If you're doing clip ons the 3.6x just doesn't cut it for most, but if 2x vs 3.6x doesn't really matter then I agree, the 3.6-18 would be a "better" choice, but that comes down to what the intended purpose is.
For a 2-10, I want wind holds. I would love a couple CMR-W type options. But a mil tree would work. It’s not for fine holds; just better quick estimates of aiming points for wind. The same reason there are mil trees on the Razor 1-10 and the ATACR 1-8. I’m not doing any dialing with a 2-10 scope.
Oh wow,
The more I think of this Leupold and its overall size, I think of it more as a LPVO+. I know I complained about the weight, but a Trijicon Credo is 25oz, a VCOG is 29 (with mount), G2 Razor is 22 and none of those have the features that the Leupold has.
Gonna wait to see what the not-Leupolded reticle is, but Leupold has a poor track record as a company in their antics as well as mechanical reliability and accuracy of their scopes.
The ATACR may be reliable, but setting the zero stop on the 4-16x42 is retarded finicky.
More of an Ermenegildo Zegna kind of guy myself. However, Leupold is why we can’t have nice things and they’re whiny bitches as a company.
that’s what I’m waiting for too, if ILya thinks it’s good I have hope. The other compromises with the scope I can kinda live with but not ideal, but proper illuminated reticle will make all the difference I’d the scope is as forgiving as it should be with this design.
I didn't say "good". I said "appropriate for the scope". I have not seen the drawings, just a general description of it. If it is what I think it is, I'll be picking one up.
Wonder if they'll charge an extra $200 like they do for the CCH (despite being their own design).
My money is on a CMR-W type reticle that is available in either BDC or MOA.
Indeed you did say just that, thanks for the correction, my hope just got knocked down a notch. Then again, when I see the name “Leupold” I pretty much think “what did they do wrong this time”.
Yeah I’ll take a TMR over a BDC or MOA, or third mils!
Nweeet. Probably, but the corporate line is that is not offered. If we follow how Nightforce handled that, it was a slow rollout almost a year later.
I agree. Context and rifle use case drives the optic. I consider the optic the brain of the rifle and controls what its capable of. The context in which I am considering this concept is a general purpose 308 gas gun. I also think this would find a good use on most general purpose rifles of various calibers, bolt and semi. A 556, 6ARC, 6.5G, 6.5CM, and 308 with a 13-20” barrel, medium weight build.
I mostly agree, but LPVOs still have their place. I’ve got a PLXc in a reptilian mount and an RMR up top, all in I’m at about 25oz. Pull the RMR and I’m a little under 24oz I think.
Not to derail this thread but how you like the PLX, going to do the same setup but a holosun 403r on top on a 14.5 rifle. Going to get the PLX with Griffin mil.
I really like it, I'd go RMR all day though to make sure the Chinese can't turn you off
Praecore on IG seems to have some good praise for it, along with a page called Sidewinder Concepts. Praecore usually puts out pretty solid info.
2-10 makes no sense with this point of view... Why would you limit yourself with a 2-10 if you are going to throw a RDS on it? Might as well go to 3.6-18/4-16 if you are going to add a RDS. You'd find more utility with the extra 6-8x on top than the 2 and 3x on the bottom. LPVOs aren't meant to/capable of being perfect on 1x and 8/10x at this time. They are more so to give you capability at both ends in one package. If anything the 2-10s are kinda pointless as they are currently made.
I agree but a 2-10 should be more compact for the limitations it has. This one is marginally lighter and shorter. For me I’ll run a PLXc 1-8 all day (stored on 4x) if I need compact and light
The red dot covers the missing 1x. It does not cover the value inherent in 2-3.6x. Earlier in this thread I covered the massive field of view advantage of 2x over 3.6x in the Mk5s.
Not to mention the form factor. I can envision this handling like a beefy LPVO such as a Trijicon Credo. Its not meant to replace the 3.6-18. Its an LPVO+ in my mind. Hopefully I can sell my FN SPR setup to fund a Mk5 2-10 with an ACRO on top.
As someone who hunts and a prior Marine I don't really see the value of 2-3x except maybe with clip-ons but that's a niche market and lpvos are definitely usable for this. If the target is too far to engage or ID with 1x I'm going to more than likely use 4x or more. I could maybe see it as a decent close to mid range hunting scope but it's definitely not marketed as that. By all means buy whatever makes you happy but don't expect everyone to be fooled by the marketing and hype...
I was Army so I don't have an opinion or at least not one I'm allowed to share
Thats probably a good freaking idea.I was Army so I don't have an opinion or at least not one I'm allowed to share
I know best to keep my mouth shut when I'm around MarinesThats probably a good freaking idea.
Sure, that's pretty simple. Those are issued and there is a big difference between issued and chosen equipment. Plus, with those few groups that can choose equipment the majority of those people aren't equipment whores like us and are happy with what's issued as long as it works.
