Night Vision EOTECH CLIP ON THERMALS ( Full details)
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“Best” is very subjective. I’ve used it at 20x with still excellent image quality, though it’s starting to pixelate. It looks amazing in the 4-12x space. I think the selling point is “it can easily tolerate pretty much any magnification you need to hunt animals or people.”
3.5x or less on the bottom so you don't lose FOV and 18+ on the top
Leupold MK5 HD 3.8-18, TT315P, ZCO 420 are perfect scopes for the ELR. 15x is max magnification before real pixelation sets in and becomes intolerable depending upon your personal preference. I’m able to live with it all the way up to 20x, and I was genuinely surprised that it was even somewhat useful all the way up to 36x on a VO 6-36.
I posted some 20x pics a few pages back that were perfectly usable.
Are any of you in the northern MD/ southern PA area? I'd like to try out the elr before I fully commit to one. Thanks!
How do I get my hands on some ELR caps? thanks
I'm working on printing some up, I'll make a post when they are shipping.
Dude, you're not going to find neutronium in a White Dwarf. The Pauli Exclusion Principal tells us that electrons don't like to rub up against each other, so they push back and hold up the exposed core of a dead star (aka a White Dwarf).
For neutronium you need a higher mass star, preferably from an O-type, that goes supernova. In that case, the core is much denser and higher mass, so that those electrons can't push back hard enough and gravity crushes them into the protons found in the nucleus. And what happens when negatively charged electrons get smashed into positively charged protons? They form neutrons and this case that giant ball of neutrons is held up by Neutron Degeneracy Pressure. There's also some mind bending stuff happening in Momentum Space...
source: I didn't finish my Astrophysics degree, but I tried.
For neutronium you need a higher mass star, preferably from an O-type, that goes supernova. In that case, the core is much denser and higher mass, so that those electrons can't push back hard enough and gravity crushes them into the protons found in the nucleus. And what happens when negatively charged electrons get smashed into positively charged protons? They form neutrons and this case that giant ball of neutrons is held up by Neutron Degeneracy Pressure. There's also some mind bending stuff happening in Momentum Space...
source: I didn't finish my Astrophysics degree, but I tried.
I don’t care. I want my Neutronium to come from a Dwarf. Preferrably a Black Dwarf.
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Of course you can get neutro
I know it can happen!
I saw it on Stargate... or Star Trek... or something...
Lies!
I know it can happen!
I saw it on Stargate... or Star Trek... or something...
I want some Hortonium. It smells like pee but it lets you see in the dark.
You gotta be a high roller to get that.
I want some straight out the tapYou gotta be a high roller to get that.
Has anyone dealt with Eotech customer service regarding these units? Looking to see if my experience so far is typical. Sent my thermal to them two months ago for them to check out why its collimation is so off and for two months they just give me the run around saying a replacement unit will ship out any day.
They’re having teething pains. Their support really isn’t setup yet to handle these things efficiently. It’ll get there, but early adopters are going to be a bit frustrated until it gets sorted.
If you were a LEA, you’d get the white glove treatment. Individual end users… not so much.
Agreed. It took me a lot of wheedling to get the image software out of them and then they forbade me from sharing it with other owners. Not too bright. I suspect it’s because Eotech is just selling these Theon products so their tech department isn’t yet fully up to speed on how to fix them as they are on their own in-house products.
Now they’re telling me I am not getting a replacement and that it will be shipped to Greece for repairs. Two months in and they are just now sending it off. At this pace I am just hoping to get it back this calendar year…
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Dang man. I feel your pain.
And I thought the horror stories with ATN products were bad.
This does not surprise me. Since these are re-branded units I doubt Eotech is ever going to develop a lot of in-house expertise on their construction or repair. They will serve as a “US service center” for Theon but I imagine any serious fixes will have to be shipped to Greece.
If that is the case, maybe they could institute a "Loaner Program" whereby they have a dedicated "fleet" of units they could loan out to customers to use while their units are on the slow boat for repairs.
I have seen this done in several industries to keep customers satisfied.
I think this has more to do with the xELR than anything. There just weren’t many to begin with and they’re out of production. Any other unit would likely be handled directly.
But I think the only difference between the LR and xELR is just the lens size put on the front.
Everything else should be the same, I think.
AFAIK, the xELR is the only one with the 12um core. All the others are 17um.
Can someone confirm?
I sent my LR in for a collimation issue that developed (perfect when I got it).
I got the same run around and very poor responsiveness for 2 months. I gave them a drop dead date for handing it off to my attorney in 4 days. On day 3 I got tracking information for a new unit.
I’m still a fan of the units, but there are some definite kinks in the QC and CS to be worked out.
