Siete vs Delta 5 Pro vs AT-X

The AI doesnt belong in the same list with the other two in my opinion.
If you can swing it the AI wont dissapoint, if you dont want to spend that much there are better choices than the other two.

Out of those three the AT-X hands down.

ehaleyjr86 said:

I guess I'm wondering if the AI is $2k better.

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There are rifles the same or less than the other two, that are better.

ehaleyjr86 said:

I guess I'm wondering if the AI is $2k better.

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Scratch the Larue and DD off your list.

If you want a rifle that's competitive with the AT-X, you can certainly build/have one built for you for cheaper (depending on your objectives).

The AT-X is a fine rifle, AI makes high quality rifles. However, they are not for everyone. They are built as a "one size fits most" solution that's designed for military applications. The AT-X just puts an AI rifle in a competition oriented chassis', but its still a military rifle. My gripes with AI is that I hate the ergonomics, the triggers and the bolt lift. Some people love AI, and maybe you are one of them. Only you can decide if the price is worth it, but the quality of their rifles are undoubtedly top tier.

If you want a rifle that is very precise, good for competitions (or whatever your objectives are) and at a good value, then you can definitely build one for cheaper than an AT-X.

Lots of ways to have a rifle with easy change calibers without sticking to over priced or over hyped.

Buy the AT-X if you can afford it. Not a chance I’d buy the other two. Or just build off a custom action like you want it.

ehaleyjr86 said:

I guess I'm wondering if the AI is $2k better.

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It's $3K better...hint

Honestly dont know a whole lot about this one but it checks alot of boxes and has been on my radar.
And it has a dust cover

I would never consider the DD or LaRue at those prices.

If you have heartache over the ATX price my recommendation would be the Seekins HIT.

The ATX fixed a lot of ergonomic issues the AT and AX suffered from. IMHO the only valid complaint now is the heavy bolt lift. I believe AI’s are worth the price of admission and would never consider running anything other.

deadly0311 said:

Out of those three the AT-X hands down.

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I second the AT-x

ehaleyjr86 said:

The dust cover is interesting

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I like it too, were i live now when its windy every orifice of your gear and body has dust and dirt in them.

Buy an AI, or build a custom using a Terminus Zeus QC action and tier one barrel in a quality chassis.

AT-X or a ARC CDG + Prefit + TT 2 stage trigger + chassis of your liking if you don’t want to pay the AI sticker price or if you care about the AI “heavy bolt lift”

ehaleyjr86 said:

Do they have any accuracy guarantee?

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Not that im aware of but most that have to include that might have more issues than ust a claim.
Kelblys didnt offer me an accuracy guarantee for the 6.5CM barrel they chambered for me either and didnt expect one.

Sorry couldnt resist

There are multiple sources for shouldered pre-fits for multiple different actions, even the Origin.

ehaleyjr86 said:

Do they have any accuracy guarantee?

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Seekins are good people. If something is wrong and it doesn’t meet reasonable accuracy requirements they will do you right.

Milf Dots said:

Buy an AI, or build a custom using a Terminus Zeus QC action and tier one barrel in a quality chassis.

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If your a Poor, smash the Easy Button with an Origin, Proof Pre-Fi, KRG Bravo, TT Special.

If your flush with cash, call Mile High or EuroOptic and get the AT-X. If your smart, ask them about used/demo models or the Hide discount….

Rob01 said:

Origin $900
Shouldered Prefit barrel $500-700
Trigger $150-300
Muzzle Brake $150-200
Stock/chassis of choice $?

On high side $2100 before stock/chassis and you can change calibers at home.

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And, with the Origin (and other customs), you can change out the bolt face. Go from 223-6arc-6.5creed-300wsm all on the same platform.

The stock/chassis on the LaRue should have been aborted.

I’d take an origin build before an ai every day of the week.
I’d buy a dd or larue no days of the week.

I’d take a ARC CDG or used Nuke 2.0 over a Origin but otherwise I agree.

spife7980 said:

I’d take an origin build before an ai every day of the week.
I’d buy a dd or larue no days of the week.

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spife7980 said:

I’d take an origin build before an ai every day of the week.
I’d buy a dd or larue no days of the week.

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Funny how subjective things can be, I have 2 TL3's and 2 Origins. Also an AX, in a Vision Chassis, all have their strong and weak points.
Up to the individual to decide, though I honestly can say, none were a mistake to buy (for me!).......

Of the rifles you have mentioned, AI all day long. I really love the AI platform, though I know they are not for everyone. If you can try one out, do it!

AI above all for a production rifle. Like what was said above. DD and Larue offerings are not in the same class. Only time I’ve seen Larue and DD bolt guns were on the 100 yard bench rest being used by “I’m a AR guy rounding off my skills into long rang brah” type of guys

mr_fullmetal said:

AI above all for a production rifle. Like what was said above. DD and Larue offerings are not in the same class. Only time I’ve seen Larue and DD bolt guns were on the 100 yard bench rest being used by “I’m a AR guy rounding off my skills into long rang brah” type of guys

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Ai is too expensive to hit production class, if you just meant for a factory rifle that comes complete and isn’t trying to fit in any class then nvm.

I own two Terminus actions. Quick change Terminus would be the way to go.

AI without even a second to consider it. 100 times better in every way.

If I was given the DD I would sell it. If given the LaRue I would hide it in shame.

