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Certainly won’t be @brianf

He fully supports anyone but him or his family dying for Ukraine.

100% agreed

neither would you or anyone else on this thread

but you wont admit it publicly to keep you online persona intact



are you going to stop paying taxes or we'll just forget about any consequences for you and only let the Ukrainian civilians have consequences

i guess its THEIR problem right

hypocrites as usual
 
100% agreed

neither would you or anyone else on this thread

but you wont admit it publicly to keep you online persona intact



are you going to stop paying taxes or we'll just forget about any consequences for you and only let the Ukrainian civilians have consequences

i guess its THEIR problem right

hypocrites as usual
It is their problem and Ukraine is not worth a broken nail to one American kid.

Anyone that disagrees though is free to go and they should stop advocating for others to go in their place.

Are you Lindsey Graham? Ever been in a cockpit?
 
I just went and checked my grandfathers grave. If his spirt hears word we are pushing German to arm its self to fight Russia, and working with Japan to fight China… I fear he might be rolling around down there…

Last time he visited me was in a dream in 2011 after my grandmother died, his body having failed him in 2004. He let me know he found her and everything was alright.

Would not be surprised if he comes back mad as cuss!
The spinning of Patriots in their graves will likely cause the earth to lose its 23 degree tilt…..be ready for permanent equinox.
 
It is their problem and Ukraine is not worth a broken nail to one American kid.

Anyone that disagrees though is free to go and they should stop advocating for others to go in their place.

Are you Lindsey Graham? Ever been in a cockpit?
so we do agree

"without one broken nail to a American kid"

sounds like a proxy war using indigenous population...better watch out your thinking like me now :ROFLMAO:
 
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so we do agree

"without one broken nail to a American kid"

sounds like a proxy war using indigenous population...better watch out your thinking like me now :ROFLMAO:
You just have no ability to think beyond the end of your nose.

Your inability to understand reactions to actions is absurd.

You live in a fantasy world because you can not for a second consider yourself in any other place than your own skin which judging from your posts must be a pretty special place.
 
You just have no ability to think beyond the end of your nose.

Your inability to understand reactions to actions is absurd.

You live in a fantasy world because you can not for a second consider yourself in any other place than your own skin which judging from your posts must be a pretty special place.

the absurdity is that you think world events especially in eastern europe have no fall out on the US, if we are involved or not

i understand the possible consequences more than 1 election cycle down the road

you just dont like or cant fathom that i have no feeling toward those people and i care more about the outcome than the people
 
I just don’t understand how you think something at about the size of Texas putting a flea bitten rabid dog with the worst government probably in the world in it’s place, has any bearing on the future of the US…..

If you really care about the US you should be asking why are individuals in our govt so invested in not having Ukraine’s secrets come out to the point they are ready to kill your kid to keep whatever they have been doing hidden.

I bet you are a two mask person.
 
Putin is one of the last people standing protecting his country from that shit.

True. Please someone remind me again, how do we currently have moral superiority over Russia? Those "Us" vs. "Them" lines...not seeing so clearly now. Our country is literally run by unelected bureaucrats, has a two tiered judicial system where your political views affect your treatment within the "justice system", (and last I checked the Russians aren't paying 8$/dozen eggs and allowing their citizens to be intentionally starved by globalists). Money-laundering and nepotism? DC wrote the book. Suiciding? Clintons wrote that book. And "ours" are working quite hard to make sure they can prevent you from accessing your own money if you don't agree that there are only two genders and that their election results are "fair and honest".

Everything "bad" that Russia and Putin have been accused of doing against its own citizens, our own government has not only done but surpassed in sleaziness and unabashed arrogance.
Here, you can be an outstanding patriot willing to sacrifice your life for the 'ole USA, and less than a decade later you are officially a domestic terrorist for believing in the very same principles. Yes, your country treats its own "enemies" better than it treats you!

Putin's Russia is the last Christian bulwark.
 
True. Please someone remind me again, how do we currently have moral superiority over Russia? Those "Us" vs. "Them" lines...not seeing so clearly now. Our country is literally run by unelected bureaucrats, has a two tiered judicial system where your political views affect your treatment within the "justice system", (and last I checked the Russians aren't paying 8$/dozen eggs and allowing their citizens to be intentionally starved by globalists). Money-laundering and nepotism? DC wrote the book. Suiciding? Clintons wrote that book. And "ours" are working quite hard to make sure they can prevent you from accessing your own money if you don't agree that there are only two genders and that their election results are "fair and honest".

