Maybe that will drive down the price of the x32 Pro's to the point where I feel I can't pass up on the deal regardless of the display issue
I thought the blue tint issue was not present on the 8x32 Kilo..no?
You mean the 10x42 Kilo 10k? If so then the answer is the blue tint is still there.
No, the 8x32 Kilo 6k.
Yes, the optical quality of the new 6K is superior (not the blue tinge) to the 10K
Memo completely bypassed me on this one, I had no idea the 8x32 little brother 6k had "fixed" the blue glass issue of the 10k, is this the same for the 6k 10x42 or only the 6k 8x32 has the new glass?
I think, after looking at images online of the 6k’s display, that it’s like the Vortex Fury’s and not like the cool whiz-bang AMOLED display of the 10k. I really like the latter‘s look.
Well that would be unfortunate, the whole reason for the Sig is the amazing AMOLED display, but I think you are right, it was @BigJimFish who wrote about the AMOLED needing the blue tint for their display IIRC. Well, maybe not "the whole reason" so much with AMOLED but at least having elevation and wind solutions displayed on the same screen without having to scroll through multiple screens to get to them. Can anyone confirm if the Kilo 6k can display elevation and wind solutions together or do you have to scroll?
Is that the only hurdle you see? Reason I am asking is for my use case, I can get by with that.After further investigation, it looks like the 6k's are out, they use the AB Lite which only provides ballistic solutions to 800 yards, no option to upgrade to AB full so I'm going to have to pass on that
For me yes, I would like an all in one solution that is not beholden to my Kestrel. I'm trying to get better at reading wind and not rely so much on shooter location which can be different from wind at POI and in between. If Sig had a 10k UHD type bino with improved glass that might be "the one", but alas they do not and the displays of the Euro big 3 leave something to be desired.
Sigs supposedly working on getting better glass in the 10k line. Not till '24 probably, but they're working on it. They know that the blue hue pisses everyone off. I think the Leica pro 42 is probably the best combo of AB, decent laser and excellent glass. I'm happy with my zeiss victory rf 10x42, excellent glass, ballistics program is actually pretty easy to true up to an AB kestrel, but the laser is blah. Only consistent out to 1100-1200y in good conditions. Snow on ground, Um maybe 5-600y, heavy rain/sleet/snow, maybe 300y. Sig hurry the F up and put near alpha glass in a set of 10ks!
This is correct, I looked at the same thing with the 6k’s. They don’t seem bad though for someone who doesn’t need ballistic data as good as AB on the 10k’s provide.After further investigation, it looks like the 6k's are out, they use the AB Lite which only provides ballistic solutions to 800 yards, no option to upgrade to AB full so I'm going to have to pass on that
I spent some time with the SIG reps and 10k product developer last year at the Cheney, WA NRL Hunter match discussing the blue tint.
Lol, I was literally falling asleep dude, sorry. After the third time I just said “screw it, I’ll finish tomorrow”. Haha, at least it wasn’t drunk posting finished with the ban hammer!
You likely have the 10x42 3200.coms.
You are correct, guess i’ll have to buy the new Pro’s. Thanks for your help
Ummm......3200's have on board sensors for environmentals except for wind. Do the new Pro's have a wind sensor? I solely use my 3200.com's for hunting and love em. A wind sensor would be nice if it coud be done in a practical design.
I don’t have 3200’s, played with my dad’s a bit. Maybe they do have sensors for pressure and temp. I assumed that because they need the kestrel for full Applied Ballistics that they didn’t have sensors but per the manual they claim to have some.
You’re not the only one struggling with this conundrum. Despite all the recent advances in lasers, glass, ballistics, etc; no one has come up with a package that gives us everything we want.
Gotcha thanks. But to be clear for others looking....I use 3200.com's a ton for hunting. They have on board sensors, and provide VERY accurate solutions at range. The Ballistic Solution limit on the range is 1000 yards (Not 800), which for my hunting use is terrific. The only reason to connect to a Kestrel is for wind. I never do that for the reasons you state above. I agree, the BT is a bit poor but not unusable at all.
Glad the 3200’s are working well for you. They have great glass, laser is pretty darn good and for what you do it sounds like they’re great, even the ballistics are working out. Maybe I’ll set up a few profiles in my dads pair for him and forget trying to get them connected to his kestrel.
Right?!? I remember having this same discussion last year about the same players. Sig did a lot right, I have to wonder if they’re coming up with a pair with better glass and working on the tint.
