PISTOL BRACE

NoDopes said:

So, 4 dinners (SC lawyer) said there is explicitly a federal law that they can't prosecute someone for something illegal once they submitted a form 1 or 4 application and there is prior cases confirming this.

He didn't say however, in assuming if the application is rejected you probably have to make it legal or destroy it..

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Doc68 said:

So you are sending in pics of SBR, fingerprints, photos of yourself and your address of an illegal firearm. When in the history have you been able to possess an NFA item without the stamp.

That's entrapment.....and people are falling for it.

Good luck with all that. I'm sure it will end well for everyone.

Doc

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tucaz said:

THIS QUESTION;
To all of the asshats saying "pIsToL bRaCeS aRe a wOrKaRoUnD foR aN sBr." Fuck you, the NFA and the ATF in its entirety are work arounds for your basic human rights that the COTUS says the government has no business interfering in. I've been browsing this thread and seen it no less than 3 times. Wasn't aware of all the fuddery on the hide.

its a workaround because it creates an SBR without registration. your question has nothing to do with how things are now, regarding the registry. anyone that can't see that is being obtuse.

i never said its right, they allowed them and now dont...well thats the atf for you. we all know how they operate so either comply or resist.

you said you have stamps, then why are bitching so hard? you are all ready allowing yourself to be a subject. if you practice what you preach then you should not fall into to their game of registration. be the bass ass outlaw that you think you are ffs.

just because some of us see braces for what they are, doesnt make anyone a fudd or glowie. the rest of your are just boomers yelling at clouds.

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rustyinbend said:

I'm betting it will end just like it did for my 7 suppressors and 1 current SBR ... I'll get a piece of paper that says it's legal to own it and shoot it. The ATF already has multiple copies of my prints and info for existing NFA registrations. I've got nothing to hide at this point. I think it's more likely the "I will NOT comply" crowd should be more worried than me ... but I guess we'll find out sooner or later.

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wade2big said:

Read your state firearm laws to start. Plenty of “you can’t have that or else we will have our thugs imprison or kill you.”

I would argue all laws are unconstitutional at this point. The constitution clearly lays out how a president is elected which was ignored resulting in an unconstitutional president that can’t “legally” do a damn thing yet does including giving orders to the military they “illegally” follow.

Most of us understand that many of the federal legislatures weren’t constitutionally elected either yet they, along with the fake president, installed many federal judges and one justice and continue to legislate this country away. It also clearly lays out how the federal gov’t has a duty to defend the border and the states from invasion. Instead this one along with the southern state gov’ts are actually supporting and funding the invasion in clear violation of the constitution.

All 50 states gov’ts pretend this isn’t and hasn’t happened and continue to work with and assist these insurgents at the federal level. Why? The police at the state and local level continue to work with and assist the private and secret police (using your description) of these criminals that unconditionally run this country and who use laws, the court system, and corporate america to terrorize those that oppose them.

The constitution is long dead. It’s a relic of the past and in my opinion was nothing more than state propaganda to begin with. The words on it did nothing more than enslave the men and decedents of that fought and died to get out from under rule by one and foolishly and willingly right under rule by many.

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Missouri Gun Control Laws - FindLaw

Chart providing details of Missouri Gun Control Laws. Learn about concealed carry, open carry, and which guns are illegal in Missouri

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Fig said:

Missouri Gun Control Laws - FindLaw

Chart providing details of Missouri Gun Control Laws. Learn about concealed carry, open carry, and which guns are illegal in Missouri

www.findlaw.com

You are right. Just because we have one of the better state law schemes doesn't mean it isn't full of illegal laws from yesteryear passed when Democrats were more in control. I am friends with the Governor, Lt. Governor, and the Speaker of the House. I will talk to them about clearing off some of that old bullshit. We hold supermajorities, and we ought to do it.

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rustyinbend said:

They absolutely have the authority to waive this fee. They call it a "Tax Stamp" historically, but it's really just a registration fee, and any government authority has the ability to assess or waive fees at will. I guess we shall see if you're correct, but it's hard to imagine.

