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I saw the ATF is waiving the tax stamp for anybody who wishes to file a Form 1 for an SBR who previously had a brace. It states they can only be filed under a trust if the rifle was owned by the trust prior to the date the Final Rule is published in the Federal Register.

Any idea on the timeline for this?
There isn't clarity on this. The reason that this is an issue is that legal entities can be created and managed according to state or local laws that allow for the amending of trust property without notarized changes.

BAFTE has indicated they will require evidence the firearm was added to trust property prior to the date of publication, which hasn't happened yet. SO, if you have trust and want to move forward add it now and get a notary to sign ASAP as you may have a window of oppertunity.

The issue is the rule does not have the force of law until after it has been published in the Federal Register. To back date the enforcement of trust property conflicts with the conflicting statement that the Rule is effective the date of publication.

It is likely that they will otherwise make people file a Form 1 initially and then a Form 4 with a $200 charge and wait.
 
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Show me where it says you can’t regulate firearms.

Keep and bear arms... as far as I’m aware there’s zero mention of regulation.
I believe it is a "God Given Right".
So if he gave it to me only he can take away.
"Shall not be infringed" comes to mind too.

Do you really think it was necessary for our forefathers to spell out everything your government "can't do"?

You, my friend are what's wrong with America and a fuckin moron to boot.
 
@barnesm44 William Kirk's interpretation is that everyone who wants to use a trust has to Form 1 and then Form 4. My issue with that is IF the ATF is saying these are already SBRs, how is it then these guns cannot be transferred into a trust under the amnesty and just use a form 1? It is confusing af.
 
@barnesm44 William Kirk's interpretation is that everyone who wants to use a trust has to Form 1 and then Form 4. My issue with that is IF the ATF is saying these are already SBRs, how is it then these guns cannot be transferred into a trust under the amnesty and just use a form 1? It is confusing af.


Not a lawyer or LEO, so I’m just guessing here, but requiring the “amnesty registrations” be done by individuals establishes a specific person who possess the unregistered SBR, requires that person to admit guilt & provide evidence as a condition of registration, and provides a specific point of contact (address to search) should ATF decide to pursue enforcement of some sort.

If say the registrant ends up denied.
 
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Not a lawyer or LEO, so I’m just guessing here, but requiring the “amnesty registrations” be done by individuals establishes a specific person who possess the unregistered SBR, requires that person to admit guilt & provide evidence as a condition of registration, and provides a specific point of contact (address to search) should ATF decide to pursue enforcement of some sort.

If say the registrant ends up denied or admits to residing in a state that prohibits SBRs.
Why would the ATF have a callout section in the final draft rule document for trusts with a specific date then? I can see this being another fuck up legal issue they didnt contemplate.
 
Why would the ATF have a callout section in the final draft rule document for trusts with a specific date then? I can see this being another fuck up legal issue they didnt contemplate.

Could be, like I said it was just a guess.

At the rule’s announcement the document simultaneously stated the trust cutoff as the same day the rule was announced and as the date of publication in the federal register, which as of today hasn’t happened yet. I believe they’ve since removed the former.

But then if they’re ok with the use of a trust, why specify a date at all?
 
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@barnesm44 William Kirk's interpretation is that everyone who wants to use a trust has to Form 1 and then Form 4. My issue with that is IF the ATF is saying these are already SBRs, how is it then these guns cannot be transferred into a trust under the amnesty and just use a form 1? It is confusing af.

Non -NFA firearms can always be moved into your trust. You can move them into your trust alongside any other property.
 
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Non -NFA firearms can always be moved into your trust. you can move them into your trust alongside any other property.
Kirk was saying it can be in the trust but it doesnt really count if it is a title 2 firearm because you can't transfer possession of a non nfa firearm into a trust because Form 4473 doesnt allow for it. 🤷‍♂️
 
Also, don't know if yall have seen the FRAC post but it looks like BAFTE has buried in the new rule that they are also mandating all imported pistols with braces to be destroyed or turned into BAFTE.

My question there is what about all the previous foreign made pistols that were sbr'd are all of those also now magically illegal even though they already approved those form 1s?

 
Also, don't know if yall have seen the FRAC post but it looks like BAFTE has buried in the new rule that they are also mandating all imported pistols with braces to be destroyed or turned into BAFTE.

My question there is what about all the previous foreign made pistols that were sbr'd are all of those also now magically illegal even though they already approved those form 1s?



Not if they were made 922r complaint when being converted into a rifle, something I think they've always just assumed the maker was going to do.

