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Out of respect in my area. When necessary, I will hand my driver's license, insurance, and my LTC to the officer.
I'm not saying your thoughts are wrong, but if it's NOT required in your area by law.....why do it?? Cause if you didn't need to pay taxes.....you know you WOULD NOT pay taxes.
Just remember some states REQUIRE you to inform regardless of being asked/or not by LEOs.
Last time I got pulled over my insurance card and registration was buried under 3 rifles. State Trooper said don't worry about proof of insurance. I believe didn't want to deal with the hassle of having to clear/secure everything, especially when its all on his computer.
People... dealing with law officers aint that hard... just be cool. I find more often than not, they will be cool with you.
Gotten me out of at least a half-dozen speeding tix over the years.
You are correct but I still will keep my mouth shut unless asked!
ReNickulous told me he’s leaving. I guess you won’t get to exercise the FuckOuttaHere Feline.
Texas now has permitless carry, AKA, "constitutional" carry. technically, I would not need my LTC anymore. But I just renewed it. To get it cost me some class time in law and tactics, a range test, and a fairly extensive background check. So, when I go to transfer a firearm at a local FFL, it takes less time.
At the time I got the LTC, it was advised to hand that to a police officer during a stop with your driver's license and insurance card. I see the drag queens in Roanoke had a "family friendly" drag show where men in women's clothing who like lots of butt sex danced erotically for the children. And their security was literally antifa soldiers carrying AR-15s in single point slings. Police were there and let them carry their arms as per rights. And did not card one of them.
I am still in the habit of carrying the card and concealing somewhat my pistol. IWB holsters never agreed with me. I have an OWB paddle holster and I wear a large fishing shirt over it and my regular t-shirt. Probably print at times but most people have never said anything or even noticed.
When I am hunting, I am wearing a backpack that rides where my pistol would normally sit. I carry my rifle across my arms or slung on a shoulder. And my pistol in a tactical thigh holster, so, obviously open carry. But when I leave, I switch back to my OWB paddle holster under a long coat.
@Ronws
For reference on TX:
Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display:
(1) both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license; and
(2) if the license holder's handgun license bears a protective order designation, a copy of the applicable court order under which the license holder is protected.
Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.
Amended by:
Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 1146 (H.B. 2730), Sec. 12A.02, eff. September 1, 2009.
Acts 2021, 87th Leg., R.S., Ch. 203 (H.B. 918), Sec. 4, eff. September 1, 2021.
Don't confuse when a person is carrying and just walking down the street to when an officer has requested your ID. Two different situations...
For reference on TX:
Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display:
(1) both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license; and
(2) if the license holder's handgun license bears a protective order designation, a copy of the applicable court order under which the license holder is protected.
Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.01(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.17(a), eff. Sept. 1, 1999.
Amended by:
Acts 2009, 81st Leg., R.S., Ch. 1146 (H.B. 2730), Sec. 12A.02, eff. September 1, 2009.
Acts 2021, 87th Leg., R.S., Ch. 203 (H.B. 918), Sec. 4, eff. September 1, 2021.
Don't confuse when a person is carrying and just walking down the street to when an officer has requested your ID. Two different situations...
Is that your tough guy voice?
The question was if you have a duty to inform when being detained by a police officer. The statute you state is different. If a police officer asks for an LTC, that is different, legally, than just offering that information outright. Even a student in law school could understand that.
Now, with constitutional carry and no need to have an LTC, the officer could ask for it and not get it because it does not exist for that person. Then what?
I never said to not tell a cop you are carrying. In fact, if you read my post more carefully instead of looking for a fight, you will see that my inclination and training is to present my LTC with my driver's license and insurance at a traffic stop.
Guess your sensitivity meter is dialed up a BIT to high. Calm down why don't you, instead of jumping into the hurt feeling pool.
Lol, been there done that. I hate when you pass a truck over a hundred and you see out of the corner of your eye Sheriff painted in ghost letters on side of truck.
Then you just kind of let off the gas with out breaking and start signaling over to the shoulder.
Its pretty amazing when your honest, you know why I pulled you over ? Yep. Hand her my CDL goes and runs it and comes back and hands it to me.
Tells me she was going to go after the Mustang in till you blew past me over a hundred, lol go figure.
Hands me my license back and tells me to slow down and have a good day.
Back in my younger days it did not go down like that. When your in your late 50’s honest and have a good driver CDL they tend to let you get away with a lot.
I think too when you have tinted windows and you roll all your windows down to make them feel comfortable on initial contact it tells them you know what’s up and set the conversation up on the right foot. I have been let go numerous times when I deserved otherwise.