Everything "bad" that Russia and Putin have been accused of doing against its own citizens, our own government has not only done but surpassed in sleaziness and unabashed arrogance.
Here, you can be an outstanding patriot willing to sacrifice your life for the 'ole USA, and less than a decade later you are officially a domestic terrorist for believing in the very same principles. Yes, your country treats its own "enemies" better than it treats you!

Putin's Russia is the last Christian bulwark.
The longer that this shit goes on, the more of this shit that I see, the more I go "hmmmmm, is Putin REALLY the bad guy here ?"......:unsure:
 
"The Ukraine" has banned opposition parties, nationalized the media, and had tried to shut down Russian Orthodox churches.

Did Russia invade Ukraine defensively? offensively?

By the same standards, we invaded Iraq twice, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Serbia, Grenada, Panama, and Afghanistan.
 
Putin's Russia is the last Christian bulwark.

Here is an interesting thought about that:
The Chinese Communist Party which has huge influence in our country is happy for us to be doing all the stupid left wing woke things we are doing.
Meanwhile domestically they are doing the exact opposite of what we are doing.
If you look back at the latest crackdown against "moral corruption of society" by the Chinese Communist Party in their actual home country, you'll notice they are doing most of what the "conservatives" and "freedom loving" and "eyes wide open" folks here would want done.
(Except of course they don't do any of that freedom and democracy and accountability stuff).

There is a reason we are being pushed to do what we do and it's not to make us better...
 
The longer that this shit goes on, the more of this shit that I see, the more I go "hmmmmm, is Putin REALLY the bad guy here ?"..........:unsure:
Yes. He is a bad guy.

But he might also have been pushed into Ukraine in defense of the nation he leads from NATO provocation/proxy war.

Both can be true.

I believe you are referring to "in this case" regarding the invasion of Ukraine. In that regard, Russia was not given a choice in whether to invade Ukraine, only when.
 

Hard Drinking and Murky Finances: How an American Veterans Group Imploded in Ukraine​


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Rob, a member of the Mozart group, leads a military training of Ukrainian soldiers in rural Donbas, in eastern Ukraine, on July 23, 2022. (Laura Boushnak/The New York Times)


KYIV, Ukraine — Andrew Milburn, a former American Marine colonel and leader of the Mozart Group, stood in a chilly meeting room on the second floor of an apartment building in Kyiv about to deliver some bad news. In front of him sat half a dozen men who had traveled to Ukraine on their own dime to work for him.
“Guys, I’m gutted,” he said. “The Mozart Group is dead.”
The men stared back at him with blank faces.

One asked as he walked toward the door, “What should I do with my helmet?”
The Mozart Group, one of the most prominent, private American military organizations in Ukraine, has collapsed under a cloud of accusations ranging from financial improprieties to alcohol-addled misjudgments....

....After months struggling to hold itself together, Mozart was plagued by defections, infighting, a break-in at its office
headquarters and a lawsuit filed by the company’s chief financial officer, Andrew Bain, seeking the ouster of Milburn.

The lawsuit, filed in Wyoming, where Mozart is registered as a limited liability company, is a litany of petty and serious allegations, accusing Milburn among other things of making derogatory comments about Ukraine’s leadership while “significantly intoxicated,” letting his dog urinate in a borrowed apartment and “diverting company funds” and other financial malfeasance.

“I’ll be the first to admit that I’m flawed,” said Milburn, who acknowledged in an interview that he had been drinking when he made the comments on Ukraine. “We all are.” But he denied the more serious allegations about financial improprieties, calling them “utterly ridiculous.”


As spring passed to summer, more Ukrainian military units asked Mozart for training. But the Ukrainians could not pay for it, leaving Mozart reliant on a small pool of steady donors, including a group of East Coast financiers with Jewish-Ukrainian roots and a Texas tycoon.

Everyone involved said it became stressful just making payroll. And several employees said that the way the money flowed into the organization, which was overseen by Bain, was opaque.