The 922r thing is interesting because it's really only been enforced at the import/manufacturing level. I can't think of an instance where ATF has prosecuted a person for a firearm that violated 922r.

I think ATF is assuming these will be noncompliant because they know it's a "gotcha." If no one realized the thing was an SBR there was no reason to take steps to make it comply with 922r. I also think that from administration's point of view this is probably a feature and not a bug in the rule.
 
Not if they were made 922r complaint when being converted into a rifle, something I think they've always just assumed the maker was going to do.

The 922r thing is interesting because it's really only been enforced at the import/manufacturing level. I can't think of an instance where ATF has prosecuted a person for a firearm that violated 922r.

I think ATF is assuming these will be noncompliant because they know it's a "gotcha." If no one realized the thing was an SBR there was no reason to take steps to make it comply with 922r. I also think that from administration's point of view this is probably a feature and not a bug in the rule.
The language on pages 247 reads:
"The criminal violation under 18 U.S.C. 922(r) is for the assembly of the semi-automatic rifle; therefore, modification of this kind of firearm through the removal of relevant parts would not cure the 922(r) violation because the "assembly has already occured"."

Maybe I'm reading that wrong, maybe FRAC is. I doubt it. I would think there would need to be compliance with this prior to distribution in the U.S. but who knows if they can unilaterally change definitions and make people felons overnight. The implication is that the manufacturer or importer of record illegally created SBRs so no parts changes make them legal.
 
Maybe I'm reading that wrong, maybe FRAC is. I doubt it. I would think there would need to be compliance with this prior to distribution in the U.S. but who knows if they can unilaterally change definitions and make people felons overnight. The implication is that the manufacturer or importer of record illegally created SBRs so no parts changes make them legal.
But that's hogwash on their part because the braces the manufacturer or importer added were legal pistol fare at that time regardless of what the crown says about them after they publish this "rule". Also, I'm not convinced it will be published, at least in present form.
 
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The language on pages 247 reads:
"The criminal violation under 18 U.S.C. 922(r) is for the assembly of the semi-automatic rifle; therefore, modification of this kind of firearm through the removal of relevant parts would not cure the 922(r) violation because the "assembly has already occured"."

Maybe I'm reading that wrong, maybe FRAC is. I doubt it. I would think there would need to be compliance with this prior to distribution in the U.S. but who knows if they can unilaterally change definitions and make people felons overnight. The implication is that the manufacturer or importer of record illegally created SBRs so no parts changes make them legal.

If you or I change enough parts on an imported pistol prior to installing a stock, there is no 922r violation. Whether it’s a 16” Bren being converted to a non-NFA rifle, or an MP5 clone being made into an SBR.

But the 922r stuff has to be done before the thing becomes a rifle.

The passage you quoted is saying that by installing a brace, a pistol has already been made into a rifle, and so cannot be retroactively made to comply with 922r by changing other parts after the fact.

And many (most) foreign made pistols sold with braces by importers and distributors will fit this circumstance.
 
But that's hogwash on their part because the braces the manufacturer or importer added were legal pistol fare at that time regardless of what the crown says about them after they publish this "rule". Also, I'm not convinced it will be published, at least in present form.
I dont disagree. I'm just pointing out how bad it could get. In my view, if this part gets enforced a lot of importers like Century or KVAR could be held liable as well. So for FRAC members there is a lot at stake if this gets through the courts.
 
If you or I change enough parts on an imported pistol prior to installing a stock, there is no 922r violation. Whether it’s a 16” Bren being converted to a non-NFA rifle, or an MP5 clone being made into an SBR.

But the 922r stuff has to be done before the thing becomes a rifle.

The passage you quoted is saying that by installing a brace, a pistol has already been made into a rifle, and so cannot be retroactively made to comply with 922r by changing other parts after the fact.

And many (most) foreign made pistols sold with braces by importers and distributors will fit this circumstance.
No, the conclusion FRAC has made is that because it is imported, then 'manufactured' and sold as an unregistered SBR it cannot ever be made 922 compliant. The timing of when a worker actually puts on a brace is irrelevant in that interpretation and thats the point.
 
No, the conclusion FRAC has made is that because it is imported, then 'manufactured' and sold as an unregistered SBR it cannot ever be made 922 compliant. The timing of when a worker actually puts on a brace is irrelevant in that interpretation and thats the point.

I think we're really saying the same thing. ATF is saying that once it's in violation of 922r that's it, no turning back, no way to make it legal.
 
