^^^ This right here. Only Browning and Winchester rifles are available currently and same with ammunition. It is what the 270 WSM should have been but it seems like it is going to remain pretty obscure. If you were a reloader than it wouldn't matter but you're going to be limited with options. The 6.5 PRC has exploded and is very prolific.
Oh ok do you have a factory action? And I would probably go with a prc I had one and liked it a lot just couldn’t find ammo and I was impatient so I sold it lol….6.8 western is cool but even browning and Winchester aren’t supporting it… they are talking about a faster twist 270 so that should tell you something
Was looking at Alamo rifles with defiance. Open to other ideas.
Will do. Thanks!
oh ok I didn’t know what your creed was.. if it was custom you could just get a new barrel and bolt and be good to go… as far as actions go there all good just find one that has what you want and buy it.
Alamo builds great rifles.
Thanks. I was going to buy a ready to ship one, so I didn't have any action options. That being said, I don't have any real history with bolt guns so I figured I would be more that happy with the Defiance.... although I don't particularly care for the new owner there.
I was watching a podcast about that very thing. Whether it is advisable or not to continue investing in 6.8 Western. In this case, 6.5 CM would be the way to for sheer tonnage of ammo and parts availability.
No offense, but this comment sounds like a Hornady add. The 7prc holds 30gr more powder than a 308 and is pushing equal weight bullets in a smaller bore at higher velocity. Equals MORE recoil. The ballistics of a 65, 7 and 300 are all damn near the same elevation and drift. This was their purpose. A 7rem mag and a 7prc are ballistic twins, are you saying it behaves like a 308 too? Truthfully all the prc cases out run a 300wm ballistically, it's old, belted and FACTORY ammo is watered down low bc junk in most cases.
I belevie that 6.5 PRC is the correct choice between the two. I don't have a source but seem to remember hearing that Hornady has refused to support 6.8 Western. I suspect that it is too close to the 6.5PRC. Also, you can get good brass for the 6.5 PRC (Lapua, Peterson, ADG, etc.) and you can't for the 6.8.
Awesome info. Thank you
I have been getting mine on Gunbroker. I have about 80 rounds left from a 100 rd shipment and I just received another 200 rounds at about $3.something per round.
And I saw Gunwerks pres's son bring down an elk with a 7 RM at 1376 yards.
One of the reasons I am following the 7 PRC fairly closely is I am a real fan of the 7RM and the PRC seems like more of that goodness but modernized.
just cause it can...
Yes, it certainly can. And did. To be fair, though, the son was always practicing on the 1,000 yard range. So, this is not his first long distance shot.
doesn't mean it should
Explain. Is this about long range? Then what is your decided limit of range on hunting an animal? Not being sarcastic, combative, just want to know. If it is less than 100 yards, well, that is fine for shooting in Aunt Mame's bean field.
more that gunwerks needs to promote and show their rifles are capable of kills at distances at which most of their clients shouldn't be shooting game. and that's their prerogative. it sells stupid expensive overpriced gunpackages.
except target bullets kill shit dead...quick
as long as it's a savage? right?
A 7prc holds 82gr powder, a 7mag, depending on brass make is 83-86gr. At equal psi, that's another 20-30fps. As I said earlier, they're ballistic twins. Hornady ammo is loaded down, I forsee Peterson brass will allow everyone to throttle it up a bit. No flies on the 7mag, my brother shoots a custom long throat pushing 180 hyb at 3040 with N565.
Yes and no. The 7RM is a fine chambering and you can get a custom barrel, custom throat, and load it up to be on par with the 7PRC. But what you can't do is fit it into a standard long action and magazine. This is where the 7PRC shines, not because its performance is amazing but because it meets all the criteria in factory guns with factory ammuntion. Of course you can seat your bullets closer to the lands and add a little more powder to get max performance. With the proper twist in the factory barrels you can push the 180s - which you can't do with the 7RM.
It is the wiser choice if you are considering ammo availability.
You did not answer my question but I am used to that, by now.
I'm really giving the Gunwerks crew the benefit of the doubt: 180gr .284cal 0.345 G7 @ 3,000fps MV
You almost answered the question but not quite. And, FWIW, I would not take that far a shot, myself. But my question is still not answered.
Ethical to me is 100% ability to hit a 6-12" target (vital size) with absolute certainty in any possibility of absolutely horrible conditions while maintaining minimum acceptable energy for the animal in discussion and minimum acceptable velocity for bullet expansion. And the opposite end of that is super close range...too fast and too close for the bullet construction. Again defining minimum requirement for energy is up for debate too.
No, it is not 1,200 yards, it’s ~800 yards
But but but the kids shoot 24” plates @ 1,000