“I can’t tell you how many people would come up to me at a party and said, “Hey, Marty, I love what you’re doing. I want to give you $10,000,” said Martin Wetterauer, one of Milburn’s old Marine friends and Mozart’s operations chief. “But we would never know if the money actually came in.”

On top of that, the people Mozart hired were not the easiest to manage. Many were grizzled combat vets who admitted to struggling with PTSD and heavy drinking. When they weren’t working, they gravitated to Kyiv’s strip clubs, bars and online dating.

On Dec. 11, a Sunday morning, Milburn and a couple of employees went to the company’s headquarters, housed in a Kyiv building Bain owns, to retrieve winter jackets, body armor and some personal luggage locked in a storeroom.

When a security guard refused to let them in, one of Milburn’s men pinned him against a wall while Milburn kicked down the door. He later said they needed the gear for missions in Donbas, the eastern Ukraine region under relentless Russian attack.

Not long after that, a clip of Milburn disparaging Ukraine’s leadership circulated widely on social media. “I happen to have a Ukraine flag tied to my bag, but I’m not, ‘Oh my God, Ukraine is so awesome,’” he said. “I understand that there are plenty of screwed-up people running Ukraine.”

The clip was taken from The Team House podcast, in which guests are invited into a living room setting to drink hard liquor with the hosts. “Of course I shouldn’t have said that,” Milburn acknowledged.

But he’s not going back to the front anytime soon. He spent hours this week in front of his laptop. He’s scouting out new business, such as training courses for hostile environments. He’s writing emails to donors.
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Yes. He is a bad guy.

But he might also have been pushed into Ukraine in defense of the nation he leads from NATO provocation/proxy war.

Both can be true.

I believe you are referring to "in this case" regarding the invasion of Ukraine. In that regard, Russia was not given a choice in whether to invade Ukraine, only when.
Yep, pretty much what I meant. ;)
 
I just don’t understand how you think something at about the size of Texas putting a flea bitten rabid dog with the worst government probably in the world in it’s place, has any bearing on the future of the US…..

If you really care about the US you should be asking why are individuals in our govt so invested in not having Ukraine’s secrets come out to the point they are ready to kill your kid to keep whatever they have been doing hidden.

I bet you are a two mask person.
Who says I’m not.

This isn’t a let’s talk about XYZ thread

it started out with posts and pics of Russia invading Ukraine.

While intertwined they are separate conversations

One convo is what to do now that it started

The other is how’s we get here and why
 
If you really care about the US you should be asking why are individuals in our govt so invested in not having Ukraine’s secrets come out to the point they are ready to kill your kid to keep whatever they have been doing hidden.
Can you only imagine during the Covid19 outbreak from a US funded lab in Wuhan what the Russians might have been thinking about the US labs in Ukraine. I can imagine the Kremlin shitting bricks. What if Russia had similar labs in Mexico, wonder if we would do anything about it, I can only imagine.

Not that long ago I had this view of America as this benevolent shining castle on the hill. The past few years have been eyeopening. I think a lot had actually changed since EIsenhowers MIC speach, and the CIA schwaking of JFK.

 
never been to war and have been lucky enough to live in the US my whole life

thats where detachment comes in, as a very small parentage of the population has been to war and a even smaller percentage have lived in a war torn country


Ronald Reagan is universally regarded as a great president, he never fired a shot

lets toss in thomas jefferson as well for not firing a shot

but i guess they werent capable of making decisions either


personal feelings do not matter when making decisions based on facts
I love RR, I love TJ..

RR did some stuff in Grenada
While Thomas Jefferson, might not of fired a shot, Thomas J had the US NAVY and Marines Kick some fk'n ass

In April 1805 the U.S. Navy, with U.S. Marines, launched an operation against the port of Tripoli. The objective was to install a new ruler.​
The detachment of Marines, under the command of Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon, led a frontal assault on a harbor fort at the Battle of Derna. O'Bannon and his small force captured the fort.​

 
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im not going anywhere, that the benefit of fighting proxy wars isnt it

i though you were smarter than that

if you hate out involvement so much why dont you stop paying taxes as you are funding the munitions and deal with the consequences just like i would over in ukraine

post your letter from the IRS when you get it

put up or shut up.....
I thought after the whole theis thing you would hate Ukrainians......