I dont disagree. I'm just pointing out how bad it could get. In my view, if this part gets enforced a lot of importers like Century or KVAR could be held liable as well. So for FRAC members there is a lot at stake if this gets through the courts.

Yeah, agreed.
 
I think we're really saying the same thing. ATF is saying that once it's in violation of 922r that's it, no turning back, no way to make it legal.
I'm basically suggesting what they buried deep in this 200+ page "rule" is potentially a back door way to force a whole lot of people to turn over their imported pistol because the ATF aren't to be trusted and this whole thing is fuckery. I'm not giving them deference for being reasonable about how they should be interpretting 922(r).
 
I'm basically suggesting what they buried deep in this 200+ page "rule" is potentially a back door way to force a whole lot of people to turn over their imported pistol because the ATF aren't to be trusted and this whole thing is fuckery. I'm not giving them deference for being reasonable about how they should be interpretting 922(r).

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It may also be a way of going after any FFL currently holding them on their books.
 
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I don't see that this has been published in the Federal Register, yet. Which seems incredibly odd that they announced this 'final rule' on January 13 (11 days ago) and it hasn't been published. For those more knowledgeable than me, is this timeline out of the ordinary or pretty typical? I thought his would have hit the Federal Register on January 17th...
 
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I don't see that this has been published in the Federal Register, yet. Which seems incredibly odd that they announced this 'final rule' on January 13 (11 days ago) and it hasn't been published. For those more knowledgeable than me, is this timeline out of the ordinary or pretty typical? I thought his would have hit the Federal Register on January 17th...
Ok, this may sound silly, but I wonder if they even intend to publish it. This may just be a way for them to get an estimate on how many are out there, with the bonus of getting some folks who weren’t already on the NFA registry to register. They have to know this is going to get slapped down as soon as it goes to court.
 
Right to Bear arms

Ask your self this. Are you okay with any one, with no regulation having the ability to possess a Nuclear warhead? Like Billy the town meth cook having canned sunshine?
This common argument is a flawed argument. The danger of using the extreme exception to invalidate the rule is that nearly EVERYTHING can be invalidated by some exception.

Consider the following:

Because hate speech is hateful, clearly free speech can't be allowed and must be regulated. Are you ok with people calling blacks the N-word?

Because some religions are extreme, such as The Peoples Temple in Jonestown, clearly freedom of religion can't be allowed. Therefore religion should be regulated by the government. Do you support people committing mass suicide in religious services?

The right to assembly should be regulated. Because if we don't, Nazi sympathizers might assemble. Can't have that. Do you support the right of Neo-Nazi's to have political rallies?

And all that's just the first amendment. The word "regulated" in that time period did not mean restricted by laws, and you know it. The intent of the framers was that the people should have the ability and tools to form an army and depose tyranny if necessary. This means having access to wayyyy more weaponry than law currently allows. SBR's are childs play compared to what a "well regulated milita" of citizens should have.

In regards to nuclear weapons, the truth is that weapons too dangerous for individuals to wield are too dangerous for governments to posses as well. Because in the end, all weapons are wielded by individuals. The fact that we've already crossed that rubicon is NOT logical justification for the restriction of 2A. See it for what it is, a very regrettable exception.
 
Kirk was saying it can be in the trust but it doesnt really count if it is a title 2 firearm because you can't transfer possession of a non nfa firearm into a trust because Form 4473 doesnt allow for it. 🤷‍♂️

This would only apply to states like Washington, where Kirk is practicing law, that require a 4473 to be filled out for *all* transfers. In free(er) states where this isn't a requirement, you can in fact put non NFA firearms into a trust just as easily as sell your gun to your neighbor without any background check.

This is not legal advice, and you should always consult your *own* attorney. =)
 
This common argument is a flawed argument. The danger of using the extreme exception to invalidate the rule is that nearly EVERYTHING can be invalidated by some exception.

Consider the following:

Because hate speech is hateful, clearly free speech can't be allowed and must be regulated. Are you ok with people calling blacks the N-word?

Because some religions are extreme, such as The Peoples Temple in Jonestown, clearly freedom of religion can't be allowed. Therefore religion should be regulated by the government. Do you support people committing mass suicide in religious services?

The right to assembly should be regulated. Because if we don't, Nazi sympathizers might assemble. Can't have that. Do you support the right of Neo-Nazi's to have political rallies?

And all that's just the first amendment. The word "regulated" in that time period did not mean restricted by laws, and you know it. The intent of the framers was that the people should have the ability and tools to form an army and depose tyranny if necessary. This means having access to wayyyy more weaponry than law currently allows. SBR's are childs play compared to what a "well regulated milita" of citizens should have.