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Fig said:

That I'm not going to ask 'cuz...reality.

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rustyinbend said:

About a year ago, I wanted to put a compact stock (not a brace) and a vertical foregrip on my SIG MPX, so I spent the $200 and SBR'd it. I had three more items with pistol braces and short barrels (LWRCI SMG45, 300-BLK Pistol, 5.56 Pistol) where I wanted to do the same thing and lose the brace and be able to modify them into SBR form-factors ... but I didn't want to spend $600 just on tax stamps. I get why everyone is pissed, but for me and what I wanted to do, this is a $600 "gift" to me from the ATF. I've already done the eForms and submitted. Don't hate me for getting free SBR upgrades, as that's exactly what I want. Those that choose to fight this ... I'm on your side, more power to you, and I hope you win. What we really need is to throw out the whole NFA and start over with only automatic weapons regulated (IMHO). Regulating suppressors is especially stupid !!!

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rustyinbend said:

Did you read the rule? I did ... the whole thing. It clearly waives to tax stamp fee for submission in the 120-day period. Not sure which rule you were reading.

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Doc68 said:

So you are sending in pics of SBR, fingerprints, photos of yourself and your address of an illegal firearm. When in the history have you been able to possess an NFA item without the stamp.

That's entrapment.....and people are falling for it.

Good luck with all that. I'm sure it will end well for everyone.

Doc

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BigTex said:

I guess it comes down to those who choose to die with their boots on rather than be executed whimpering on their knees. (All figuratively of course) The feds are not your friends.

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rustyinbend said:

I'm betting it will end just like it did for my 7 suppressors and 1 current SBR ... I'll get a piece of paper that says it's legal to own it and shoot it. The ATF already has multiple copies of my prints and info for existing NFA registrations. I've got nothing to hide at this point. I think it's more likely the "I will NOT comply" crowd should be more worried than me ... but I guess we'll find out sooner or later.

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rustyinbend said:

Of all the 182 things to hate in this new rule ... I would have listed "Fear of Tax Stamp Waiver Revocation" somewhere near the bottom of the list. Maybe I'm wrong.

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earthtrekker1775 said:

Henceforth, let it be known this should be the standing response to any bitching on the internet about rights being eroded. We have had AJ and "Buy More Ammo" for years because he and others knew the slippery slope we were traversing. We have had "Molon Labe" for a few thousand years while conveniently forgetting the work and the sacrifice that those words promised and delivered...

Now, we are at a point in our history where any real disobedience to our captors will be followed by a narrative of lies broadcast 24/7 by state media to discredit your character and you will be cut off from your ability to work, access your money, travel, etc. you will be made a pariah and then a scapegoat so as to keep you from becoming a martyr when they finally kick in your door for yet another state sponsored execution.

Any true stand against them will likely end in your demise. Every one of us must choose for himself to live and die a free man as God created and in service to preserving liberty for our children and grandchildren or live the half-life of the cowed and enslaved. To speak truth with courage or keep our eyes to the ground and parrot back the twisted and perverse "reality" they want to sell us.

Whether you fight or roll on your back for them never for a moment forget that they are coming for you either way. They would prefer you to be broken, depressed, hopeless and passive when they finally roll into to town with cattle cars for the deplorable remnant. For any man, woman, child that chooses instead to stand and be counted...

GYFL. And may God be with us.

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Doc68 said:

And ask yourself after 10years of being legal, now why are they not and needing to be registered.......

Lists.....that people willingly create.

But what do lists do.......

Confiscation.......

And what happens if they decide to deny your form 1. Then you will have to destroy it or turn it in. Gun confiscation through back door ways......

But we will have to wait and see what actually happens......

Doc

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BigTex said:

I guess it comes down to those who choose to die with their boots on rather than be executed whimpering on their knees. (All figuratively of course) The feds are not your friends.

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W54/XM-388 said:

Ask all the folks with the F1 suppressors how quickly your stamp and money can be shredded by the ATF on a whim...

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rustyinbend said:

Sorry ... I have no idea what you're referring to. I have 7 Form-1 registered suppressors ... nobody has ever shredded my tax stamp "on a whim".