This was an LR
I got the same run around and very poor responsiveness for 2 months. I gave them a drop dead date for handing it off to my attorney in 4 days. On day 3 I got tracking information for a new unit.
I’m still a fan of the units, but there are some definite kinks in the QC and CS to be worked out.
This was an LR
Very Very disappointing news. I’ll hold off on any more of they’re products until better news comes out or something changes….
I wouldn’t sound the alarm just yet. This is an entirely new thing for EOTech, and they’ll get things tightened up. Sucks for the moment if you have issues, but it wouldn’t turn me away. If we’re still having the same conversation in 2024, then I’d be more melancholy about it.
Yeah I wouldn’t freak out about this. I guess don’t buy one if you would absolutely need rapid turnaround on a warranty repair. But I don’t think it should surprise anyone with half a brain that Eotech hasn’t duplicated Theon’s entire manufacturing operation here in the US.
Make America Great Again.
Hey fellas, quick question… I currently run the halo XRF. It’s a great image and I enjoy it, but as far as using the reticle on any sort of distance coyote shooting it’s absolute trash. The pixelated image doesn’t hold true, nor does the reticle sub tensions…I’m done with that! So the question:
Would you buy (my current options):
-TIGir 6z for $7,500
-Eotech LR for $9,000
-Some other option??
Again, my experience is in PRS style long range shooting so dialing is preferred. The goal is to take coyotes 400-900 yards.
Thanks in advance for your insight!
Would you buy (my current options):
-TIGir 6z for $7,500
-Eotech LR for $9,000
-Some other option??
Again, my experience is in PRS style long range shooting so dialing is preferred. The goal is to take coyotes 400-900 yards.
Thanks in advance for your insight!
EOTech ELR for $14K.
Used UTC-X for $12K
Voodoo-M for $20K
After that, things drop off precipitously.
TigIR-6Z / EO LR are solid choices.
Used UTC-X for $12K
Voodoo-M for $20K
After that, things drop off precipitously.
TigIR-6Z / EO LR are solid choices.
Thank you for this. I gotta put you on the spot here…
At the two prices listed above, which one would you pick the TIG or the LR?
I went from an XRF to a Super Yoter Clip On to an X-ELR for the exact same purpose. I've killed about 20 in the 400yd range this year with very few misses. Several more past 500 at around 50% hit rate. Beyond that and I'm limited by the gun, not the thermal.
I think you're definitely going to want the X-ELR over the mid range LR EoTech. I can't comment on the others.
Using the day scope for dials and holds worked much better for me vs the XRF.
I've been comparing thermals lately and in an attempt to quantify the differences I've compiled some data. There are clear patterns of pixels/degrees FOV. It seems that the long range, high budget devices approach or exceed 100 pix/deg. Medium range, middle budget fall in either the 72 pix/degree or 51 pix/degree, depending on if you prefer a larger FOV or not. You can see my rough estimations in the attached picture.
This pattern also held true for the new armasight thermals that I've been considering, their 640 4.8-19.2x was 109 pix/deg, 3-12x was 72 pix/deg. The 320 6-24x was 72 pix/deg and 320 3-12x was 36 pix/deg. All at base mags
I'm betting the threshold for bad image quality is around the 12-24 pix/degree mark. My only experience with thermals is an ATN 384 1.25-5x which comes to 24 pix/deg at 1.25, which is pretty much useless beyond 50-100 years and anywhere past 2.5x digital zoom.
This pattern also held true for the new armasight thermals that I've been considering, their 640 4.8-19.2x was 109 pix/deg, 3-12x was 72 pix/deg. The 320 6-24x was 72 pix/deg and 320 3-12x was 36 pix/deg. All at base mags
I'm betting the threshold for bad image quality is around the 12-24 pix/degree mark. My only experience with thermals is an ATN 384 1.25-5x which comes to 24 pix/deg at 1.25, which is pretty much useless beyond 50-100 years and anywhere past 2.5x digital zoom.
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Agreed on the pixels/degFoV. I’ve used it as a metric to compare optical zoom capability in the clipon options out there. A partial screengrab of a spreadsheet I try to fill in whenever a new unit is getting talked about to help place it in my mind for different applications and which units it may be similar to. The “potential zoom” is all proportional based on me feeling like 5x is the top end on the voodoo-s
That's some Fan-cee Ciphering JW. Good stuff.
Throw a Flir PTS 736 in that spreadsheet. It will surprise you where it rates.
Throw a Flir PTS 736 in that spreadsheet. It will surprise you where it rates.
Yep, super tight FoV with the native 6x opticThat's some Fan-cee Ciphering JW. Good stuff.
Throw a Flir PTS 736 in that spreadsheet. It will surprise you where it rates.
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