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Which 3-18 for me?

SupressYourself

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I know, another "which scope" thread... but this is a case of just not knowing what all is available. I've looked into the Leupold and Burris offerings, but not much else.
Here some guidelines around what I think I want:

- Going on a hunting rig, so while I'm not a pussy about weight, a tank like the Razor gen2 is not ideal.
- 2nd focal plane preferred, but open to FFP if the reticle is actually usable at low power and in low light conditions.
- Prefer MOA because thats what I'm used to.
- I'd like to be able to dial or hold depending on, so while I don't need a 'christmas tree', a simple duplex reticle is also not for me.
- I'm not married to 3-18, but somewhere in that neighborhood.
- Budget: $1500

What says the hide?
 
A few suggestions:

The Steiner Predator 8 2-16x42 - E3 includes a rear focal plane E3 Ballistic reticle, with cascading subtensions and windage dots and an integrated customizable ballistic turret.

Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44mm CDS-ZL2 - Boone and Crockett has Leupolds professional optical system (their highest), has a 5:1 zoom ratio so good for short to longer range, custom dial system, and the b&c reticle will allow hold over without dialing.

Burris XTR III 3.3-18x50mm - SCR MOA, on sale for only $999.99,
  • The smaller of the two XTR III models, the 3.3-18x50 model provides huge field-of-view in a relatively compact scope package (13.3 inches).
  • The 3.3-18x50 model offers a huge 120 MOA of elevation.
My Burris tech rep chimed in....
"The new Veracity PH could be interesting to him. 4-20x isn't far off, it's FFP but the reticle is intelligently designed with bold, tapered posts to draw the shooter's eye towards the center when set to lower magnifications. Then of course there's all the cool connected/digital features on top of that.

The rest of the Veracity Line would be a good option for the same reasons as the PH, and a 3-15x is available if the low-end magnification is the priority. The dials share mechanical design with the XTRs, so precision when adjusting is guaranteed. No illumination though, so if that's a red flag, hopefully the sub-$1k price point will make up for that.

Alternatively, the XTRi 3.3-18 would be my personal choice as a precision shooter. The SCR-MOA version uses a graduated reticle *without* the additional clutter of 'Christmas tree' wind hold marks, AND it's illuminated. Also priced under his limit, if he's familiar with his DOPE and not area afraid to dial, it would be a strong performer for him."

Not to be left out, my Element rep says:

"First a Titan 3-18x50 would be an excellent choice as it does tick many of his boxes. FFP, 3 – 18 Magnification, 4” of Eye Relief, 34mm diameter chassis for excellent light management, ¼ MOA click adjustment, an incredible 150 MOA of adjustment in the elevation turret, and 50 MOA of adjustment in the windage turret. Positive zero-stop, illuminated reticle, perhaps a bit heavy at 34.4 oz and available with an APR – 2D (Christmas tree style reticle)

Next is the Element Nexus 5-20x50: This too is an excellent choice. Japanese point of manufacture, FFP, 5 – 20 Magnification, 3.03 – 3.66” of eye relief, 30mm diameter chassis, ¼ MOA click adjustment, 90 MOA of elevation turret adjustment and 40 MOA of windage turret adjustment. Positive zero-stop, illuminated reticle, weighs in at a svelte 28 oz, and is available in an APR – 1C reticle.
 
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Burris XTR3, nothing out there is going to touch it for the price.
 
Steiner t6 318 if you can swing a few hundo more
 
Look at the Burris scopes mentioned above but also the Tract line might have something for you.

 
Thanks guys. The Burris XTR3 illuminated does seem to stand out. My only hang up is the reticle. It doesn't have the thicker lines toward the outside like (for example) the Nightforce MOAR to draw your eye to the center, or allow you to "bracket" an animal at close range. Some feedback I've seen suggests the reticle is too thin at low power. Now, the illumination should help, but then I've heard that's not exactly "daylight bright" either.
All my scopes can be pressed into coyote hunting duty where one can sometimes slip in at close range. I need to be able to make that quick shot at low power.
 
Thanks guys. The Burris XTR3 illuminated does seem to stand out. My only hang up is the reticle. It doesn't have the thicker lines toward the outside like (for example) the Nightforce MOAR to draw your eye to the center, or allow you to "bracket" an animal at close range. Some feedback I've seen suggests the reticle is too thin at low power. Now, the illumination should help, but then I've heard that's not exactly "daylight bright" either.
All my scopes can be pressed into coyote hunting duty where one can sometimes slip in at close range. I need to be able to make that quick shot at low power.

I dont think any of those statements were from people who have actually hunted with the illuminated XTRIII. I just spent 3 months hunting with mine.

The reticle won't give you any problems.
 
Just to clarify. Have you been using the 3.3-18, or the 5.5-30 ?
I have both. But I spent more time behind the 5.5-30. Pretty much hunted all through October and November.

I had my 18x out late season December hunts on a wolf/bear/lion rifle. I hunted with it set around 5x. It's still a very useable reticle at that magnification.

I honestly think my 18x will go on my 300 Norma next year which is my primary rifle. I really like a lot of aspects of that optic.

I REALLY like the new Veracity PH! Range it and dial the turret. Done! But it's illegal here in Idaho.. Burris offered me one and I had to say no. I can't use it 😭😭
 
I'd check out the Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42. Won't break the bank and is a very nice scope for hunting and fairly compact. I have it as well as the Meopta Optika6 3-18x50 which is a good bit larger, amazing glass, easily as good as my Athlon Cronus BTR Gen 2 4.5-29x56. Every time I get behind the Meopta, I'm surprised at how good it is. I do wish it were a bit more compact but that's my only complaint. Comes with numerous reticles but can be tough to find the one you want. They generally sell out.

 
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I just picked up a Razor LHT 4.5-22 which checks most of your boxes; if you get the 3-15 you can get 2nd ffp and it might actually check all of your boxes (there is an MOA option). Compares favorably with my VX5. Virtually an identical layout. Only complaint is that the illumination button doesn't really let you know when it is pressed and when zoomed in the lowest setting is a bit bright at higher magnifications. I would have liked maybe 3 more progressively dimmer settings. Otherwise, you get a lot of features packed into 23 oz.
 
I have the Burris XTR3 3-18x and the NF NXS 3.5-15x. If you’re a SFP guy the NF is a no brainer. I have loved mine but will likely be moving it to go to a 2.5-10x NXS for a super lightweight hunter. It’s just hard to get rid of the 15x when it’s worked so dang well.
 
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I'd check out the Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 2-12x42. Won't break the bank and is a very nice scope for hunting and fairly compact. I have it as well as the Meopta Optika6 3-18x50 which is a good bit larger, amazing glass, easily as good as my Athlon Cronus BTR Gen 2 4.5-29x56. Every time I get behind the Meopta, I'm surprised at how good it is. I do wish it were a bit more compact but that's my only complaint. Comes with numerous reticles but can be tough to find the one you want. They generally sell out.

I have owned the 3-18 x 50 dicrotech FFP (it was OK, but the tech needs light to work and a pig light is not enough and at high mags the red dot felt huge (like 1 moa)) and still own the 3-18 x 56 SFP red dot. I agree you get a LOT of scope for the money and I think mine come in at 30 oz. Agree on the reticles.

The only thing I would mention is that the rubberized grip on the mag ring is super large. If you like low rings you may need a 60 degree bolt throw for clearance. the bolt on my 700 would hit it. In lieu of higher rings, I was willing to file my bolt handle and by removing about 1/32 ish I was able to get it to clear. You might luck out with placement depending on eye relief, but it is something to consider.