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wade2big said:

What I allude to is reality but I agree nothing will be done or even acknowledged by those inside government. It’s also not lost on me that your “friends” are part of what’s wrong. They are part of the criminal ruling class that preys on the tax slave using threats at the hands of the police to keep people in line. Only people who believe in fairytales believe in the systems in place and that they have a voice that anyone in power listens. Vote harder!

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Governor Parson Signs HB 85 Establishing Second Amendment Preservation Act | Governor Michael L. Parson

Today, Governor Mike Parson signed HB 85 into law, establishing the Second Amendment Preservation Act in Missouri.

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W54/XM-388 said:

Do a bit of research and you'll understand what I'm talking about, there is plenty of videos on YouTube and plenty of threads even here on SH about it.

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• shredded tax stamp
• invalidated tax stamp
• ignored form 1
• revoked tax stamp
• revoked form 1 approval
• confiscated suppressor

rustyinbend said:

I like to think there's a middle ground between "death" and "kneeling" ... it might look something like "following the law" in a way that allows me to legally keep my firearms ... but that's just me. I try to avoid all the drama, and just figure out what's best for me and my family.

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rustyinbend said:

Searched ...

• shredded tax stamp
• invalidated tax stamp
• ignored form 1
• revoked tax stamp
• revoked form 1 approval
• confiscated suppressor

... and none of them show anything about revoking an approved Form-1 and confiscating the NFA item "on a whim" ... or for any other reason.

The only stuff that I could find on YouTube refers to confiscation of home-made (solvent trap) suppressors, but noting about invalidating an approved Form-1.

Please guide me to an article here on the Hide that describes that happening, or a YouTube video from a reliable source. Thanks!

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W54/XM-388 said:

A form 1 suppressor is by it's very nature "home-made" That's the whole point of F1
(Just to make sure you aren't confusing Form 4 suppressors).

Anybody that has been paying attention knows what has been going on with those over the past year and a half.

For a long time, you could essentially buy what was essentially an 80% suppressor kit, file your F1 and then on approval, engrave the tube and finish milling it into a functional suppressor.

The ATF was fully aware of it and was actually working with some of the bigger kit sellers to make sure all was on the up and up.

Then one day the ATF decided thanks to political pressure (and too much popularity / youtube videos) that all those 80% kits were actually illegally manufactured suppressors and you had to make your suppressor yourself from essentially bar stock or common pipes only.

Then they proceeded to contact quite a number of folks that had purchased them and filed a F1, paid the tax stamp, gotten approval and were happily using said devices and said, sorry but turn them in or else. We don't care we gave you a stamp, we consider it was illegally made before you got it so you can't register something illegal already, bye bye to your item and tough luck about that money for the tax stamp.

If you still want to argue that it didn't happen, knock yourself out.

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armorpl8chikn said:

You sound vaccinated.

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rustyinbend said:

Boosted too ...

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GrantB said:

Wow! I’m blown away at how disorganized and easily manipulated they are, heck, we can put anything in front of them and lead them in any direction we want.

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GrantB said:

Yea we know this rule is going nowhere but man it’s fun to see the infighting and resources devoted to this.

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Longshot231 said:

Anyone own a foreign made braced pistol? You only have two choices now. Surrender to ATF or destroy it.

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J. W. said:

Anyone can write confusing rules.

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GrantB said:

2 atf guys talking while looking at the supposedly 2a people chatting on sh and arfcom.

Hay bob come and look at these guys discussing our new rule on braces.

Wow! I’m blown away at how disorganized and easily manipulated they are, heck, we can put anything in front of them and lead them in any direction we want.

Yea we know this rule is going nowhere but man it’s fun to see the infighting and resources devoted to this.

Yea and it looks good for the big guy and his cronies ahh I meant comrades ahh! You know what I mean and, it gives our friends in big tech and the media something to talk about. They will cause that much more confusion that we will use to manipulate them.

Yea, keep them on the defensive and reacting to what we want them reacting to. It’s almost as good as watching a cat chase a laser pointer, and just about as productive.