This is like asking about scion vs fiat vs Porsche

I’ve owned a delta 5 pro, and currently own an AT-X and AXMC. While the delta 5 pro is definitely not a bad rifle, there are other options which I think would be better for you such as a custom build or the seekins HIT. If you can swing the AI, I would go that route. I’ve never found the AI bolt lift to be heavy, but there are 90 degree actions that are lighter. My main grip with the delta 5 actions is the tolerances, which results in a sloppy bolt that will bind up pretty easily if you don’t drive the bolt perfectly straight. But, in the end I guess complaining about that is similar to complaining about AI’s ‘heavy boltlift’

ehaleyjr86 said:

Do they have any accuracy guarantee?

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Can you shoot good enough to match anyone's accuracy guarantee. I've seen lots of shooters that buy high end rifles and glass and are lucky to shoot 2moa groups, even though the rifle is capable of much better. A good friend is one of them, he's lucky to shoot a one inch group with his AI and Schmidt scope.

Accuracy International hands down if you have the cash. My AI’s all shoot lights out with damn near anything I feed them.

I have a Seekins, I was considering a Master Piece Arms and MDT. I bought the Havak Hit in 6.5 CM and it is now my best shooting rifle. I ordered a 223 Wylde barrel and bolt head from Seekins. It took a little more than a month to get about +/-$500. Went to the range shot my group in 6.5. Then for the first time ever doing it, I changed the barrel and bolt face right there at the range. The barrel is super easy. The bolt is not as easy as it looks in their video. But I was able to do it all in about 10 minute. I think I need a loop of string to reset the bolt.

I went through this same exercise wanting the same thing, barrel changing and for me good zero retention was a major factor as was accessory/aftermarket barrel/caliber availability. If you want to be able to change barrels like it's on sale then you should consider the two rifles on the market that have that as a core design element, the Desert Tech SRS/M2 platform and the Blaser R8 platform.

The SRS is the more affordable option and inexpensive but amazing barrels can be had from E.S. Tactical and more expensive and otherwise unavailable barrels can be had from Short Action Customs. Both do beautiful work. My M2 currently has 5 barrels set up for it. Zero shift from removing and reinstalling barrels is smaller than my ability to test it so far. Unbelievable accuracy from every barrel. Use aftermarket brakes though. DT brakes kinda blow.

The R8 is a really cool rifle but magazine capacity, configuration/accessories limitations and heart stopping cost have it over to one side as better for a hunting gun than for a do-everything gun.

To be clear, price was not a concern for me. The AI ASR, Remington PSR and other packages designed for the Army PSR program were on the table. Nothing changes barrels in the field or at the range as well as a gun made to do that from the ground up.

donald russell said:

Daniel Defense makes a solid rifle in my opinion. I see a lot of people that don't like them, but I have owned several and have nothing bad to say. Most are willing to spend 5 or 10K on a rifle and start changing stuff when they get it.

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Bolt guns or ARs?

donald russell said:

Daniel Defense makes a solid rifle in my opinion. I see a lot of people that don't like them, but I have owned several and have nothing bad to say. Most are willing to spend 5 or 10K on a rifle and start changing stuff when they get it.

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10K on a rifle? I don't think so, I can buy a top of the line action, barrel, trigger and chassis for less than 5 K. Don't think I'd need to change anything either. Another 3K gets you a really nice scope and rings as well.

donald russell said:

A lot of people also comment on stuff that they do not research. Check out this link https://www.milehighshooting.com/accuracy-international/. I buy TAP ammo from these guys and I really trust them. So, know what you are talking about before you attack me chachi. I am pretty sure that the man that started this thread is looking for a gun that he can easily change barrels on.

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I imagine most on here know about Mile High shooting. I can easily change the barrel on my impact and tikka actions. Can also be done with any other action that takes a prefit shouldered barrel or one that uses a nut like a Savage. Used to do my Savage on my kitchen counter. Easy Peasy with a vise and an action wrench. Haven't changed the Impact yet but I've done a few tikkas without issue. With shouldered prefits available, I just clamp the action in a vice with soft jaws and screw the barrel off. Screw a new prefit on it and I'm done in minutes. You can certainly spend a lot more on an AI, it won't shoot any better at twice the price. A buddy of mine has one in 300 win mag. No way I'd spend double the money to have an AI over an Impact or Lone Peak action. How often do you change barrels?

donald russell said:

Here is my deal. I am 49, spent 10 of that in the Air Force as an F15E crew chief. Used to hunt as a kid until my mom was killed so I traded guns for dope and alcohol. The Military saved my life. Crew Chiefs only qualify on rifles every 2 years and never on pistols. I was out from 2007 to 2016 before even shooting a gun again. I don't know much at all about guns, but what I do know I have had to teach myself. I didn't mean to attack you if that is how it came off and I am not beholden to Daniel Defense. I deal with companies that I can form a relationship with, and so far, that is DD, Nightforce, Magpul, U.S. Optics, and whoever gives me a Veterans discount. I joined this site to learn. To answer your question, I have changed barrels twice on my Delta 5 Pro. I went from 6mm CM to a proof research .308, and now it has a 6.5 CM and I haven't even shot the gun yet.

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No worries, we all started somewhere, I started with a Savage LRP in 6.5 CM. It's also had a 7-08 , 7 saum, and now a .223 barrel on it. It will stay a 223 from now on. With the savage and some other actions you can change the bolt head to match as well so you don't need a new bolt. Since you were a crew chief you have some mechanical experience. Changing a barrel on a regular action isn't difficult and doesn't take long. I'd suggest shooting it more and changing barrels less. I didn't really feel like I had learned to shoot decent and read wind till I had about 1000 rounds through the barrel. But then I shoot with a club that has a few members that can or have won a national PRS match and a bunch more that will out shoot them if they have an off day. Just being pretty decent puts you mid pack.