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Black Collar AICS .223 & 300BLK mags

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About time someone offered 12+ round capacity. Wonder what OAL will look like. That’s really going to be the deciding factor for most I think.

They’re cheap enough… guess I’ll order a few.
 
Probably not going to be super popular amongst this crowd… but they have responsive CS.

Regarding OAL:

“We haven't tested to the extremes by hand loading ammo extra long beyond any factory load, but you have just a teeny hair under 2.25" of room in there and given the follower design and such I would expect that to feed. While it's a short action magazine and it could easily have like 2.9" of space in there, it has to fit the rounds well enough that they don't slide all over the place under recoil and whatnot. So we have to balance fitting factory ammo correctly with leaving extra room for maniacs handloading weird stuff.”
 
Probably not going to be super popular amongst this crowd… but they have responsive CS.

Regarding OAL:

“We haven't tested to the extremes by hand loading ammo extra long beyond any factory load, but you have just a teeny hair under 2.25" of room in there and given the follower design and such I would expect that to feed. While it's a short action magazine and it could easily have like 2.9" of space in there, it has to fit the rounds well enough that they don't slide all over the place under recoil and whatnot. So we have to balance fitting factory ammo correctly with leaving extra room for maniacs handloading weird stuff.”
The new Magpul PMag 10 556 AC .223/.300 BLK AICS mags let you load to 2.390” COAL.

The steel MDT DSSF AICS .223/.300 BLK mags let you load to 2.500” COAL.

Just a little FYI for those interested.
 
The new Magpul PMag 10 556 AC .223/.300 BLK AICS mags let you load to 2.390” COAL.

The steel MDT DSSF AICS .223/.300 BLK mags let you load to 2.500” COAL.

Just a little FYI for those interested.

So you trade case capacity for mag capacity, should be a good choice for those shooting the 300 BLK and .350 Legend.
 
So you trade case capacity for mag capacity, should be a good choice for those shooting the 300 BLK and .350 Legend.
For a bolt-action you don’t need a 30-rounder. For the .300 BLK or .350 Legend, it will be the ticket. I ordered 2 of the Magpul ones for my Magpul Hunter stock coming in for my Ruger Ranch .300 BLK since my max COAL is about 2.35” for my Berger 210 precision subsonics. Should be here tomorrow, will report my findings. 👍🏼
 
For a bolt-action you don’t need a 30-rounder. For the .300 BLK or .350 Legend, it will be the ticket. I ordered 2 of the Magpul ones for my Magpul Hunter stock coming in for my Ruger Ranch .300 BLK since my max COAL is about 2.35” for my Berger 210 precision subsonics. Should be here tomorrow, will report my findings. 👍🏼

What kind of accuracy are you getting out of the subs? My only 300 BLK is an AR so it overgasses my Nomad L but I’m soon going to have a Nucleus to build on and am considering some flavor of pistol or SBR. The question is do I go 7” 5 twist 300 BLK or 12” .308 / .300 WSM.
 
What kind of accuracy are you getting out of the subs? My only 300 BLK is an AR so it overgasses my Nomad L but I’m soon going to have a Nucleus to build on and am considering some flavor of pistol or SBR. The question is do I go 7” 5 twist 300 BLK or 12” .308 / .300 WSM.
I have several AR’s in .300 BLK, but the one I was referring to is my new Ruger American Ranch 16” .300 BLK. It has a 1:7 twist. So far, preliminary testing showed about 2-2.5” groups, but once I can load longer than an AR mag, I should be able to shrink those.

I would go 10.5” 5-twist for subs only. 👍🏼
 
Probably not going to be super popular amongst this crowd… but they have responsive CS.

Regarding OAL:

“We haven't tested to the extremes by hand loading ammo extra long beyond any factory load, but you have just a teeny hair under 2.25" of room in there and given the follower design and such I would expect that to feed. While it's a short action magazine and it could easily have like 2.9" of space in there, it has to fit the rounds well enough that they don't slide all over the place under recoil and whatnot. So we have to balance fitting factory ammo correctly with leaving extra room for maniacs handloading weird stuff.”

Big mistake on their part.
 
More correspondence:

“…there's plenty of material at the front and the rear to increase the space for the cartridges. However, given that they're solid walls both front and rear and the magazine has a curve to it, it'll be a little tricky to get in there and evenly remove material to make more space. If I were doing it I'd probably use a die grinder with an oval shaped carbide on a 6" shaft. Additionally, the follower will end up being too short and I have no idea if that will cause reliability problems due to it tipping, so what I'd try to do would be, as much as is possible, make a meplat-shaped groove in the front wall instead of removing the front wall and trying to leave a flat surface on either side of that groove for the follower to index on and then only removing material in the middle for the noses of the bullet to fit into. It's a double-stack mag, so I'm not really sure this would be possible but that would be the goal.

We ARE having these production-quality 3D printed by a major operation. That means it's pretty darn straightforward for us to have our engineer open up that inside length and scale the follower to match. To make like 10 of these mags the per unit cost would go up, because we'd be looking at maybe an hour of our engineer's time (potentially less as I don't foresee any real difficulty) plus a low-volume run on the commercial laser 3D printing machine. Might end up being like $95 a pop instead of $50, but it's something we can do if you're serious about needing some :). In theory we'd do this and offer it as a separate product if there were demand.”

Essentially sounds like there’s some space to
decrease wall thickness and thus increase internal length. Basically just thinning out the walls and increasing the length of the follower to properly fit.

If guys are serious about having some made, let me know and I’ll put together a list/rough number for them to work up a cost.
 
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If they are 2.55" now then that's large enough for most except maybe those using 88/90 grn bullets in the .223.
 
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If they are 2.55" now then that's large enough for most except maybe those using 88/90 grn bullets in the .223.
Agreed, but maybe not so much with guys leaning towards longer freebores anymore. But you’re probably right, I guess 2.55” is a good starting point and if they’re working out, we can always ask them down the road to make longer internal lengths.
 
Agreed, but maybe not so much with guys leaning towards longer freebores anymore. But you’re probably right, I guess 2.55” is a good starting point and if they’re working out, we can always ask them down the road to make longer internal lengths.
I know I and a few others that would be very interested in some longer internal length mags. I wonder what their maximum length would be without weakening it and/or making it unreliable.
 
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