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Customs & Border Patrol picks the AI Modular Precision Weapon's Platform

Haney said:
Funny nobody has realized there is more than one border .
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If just talking Border Patrol, over 85% of agents are assigned to the SW Border. Less than 15% are spread out amongst the Norther Border, Coastal Borders, and places like DC and other non border assignments.

So, there's only one section of the border that merits much of a discussion.
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
They should be shooting the barrels out 4 times a year, but I'd be willing ti bet they will get 100 rounds of training ammo a year, and therebwill be cobwebs in the barrels by the time they get back to the range.
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I guess you missed Terry Cross’ post about their training 😂

If anyone here has a clue about how much they shoot it’s him.

You continue to post some really dumb shit.
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
Yea, I did my interview with 3 CBP agents at Harrisburg international airport in PA. Old salty dudes.

The northern boarder is a joke. Its easier to get into Canada than it is visa versa.

They also setup checkpoints many miles from the boarder, violating the civil rights of American Citizens who have the audacity to travel within 150 miles of the border.

They refuse to do the job they were sworn to, Refuse to uphold US law and the constitution and allow this country to be invaded by terrorists, illegals and drugs that are killing our citizens and destroying our quality of life.

Customs is not Border Patrol. Got a buddy who is a customs agent in Baltimore. Was the biggest Pothead in college, but that's a different story. Their mission is clear and separate from Border Patrol.

Border Patrol has one job. Administer the boarder. They get involved in shit they have no business being apart of when you have other agencies who cover that domain, be in DEA, FBI, DOI, USMS, Customs ,ect ect.

I don't know if I would use Uvalde as an example for success in any aspect, unless you are a mass murderer. Any one of the LE with a set of balls could have ended before a guy from over an hour away got there.

There were BORTAC guys in afg and iraq. Amazing they had the time to come to a combat zone and try to stop drug smuggling in foreign nation, but cant be bothered to do it here.
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This is why no one actually takes you seriously here. You get triggered emotionally and just start ranting about things you clearly have no actual knowledge of.

"I met a BORTAC guy once." LOL
 
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Rio Precision Gunworks said:
This is why no one actually takes you seriously here. You get triggered emotionally and just start ranting about things you clearly have know actual knowledge of.
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You’ll never convince him he’s wrong about anything he’s made up in his mind. He’s 100% certain that CBP agents should be issues nothing but binoculars to watch tortilla people cross the border.
 
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The TLDR:

These rifles will only be for a small % of Agents in specialty units. And unless you're specifically looking, you'll likely never see any of those units mentioned or shown in mainstream media.

These aren't for anyone you're going to see in the background of a news piece about all the families and other such stuff at the border.
 
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Oldloser said:
What a waste of money. One out of 20 of the guys issued this will be able to shoot up to its level and it won't be useful in the majority of scenarios as a semi-auto would.

A Seekins SP10 would have been about 15% of the cost and far more maintainable and match the scenarios/training level.
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- Bolt guns are easier to shoot that gas guns

- Gas guns require more maintenance than bolt guns

- You're assuming the end user of these rifles doesn't have a gas gun option sitting in their unit as well


Could you describe what scenario you believe the end user of this rifle is going to see? Do you think border engagement distances are the same as most domestic LE agency distances?
 
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Turkeytider said:
I worked for a few government agencies in my time and there would have been holy hell to pay if we didn`t have an open bid process. Maybe things have changed.
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Then you would know what a SB set aside, sba and things like Hub zone, 7a, ect are. Percentage of all gov contracts have to be apart of these programs for an agency to stay in compliance. Open bidding and fairness sound great on paper or in the courtroom but that's not reality. The regs are written in a way you can get what you want by framing the porcurement. The very best contracting pros can get a end user what they want while navigating the red tape.
 