Doc
 


When you give someone a ton of offensive weapons, they will develop an offensive mindset.
 


When you give someone a ton of offensive weapons, they will develop an offensive mindset.

My guess is that he's already purchased property in a non-descript tropical zone for when he's tired of the pressures of state and the war.

If he doesn't he might be sticking a pistol in his mouth in the führerbunker one day soon.

As stupid as the Nato countries are, they would probably shift strategy and decide that Ukraine isn't worth dying for.
 
I thought after the whole theis thing you would hate Ukrainians......

Doc
Nothing against Ukrainians in particular.

They just happen to be the country that the mess is happening too, makes no difference to me.

This could be Estonia or the Congo if the situation is the same I’d have the same opinion.
 
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Whats Putin's end game , hard to believe he is letting the comic live. Unless Zelensky is giving Putin a cut of the billions we send over there weekly.
 
All that information at your finger tip and you don't know how to vet information.
Nothing against Ukrainians in particular.

They just happen to be the country that the mess is happening too, makes no difference to me.

This could be Estonia or the Congo if the situation is the same I’d have the same opinion.
Something something about leading to water
 
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All that information at your finger tip and you don't know how to vet information.

Something something about leading to water
This is what you seen to have a hard time understanding, yet it’s so simple.

You are not the holder or creator of information. Your interpretation of information is not the only one.

There are other sources, some you may know, some you may not and some you may disagree with.

You keep trying suggest that I’m making things up and my opinions aren’t rooted in some sort of factual information.

It’s not that hard to understand that we have a difference of opinion and no matter how many times you repeat the same bland posts, it’s not going to change.

Bring useful information not kraken hearsay and maybe that will change one day.

Or just stop tagging me on posts because it’s a waste of time.

I personally don’t mind the bickering as this forum (not the actual firearms sections) is firearms instagram to me that is not taken seriously

but I do acknowledge that this site and forum are some member’s whole life, and I should be more mindful.
 
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Whats Putin's end game , hard to believe he is letting the comic live. Unless Zelensky is giving Putin a cut of the billions we send over there weekly.
His end game is not allowing NATO to take Ukraine, which they did, Politically in 2014.

Zelensky and Putin are not in cahoots.

Putin can't just kill z man. How long did it take US forces to find Saddam? 9 Months after 2003 invasion and we had been there since 1990. Iraq(Saddam) was in a much shitter position than Ukraine(Zelensky) is.
 
Yeah but the religious folk were shit scared of Saddam he would shoot em if there was a problem

The thoughts I have of the entirety is this is a toe in the water to see what will happen,

Once the newer tech is out to see from the western side, the Russians will observe it and figure the weak points

Then they will attempt to build their forces to defeat the newer tech.

This has been comin for a long time, the last world war was 1940's

ATM most are just observing, I hope it gets to a better point or a fix

The only mainstay I can think of is:

Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely

So in hindsight what do we need for a decent future worth being around for or to sacrifice for?
 
Yeah but the religious folk were shit scared of Saddam he would shoot em if there was a problem

The thoughts I have of the entirety is this is a toe in the water to see what will happen,

Once the newer tech is out to see from the western side, the Russians will observe it and figure the weak points

Then they will attempt to build their forces to defeat the newer tech.

This has been comin for a long time, the last world war was 1940's

ATM most are just observing, I hope it gets to a better point or a fix

The only mainstay I can think of is:

Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely

So in hindsight what do we need for a decent future worth being around for or to sacrifice for?
You type just like Brian. Same person different account? After his shenanigans pretending to be a customer... It would not surprise me.
 
Old Daniel was sure upset in the previous chapter about his vision for it to pertain only to Greece. There are multiple iterations of both the kings of the North and South spanning millennia in Daniel 11. The League of Nations is in there, Czar Nicholas II is in there, the UN is in there, international banksters are in there. England, Russia, and Germany are all in there. Even satan is in there as prophesy still to be fulfilled. Which is exactly why Daniel was so upset in chapter 10.

About those third of the trees, waters, and green grasses burnt up. Green grass dies in the heat as it doesn't have deep roots. Trees and waters are people. The thirds are describing Christians spiritually dying for lack of knowledge after having bowed a knee in ignorance to satan.