In regards to nuclear weapons, the truth is that weapons too dangerous for individuals to wield are too dangerous for governments to posses as well. Because in the end, all weapons are wielded by individuals. The fact that we've already crossed that rubicon is NOT logical justification for the restriction of 2A. See it for what it is, a very regrettable exception.
Very well stated and if I may add to it:

Your naive to think that any person with enough resources(funding) doesn't already own what he wants to. A nuke would costs millions to obtain and hundreds of thousands to maintain. Billy the methhead is not cooking one up in his basement. That is so stupid no rational person could seriously use that argument. Billy might make a bomb or some such but we know people can do that legal or not.

So your so fearful of your fellow American being armed with what he will you want him restricted but as soon as that same American puts on a uniform you want him to have all authority and power? What is different about the uniformed man and me? There is a serious disconnect in your logic Juan.
 
I don't know if this was posted yet but, according to a Guns & Gadgets video I just watched

1) Rule publishing on 1/31
2) ATF admits they screwed up and will change the "Can another person use my NFA item in my presence?" Q/A where they said No.
 
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I was planning on SBRing a 10.5’’ AR-15 in 300blk anyway, so this might be a good opportunity to save some cash. I also have 2 stripped lowers with sbr plans for the future.

Can I register my stripped lowers as sbr’s if I know what my future barrel length will be? Or is that leaping too far if I don’t already have the parts?
 
I want those military guns as well a couple machine guns mounted on pillars around the house maybe a quad mini gun for shits and giggles mounted to the roof of the house , dam those neighbors cats lol an automated 30mm or two nothing says fun like a fart and a hail of bullets . Call it Jehovah witness be gone .
 
I was planning on SBRing a 10.5’’ AR-15 in 300blk anyway, so this might be a good opportunity to save some cash. I also have 2 stripped lowers with sbr plans for the future.

Can I register my stripped lowers as sbr’s if I know what my future barrel length will be? Or is that leaping too far if I don’t already have the parts?
That’s an interesting idea, registering lowers only. I’m not registering my ar pistol out of principle but I have a suppressor registered so ….. ( I know that makes no sense but it’s the principle of being told what to do that puts my back up!)
 
That’s an interesting idea, registering lowers only. I’m not registering my ar pistol out of principle but I have a suppressor registered so ….. ( I know that makes no sense but it’s the principle of being told what to do that puts my back up!)
I understand the principle of it and completely agree with you. This latest pistol brace sham is just another of many unconstitutional actions that have occurred over the past 75 years. Registering receivers (as long as you know what barrel length you're planning, really goes to your point and principle that it's none of their business what other 'evil black tactical things' I have on the completed firearm. The receiver is the 'gun'.

I am already "in the system" due to my job and had planned on building at least 1 SBR anyway, so this is an opportunity to save a few bucks. I was just thinking I might as well get the lowers for my future planned projects in while I can....both from a backlog and cost perspective. If this whole thing holds up, I suspect there will be a mass submission of Form 1's and at least I'll be ahead of the curve.

I figure there are quite a few FFLs on here and/or other folks that may know more about the nuances of this sort of thing that might be able to educate me on the receiver-only approach.
 
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I was planning on SBRing a 10.5’’ AR-15 in 300blk anyway, so this might be a good opportunity to save some cash. I also have 2 stripped lowers with sbr plans for the future.

Can I register my stripped lowers as sbr’s if I know what my future barrel length will be? Or is that leaping too far if I don’t already have the parts?

You can make an SBR from a stripped lower using the standard Form 1 (paying the $200 making tax). And can build the SBR at any time after the form is approved.

But I think the amnesty is limited to complete pistols with braces (and the application requires pictures as proof).
 
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You can make an SBR from a stripped lower using the standard Form 1 (paying the $200 making tax). And can build the SBR at any time after the form is approved.

But I think the amnesty is limited to complete pistols with braces (and the application requires pictures as proof).
ahhh bummer. I didn't know the amnesty only applied to currently "non-compliant" firearms. Might have to splurge on some kits before the 120 days is up. BTW, I am a NMSU Aggie (alum)!
 
ahhh bummer. I didn't know the amnesty only applied to currently "non-compliant" firearms. Might have to splurge on some kits before the 120 days is up. BTW, I am a NMSU Aggie (alum)!

I wouldn't do that either, tbh.