You know the first couple pages were interesting, they were actually discussing facts but it went down hill pretty fast. Well at least we know their mind set and how they supposedly play the game from there point of view.

Hay bob! Whats up next on the agenda for them?

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rustyinbend said:

Boosted too ...

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tucaz said:

have you ever filled out a 4473?

do you have nfa stamps?

if you answer yes to either, you are on a list and they know where to find you. i've been contacted by atf, by cell phone none the less, for a 4473 i filled out in 1991.

as for the brace garbage, do you recall the street sweeper fiasco? first they were ok, then they were not. the atf is like a menopausal woman.

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Doc68 said:

But why give them more ammo to use..... especially voluntary......

Go keep kissing the boots....

Doc

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tucaz said:

do you have nfa tax stamps or ever filled out a 4473 doc? if so, you are kissing boots too.

as for the brace thing, IF i had one i sure would be waiting this out. it seems like a honeypot or just more atf stupidity. either way, fuck them.

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LawnMM said:

I heard there's a bunch of pussies on the Internet that worry more about what some stupid agency puts on a FAQ regarding their freedom and what they're allowed to do than just living their fuckin lives like God intended.

Not yet verified I've written a letter to the ATF to see if this is true

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NoDopes said:

I've also heard that a bunch of concerned citizens over the 2020 stolen election that expressed their concerns in or legally near the capital building are now rotting away in a political prison while be illegally mistreated and abused. No longer just living their fucking lives as our founding fathers intended.

I may or may not believe these wild stories I heard on the internet.

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FBI raids retired San Marcos couple’s home

Federal agents raided the home of a retired San Marcos couple in connection with the violent protest at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

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Lora DeWolfe and Darrel Kennemer were startled when FBI agents, during the pre-dawn hours on June 22, broke through their gate leading up to their home which sits on seven acres in rural Hays County.
DeWolfe said she thought it may have been a deer that tripped the alarm on the gate as she arose to check. What she saw was a white unmarked vehicle speeding up to their house with headlights on, but no flashing lights — and no sirens sounding.
“I told Darrel — it’s not a deer,” DeWolfe said.
Kennemer, concerned, sprung out of bed, grabbed his AR-15 and stepped onto the porch wearing only his briefs.
The couple watched as several other vehicles, estimated between 20-30, poured onto the property, including one armored vehicle with a battering ram.
FBI agents demanded Kennemer “drop his rifle” as they exited the approaching vehicle. Kennemer responded asking if officials had a warrant, and to show him.
Agents instead began tossing a series of flashbang grenades at the 67-year-old after which Kennemer realized a group of targeting lasers on him that forced him to lay down his weapon.

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Kennemer said it wasn’t only members of the FBI present, but ATF and SWAT, too.

“All present I would say upwards of 100 agents, at an astronomical cost to the taxpayer, were on site,” Kennemer said. “The warrant wasn’t even a ‘no knock’ warrant. It could have been served with a simple knock on our door during daylight hours.”

During this time, a plane was circling the property as well as drones, according to DeWolfe.

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The couple said they immediately contacted the Hays County Sheriff’s Department about everything that happened. They also wanted to file an incident report on the damage that was caused at their property. However, they were met with disappointment when they said sheriff department officials did not meet with them.

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wade2big said:

And not one state governor, county sheriff, city mayor, or city police chief has done a damn thing to stop the 6:00am raids on innocent people. I would bet everything I have that everyone I mentioned knew beforehand and didn’t give a fuck. One day you guys will understand why I am so critical of the men and women who serve this corrupt and murderous gov’t to the detriment of those of us who are abused by it.

Here is an example near me of federal terrorists allowed to attack innocent people. If men were to fight back against these criminal agencies, do not think for a second that the local badged men would come to aide the righteous but instead would fight for the criminal state. We all know it. Read this shit below from a local paper and tell me that the local, county, and state governments weren’t in on it as well as the tyrant Greg Abbott.

FBI raids retired San Marcos couple’s home

Federal agents raided the home of a retired San Marcos couple in connection with the violent protest at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

www.sanmarcosrecord.com

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