to do a hog over a firepit at least once a year back on the pine plantation with all the hunting lease guys and their families. Can't get enough of it!


Barnes 62gr TTSX work excellently btw..
Slather em up in salt, pepper, garlic & onion powder, worcestershire, tomato paste, olive oil, beer, and hot sauce mixture for best results

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