From ATF's point of view (I'm not defending them, just stating my understanding of their position), the reason for the amnesty is that they already consider these things to be unregistered (& so illegal) SBRs, and are offering an amnesty to allow folks who possess them to become compliant. And registration is one of a couple of routes they offer for people to accomplish this.

With that in mind, buying a brace (especially after whatever date the rule is published) with the expressed intent of taking advantage of the amnesty might be considered (by ATF) to be knowingly building an illegal SBR in order to evade the $200 making tax.
 
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I wouldn't do that either, tbh.

From ATF's point of view (I'm not defending them, just stating my understanding of their position), the reason for the amnesty is that they already consider these things to be unregistered (& so illegal) SBRs, and are offering an amnesty to allow folks who possess them to become compliant. And registration is one of a couple of routes they offer for people to accomplish this.

With that in mind, buying a brace (especially after whatever date the rule is published) with the expressed intent of taking advantage of the amnesty might be considered (by ATF) to be knowingly building an illegal SBR in order to evade the $200 making tax.
My post was in jest, but that's a good point. You're right that it is for CURRENTLY non-compliant firearms.
 
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I believe it is a "God Given Right".
So if he gave it to me only he can take away.
"Shall not be infringed" comes to mind too.

Do you really think it was necessary for our forefathers to spell out everything your government "can't do"?

You, my friend are what's wrong with America and a fuckin moron to boot.
Because he’s a fucking troll; funny thing is I can’t even see his response when you quote him. It’s a beautiful thing.

Put that asshat on ignore like everyone else has…your life will be better, and the troll doesn’t get fed.
 

There are some interesting clarifications in this article, and considering it comes from NRA I consider that info reliable.
 
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There are some interesting clarifications in this article, and considering it comes from NRA I consider that info reliable.
Omg, the NRA’s mealy mouth long winded diatribe on the 18 or older page was enough to make me hit the back button. They could have done a simple “Are you 18? Yes/No.” But, no. They need three levels of data entry. The NRA fucked that up too. They just don’t know how NOT to fuck shit up.
 
Reliable and NRA don't belong in the same sentence without the words corrupt and mismanagement.

I'm not saying the NRA is our savior when it comes to political movements. I wasn't making any comment about whether they've done their job well or not. But as a huge lobbying organization, who is actually involved in these issues at the legislative level and in the courts, info they provide is a hell of alot more reliable than what some dumbfuck on youtube says. Right now gun owners need correct information, because we are under attack by ATF. And NRA does alot of good for gun owners, that is not disputable.

This article brought two pieces of info to the table I hadn't heard yet. 1) that possession of a brace won't be considered constructive intent if you can also construct a non NFA firearm with it. and 2.) That foreign pistols don't need to be destroyed because they were braced. Those are two new pieces of info that help gun owners from a source with direct knowledge. But fuck NRA, what good are they, right? Blah blah blah corruption!

Nothing pisses me off more than people who relentlessly dump on the NRA for their fuckups, but never give them credit for the good things they do. All the good stuff is just expected, but one wrong move and fuck the whole organization. Instead of calling for a circular firing squad around every organization that is only 90% on our side, maybe we'd be better off to support NRA, and GOA, and ASA, local associations, etc etc, because its gonna take ALL OF THEM to hold fast to liberty for our kids. Are any of them perfect? NO. Have they made mistakes? Yup. Get over it, or you will lose everything whilst sitting on your high horse blathering about LaPierre's suits and bumpstocks.
 
@hlee You're right, what an awful failure. Cancel all the memberships, we don't need them to help with the lawsuit against Illinois after all.
 
I'm not saying the NRA is our savior when it comes to political movements. I wasn't making any comment about whether they've done their job well or not. But as a huge lobbying organization, who is actually involved in these issues at the legislative level and in the courts, info they provide is a hell of alot more reliable than what some dumbfuck on youtube says. Right now gun owners need correct information, because we are under attack by ATF. And NRA does alot of good for gun owners, that is not disputable.

This article brought two pieces of info to the table I hadn't heard yet. 1) that possession of a brace won't be considered constructive intent if you can also construct a non NFA firearm with it. and 2.) That foreign pistols don't need to be destroyed because they were braced. Those are two new pieces of info that help gun owners from a source with direct knowledge. But fuck NRA, what good are they, right? Blah blah blah corruption!