Now I just pretty much drive the pace and don’t sweat it anymore. Well I should not say that, I sweat it a little on the bike.
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You took your free time to go sit in a class for however long, then more time for required range training, then went through a more thorough background check to (Save time) at an FFL?
How does that save time at an FFL? The FFL makes 1 phone call and its either proceed or not.
Not when the system is "down" or "backlogged"
Both of which happened recently at suspicious times
Having the carry licence among other things gives you a bit of protection from the Feds playing games for political reasons to shut down lawful commerce.
In addition, it means you don't have a record with the Feds of every time you went to buy a gun.
(Yes I fully understand the law says they have to purge the call records and not keep all the information, but anyone intelligent knows it's all being kept).
That was not the only reason and you know it. Or, I hope that you would know. My apologies if you don't know history and law and changes in law. Let me educate you.
When I got the LTC, we did not have constitutional carry. If you wanted to carry concealed or open, you needed to get it. Having the easier time at an FFL was a side-effect of it, not the main reason.
Also, I have seen people without an LTC (in the before times) have to wait longer for a driver license to scan and come back. Pure and simple fact. No, it is not the greatest hardship. Just a thing.
Wrong, yet again. But I am going to follow my mother's advice about negative side-effects of arguing. You go ahead and have the last word.
I live in Kansas, If you have a state issued carry permit, you fill out the 4473, and you are good to go.........the FFL does not need to call it in, so it does save time. I am sure Kansas is not the only state that does this.
No, I dont know all the details. And I havent kept up with any of that stuff. In Louisiana, we can carry without any license if we are a Veteran. I was simply asking about your claim that it saves time at an FFL. It seems you spent way more time with the other things you went through than to save an FFL a couple minutes of a phone call. Im not talking about any other details, im just talking about (time saved, vs time spent) in other areas of your license.
Virginia does not have a duty to inform. Virginia links your permit and vehicle registration. They know you gave a permit before they get out of the car. Some police get all paranoid about it, some could care less when they walk up to your door.
Actually, even if that was the only reason, I would probably still do it. But it was a side effect. Back in the 80's, I was armed for security work and needed a state commission to carry a firearm. So, that time, I took the training, test, and background check because it was part of the job. True, showing my commission card at an FFL went easier then, too. Again, a side-effect.
I am not sure what other things you think I am spending way more time on and why you think I was wasting time with the LTC class back when it was required. But I am done debating and teaching. Following my mom's advice about arguing....
Part of me thinks that even if it had not been required here at the time, it might have still been worth the time saving. I have more than one firearm. And yes, waiting is not the greatest hardship. Others who have been blessed to always have constitutional carry just don't understand and I am just a little too tired to argue anymore with people who want to argue or "be the expert." I will let them go ahead and beat the expert.
Reminds me of my step-grandfather's two-step definition of an expert.
The easiest way I could explain it is this...
You want to go grocery shopping.. You decide to go grocery shopping on Thursday. But in order to save time grocery shopping on Thursday, you go on Wednesday and buy everything except what you actually need. So Thursday rolls around and you go grocery shopping and buy the things you need and are glad you saved time on Thursday by doing shopping on Wednesday and Thursday.
Taking the course to help solidify your grasp of local firearm and defensive shooting laws cannot ever be regarded as a waste of time. Everything else is a perk.
True, and it does speed up the transfer process. A nice perk I did not expect and no one told me about until I went to buy a handgun 5 years ago. Last time I bought a handgun was in the 80's and it had been a while. So, when I went to get the handgun, it only cost me about 15 or 20 minutes while they ran my driver's license. It was a weekday in the middle of the day in Grand Prairie, Texas at Shoot Smart.
They asked if I had an LTC. At the time, I did not but I had signed up for the course. So, this was also the gun (Smith & Wesson M&P M 2.0 9 mm with the 4.25" barrel and the 17 rd mag, 2 extra mags and a carrier.) I took to the class and range test. And I appreciated getting the information given in the class. It was only 60 dollars but I think it was well spent. Anyway, so at the FFL, they did say once I got that LTC, the transfer goes quicker because they do not have a driver's license check. The significant background check I went through was more than adequate. Even though it would be tempting to get it just to save time, That is not why I did it. Just handy to have, after the fact.
Even today, with consititutional carry, you still have to scan your driver's license. Unless you have an LTC. So, I paid for my renewal (super cheap.)
Hahaha! I think it’s like two gay women buying dildoes, and one of them already has a bunch at home. Same thing, right?
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