I’m right there with you.
Sig certainly has the wherewithal to produce top glass, but they choose not to play in this game (so far). Vortex already has experience with the glass (Razor, UHD, AMG) but they too have chosen not to go there with LRF Binos. I’d even agree with Verdugo that Leupold has what it takes to produce stellar LRF Binos but none of them have chosen to do so, but, as you mention 406, nothing short of $10k can beat the 10k in performance of the LRF unit so while it’s possible the others were looking at something in the upper glass range they may have had their sails deflated somewhat when Sig announced the 10k. It’s just frustrating that if you want the best LRF unit in binos you have to settle for sucky glass. Sig has seemed determined to convince the shooting community that the glass is good enough, but many would argue otherwise. I’ve been wanting Sig to upgrade their glass for, well… ever since they entered the sport optics game. If Vortex would use the same frame and module as their AB 5000 but with UHD glass I’d think they’d have a number of converts, if they came out with an AB 10000 then even better. The European mfr’s pay too much attention to… the Europeans
and frankly I don’t think they give much consideration to the USA, if they make something that USA shooters want, great, but beyond that I don’t think we’ll see much change there. I have been tempted by the Sig and by the new Leicas but neither give me what I want (which is the marriage between the two - either Sig surprises us with better glass and display tech that doesn’t require blue tint or Leica surprises us with a better display), until then I’m sticking with LRF monocular. SHOT shows keep coming and going and I’m shocked no US mfr has ventured into this market.
Literally the entire first page of google results has units in stock ready to ship when I search "geovid pro 10x42" lol
I wouldn't call it a review but here's a post I made about my initial impressions in another thread. More to follow, probably better suited here anyway.
So I've had the 10x42 Geovid Pro's for about 48 hours after having owned/used the 10x42 EL Range TA's for about 2 years.
Some initial thoughts and findings:
I like the pro's significantly better than the 3200.coms. Maybe it's placebo, but I feel like the buttons are easier to find, I like the glass better, and they seem more comfortable to hold. The Pro app is light years better than the .com app. Not even in the same ballpark. Being able to cancel out of the information ticker for a re-range is a huge improvement that needed to happen; it makes the unit a lot more friendly to use.
Glass in the pro's clarity-wise is basically identical to my swaros from using them side by side. The swaros present the image flatter all the way to the edges and have a more neutral color palette. The pro's have more generous depth of field which keeps your eyes focused on the center of the image; it's kind of hard to explain. This also results in a "lazier" focus on the pro's vice the swaro's which is going to take some getting used to. I'd equate it to using parallax on a Schmidt vs. a ZCO.
The laser on the pro's is the shit. Significantly better than the swaro laser at 1k+. Anything I point it at inside 1500 is basically guaranteed to return. My unit seems to have an aiming point at the 3 o'clock position of the reticle right at the break in the circle. I've been able to range natural terrain (meaning rocks/cliffs/trees) offhand to 3100, and tripod-mounted to about 3575. The wheels seem to fall off at the 3600 mark. I've ranged cattle to just under a mile, about 1670. I wouldn't necessarily call that the max for live animals, I just ran out of distant cows to lase. Like someone said above, the laser seems identical to a Terrapin X. I know leica and vectronix have been in bed together for some time, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was exactly the same between the two units.
I had to pay 150 bucks for AB Elite in the pro's which I am salty about, but without actually shooting with them, all my trued dope off my kestrel is lining up within a tenth of what's being displayed off the binos out to the farthest I tested with the Kestrel which was just shy of a mile.
Bluetooth has worked great thus far. As long as the last paired device is still on, the binos will reconnect to it, meaning even if the binos time out while you're searching for targets you don't have to worry about having to re-pair a kestrel. While paired, you can obviously use the app on your phone which does give a very comprehensive display of your last range, or fill range cards in conjunction with your Kestrel, which plugs in elevation, your preset wind value, and azimuth/direction.
Swaro still has Leica beat on extra hardware and accessories. The carry bag that comes with the pro's is like someone stuffed a gym sock inside a breadbox and slapped a Leica logo on it. Not awesome. The strap attachment method is traditional buckle/loop and not at all snazzy or super-cool like the swaro one. I am also really really missing my swaro forehead rest. Also, no Leica branded soap and brush
More to follow as I get more miles on the pro's, but I really dig them so far. Hopefully those aren't famous last words.