Nothing pisses me off more than people who relentlessly dump on the NRA for their fuckups, but never give them credit for the good things they do. All the good stuff is just expected, but one wrong move and fuck the whole organization. Instead of calling for a circular firing squad around every organization that is only 90% on our side, maybe we'd be better off to support NRA, and GOA, and ASA, local associations, etc etc, because its gonna take ALL OF THEM to hold fast to liberty for our kids. Are any of them perfect? NO. Have they made mistakes? Yup. Get over it, or you will lose everything whilst sitting on your high horse blathering about LaPierre's suits and bumpstocks.
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The braces were banned because people are shouldering them and using them as SBR’s.

Its pretty irritating people don't recognize that. They allowed a loop hole, people abused it... now its.

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Had people not abused the braces... the ATF would not be doing this

Disclaimer- This is my opinion of what I see in the situation, it doesn’t necessarily reflect my personal opinions. Personally, the NFA should be repealed. The length of a barrel or the ability to shoulder has nothing to do with intentions of somebody using said tool...
No such thing as a loophole when exercising your rights, only restoration, plus ATF sent a determination letter to a Colorado LEO/Agency stating that using the braces outside of their designed intent did not reclassify pistols as any other type of firearm.
 
There are so many problems the ATF faces from a legal standpoint with this “ruling”, that they would be decimated in court:

Any judge ruling in their favor would have to ignore:

Article 1, Section 9 regarding ex post facto laws. Not only does ATF not have law-making authority, but Congress isn’t even allowed to make ex post facto laws. ATF loses doubly on that one.

2A is self explanatory and this is the main pillar multiple Sheriffs are already citing, namely that ATF has no authority to violate the people’s rights to keep and bear arms, and Sheriffs being sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution will not allow ATF to come into their jurisdictions to attempt to enforce said “rulings”.

4A applies to everyone who now lives in fear of threat of force of ATF violating their person, places, and effects. ATF is violating this every day they assert that this “ruling” is valid and will go into effect.

5A applies to protection from self incrimination, which their forms and demands in the ruling violate. ATF is saying ex post facto that these firearms they and the Treasury deemed to be Title I firearms are now Title II, and always have been Title II. By getting you to apply for registration, you are agreeing to their claim these were always NFA items in your possession, even with all their determination letters saying otherwise dating back to Nov 26, 2012.

9A favors the people with regard to any rights not mentioned in the BoR.

10A favors the People and States

CFR 26 covers Federal Excise Taxes on Title I firearms, which these 10-40 million samples fall under. ATF and Treasury have classified, accepted FET taxes on, and monitored the manufacturer and transfer of these firearms under Title I since 2013. Any judge even not familiar with the law will ask, “Why did you officially classify, accept FET, and process these millions of firearms under Title I if you now saw they were never Title I firearms? The CFR and FET seems pretty clear on this.

CFR 27 covers Federal Excise Taxes and duties collected on imported Title I firearms. Think Striborgs, Hk, B&T, Cz, and other European companies who paid all the duties and excise taxes under the US CFR 27 by the book, now are being told those were actually all NFA items (NFA items aren’t able to be imported). Judge will ask the same question. “What the hell are you guys doing here? None of this makes sense to me.”

That then triggers 922(r), so even if people try to incriminate themselves according to ATF’s registration scheme, they now are harmed financially with burdensome parts compliance and no remedies.

A judge would also have to rule in favor of ATF in violation of Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986, where the government or any entity is forbidden from keepings ownership records on firearms possessed by the people, so a judge would have to ignore that actual law passed by Congress.

1934 NFA. Interestingly, if ATF’s technical claims are true, ATF is incriminating themselves by declaring that they supervised, encouraged, and authored the distribution of millions of NFA firearms into the market in violation of the 1934 NFA itself, while defrauding the Treasury of NFA taxes, and are now arbitrarily deciding to enact a massive enforcement measure in some sort of gotcha scheme. Imagine trying to explain that to a judge.

Then a judge would have to side with the ATF against the Supreme Court of the United States in the following court cases:

DC vs Heller
NY State Pistol and Rifle Assoc. vs Bruen
McDonald vs Chicago
West Virginia vs EPA


That new ATF Director just admitted on TV that they (ATF) passed a new rule to ban ghost guns. ATF has no authority to pass anything.

This would be a great piece of evidence to use in court, to emphasize and document before the judge how this Prohibition-era unconstitutional agency has really been out of control, and doesn’t understand how our laws work in the United States.

“Your honor, I think this is a great opportunity for the judicial branch to remind an unelected Federal bureaucracy that was formed to bypass due process with gangsters like Dillinger in the early 1930s, that they don’t have the power to make laws and harm millions of Americans who are freely exercising their rights."