Satan will be coming in multiple roles to ultimately convince most that he is God.

See that it is not any of you.
Might want to mention some clues for the slow kids in the back.

The longer that this shit goes on, the more of this shit that I see, the more I go "hmmmmm, is Putin REALLY the bad guy here ?"......:unsure:
The answer to that is really simple.


I laugh because some things are just so obvious...
 
your butt hurtery is misplaced

But the troll in me is strong so

Once you have seen Juan you have seen Jamal
 
Here's a short video. If you want to see more. Google Putin's speech on February 2022.

This is quite good. That is, if you have an objective mind set. Take it for what it is worth and make of it what you will.

But, it is worth hearing the Russians POV.
 
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This is quite good. That is, if you have an objective mind set. Take it for what it is worth and make of it what you will.

But, it is worth hearing the Russians POV.
Since there's so much propaganda coming from this conflict I decided to get it from the horses mouth. I've watched a couple hours worth of his speeches with the standpoint of "is this his Gulf of Tonkin, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Stop the Spread of Communism bullshit". There's some questioning by him of how they were treated by the USA after the fall of the USSR. On how agreements of NATO encroachment have been repeatedly broken. There's some pretty interesting stuff. While we're fed a steady stream of "he's a mad man KGB agent that can't be trusted". "look what he did in Georgia. He's getting the USSR back together" I wonder what would our government be saying if they were setting up bases in Canada and Mexico especially if they started in northern south America and incrementally moved closer to our border.
Have we used the guise of NATO to do the same to them?
Can NATO (USA) be trusted after Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and several more on their border especially after the military has set up multiple Bio Labs and the known corruption in Ukraine?
Go into it with the understanding that the USA is not the innocent girl scout and try to see it from their side.
 
All that information at your finger tip and you don't know how to vet information.

Something something about leading to water
You still don’t get it

I don’t care if there is water, a path to walk on, or if you die of thirst on the way

I only care if you or the other guy is poisoning the water that I have to drink

If you got tricked and someone stole your water, not my problem

If the well dried up, not my problem

If you sold the water rights, not my problem

That’s the information that counts, not how you got thirsty to begin with..that’s your problem as long as the USA stay hydrated.
 
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You still don’t get it

I don’t care if there is water, a path to walk on, or if you die of thirst on the way

I only care if you or the other guy is poisoning the water that I have to drink

If you got tricked and someone stole your water, not my problem

If the well dried up, not my problem

If you sold the water rights, not my problem

That’s the information that counts, not how you got thirsty to begin with..that’s your problem as long as the USA stay hydrated.
Doesn’t realize the US as it was is being destroyed.

Must make his money from pharmaceuticals where economics don’t apply.
 
You still don’t get it

I don’t care if there is water, a path to walk on, or if you die of thirst on the way

I only care if you or the other guy is poisoning the water that I have to drink

If you got tricked and someone stole your water, not my problem

If the well dried up, not my problem

If you sold the water rights, not my problem

That’s the information that counts, not how you got thirsty to begin with..that’s your problem as long as the USA stay hydrated.
I'll try to go slow for you.
You say that you don't care about it unless it threatening you or your children. Russia is not a danger to either. If you think that they are please post how. Ukraine is not a direct threat either. What the USA under the cover of NATO is doing in Ukraine is a threat.
I asked who's preventing peace talks? You say that you "Think" it's Putin. I merely asked where you came up with that. I don't know what is so difficult about answering it. Is it just your beliefs because of you have been told that Putin is evil your entire life or have you done some research to get to your guess? Do you vet information by checking out who's saying it?
Would you have believed anything fauxchi said if you found out he's married to an executive at phizer? Or that they are paying him as a consultant? With all the propaganda and false information being put out by, dare I say our own government, everyone. Do you vet the source before believing it?
 
Doesn’t realize the US as it was is being destroyed.

Must make his money from pharmaceuticals where economics don’t apply.
showing your ignorance about economics and company specific product line.

as much as id like to be..im not the size of Pfizer

but like most topics you comment on, you dont do the required research to be taken seriously or to be accurate

shoot me a PM i can give you a education if you want

id suggest you stick to what you think you have a handle on
 
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