DeathBeforeDismount said:
Rich coming from you. Never did I said I met a bortac guy but don't let facts get in the way of your ego
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Then you would know what a SB set aside, sba and things like Hub zone, 7a, ect are. Percentage of all gov contracts have to be apart of these programs for an agency to stay in compliance. Open bidding and fairness sound great on paper or in the courtroom but that's not reality. The regs are written in a way you can get what you want by framing the porcurement. The very best contracting pros can get a end user what they want while navigating the red tape.
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Can you give us your thoughts on whether or not a AI is a good rifle? asking for a friend
 
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Then you would know what a SB set aside, sba and things like Hub zone, 7a, ect are. Percentage of all gov contracts have to be apart of these programs for an agency to stay in compliance. Open bidding and fairness sound great on paper or in the courtroom but that's not reality. The regs are written in a way you can get what you want by framing the porcurement. The very best contracting pros can get a end user what they want while navigating the red ta
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
Rich coming from you. Never did I said I met a bortac guy but don't let facts get in the way of your ego
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One thing that has never been in short supply here on SH is ego. Grace, civility, a modicum of humility?.......not so much.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
I guess you missed Terry Cross’ post about their training 😂

If anyone here has a clue about how much they shoot it’s him.

You continue to post some really dumb shit.
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So we're going to do this again? I need to drag your fucking limp corpse in front of all of these nice people?

Do you know what authority bias is?

I don't know who Terry Cross is, nor do I give a shit. I'm going to blow your mind here. My real name isn't "hecouldgoallltheway".

I'll tell you what though, you can share with us, or have your boy Terry do it, since he's the authority on this subject, a few instances of border patrol snipers stacking bodies. Post them here, I'll wait. Now, since we've already established that the closest you've come to any type of operation, military or police, is larping on the weekends with your overpriced m110 clone, you don't know that training budgets are directly tied to operational tempo. So, despite what Terry cross said, if you can show us how those BP snipers are slaying, I'll start listening. Go ahead, post here.
 
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Rio Precision Gunworks said:
- Bolt guns are easier to shoot that gas guns

- Gas guns require more maintenance than bolt guns

- You're assuming the end user of these rifles doesn't have a gas gun option sitting in their unit as well


Could you describe what scenario you believe the end user of this rifle is going to see? Do you think border engagement distances are the same as most domestic LE agency distances?
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Amen on all points, but especially on the red highlighted bullet point. (Pun intended)
I have seen it mentioned a couple times on this site that since the bullet leaves the barrel before anything else happens on a gas gun, there is no difference between shooting a bolt gun vs gas gun. But somehow the PRS and precision competition crowds mainly choose bolt guns over gas guns. :ROFLMAO:
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
So we're going to do this again? I need to drag your fucking limp corpse in front of all of these nice people?

Do you know what authority bias is?

I don't know who Terry Cross is, nor do I give a shit. I'm going to blow your mind here. My real name isn't "hecouldgoallltheway".

I'll tell you what though, you can share with us, or have your boy Terry do it, since he's the authority on this subject, a few instances of border patrol snipers stacking bodies. Post them here, I'll wait. Now, since we've already established that the closest you've come to any type of operation, military or police, is larping on the weekends with your overpriced m110 clone, you don't know that training budgets are directly tied to operational tempo. So, despite what Terry cross said, if you can show us how those BP snipers are slaying, I'll start listening. Go ahead, post here.
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An expert on everything long range and snipery that doesn’t know who Terry Cross is 😂

You continue to show what a fool you really are.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
An expert on everything long range and snipery that doesn’t know who Terry Cross is 😂

You continue to show what a fool you really are.
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I'm sorry that I don't worship men. I'm not an expert on anything on God's earth. I am not a sniper anymore, nor do I care who is in that world now. I worked at McDonald's one time when I was about 14, and if I swing through there now, I'm not interested in their operation, I just want my coffee and to be left alone. I didn't notice any border patrol sniper stories in your post.
 
FredHammer said:
Amen on all points, but especially on the red highlighted bullet point. (Pun intended)
I have seen it mentioned a couple times on this site that since the bullet leaves the barrel before anything else happens on a gas gun, there is no difference between shooting a bolt gun vs gas gun. But somehow the PRS and precision competition crowds mainly choose bolt guns over gas guns. :ROFLMAO:
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A unit such as BORTAC, with operators that people here claim get the best training and range time.

Does that matter? Saying a bolt gun is easier to shoot is absolutely true. To a trained professional who does this for a living, I think they probably can learn to run a semi auto proficiently . No different than US mil snipers.

In this context a bolt gun being easier to shoot is irreverent.
 
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308pirate said:
Well here's one thing BORTAC does

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They stashed his ass about 30 minutes from where I am sitting. I was in high school at the time and we used to do stuff at wye institute. It was shut down for a while until his illegal ass got sent packing.

You got HRT , FBI regional, Each office has a tac team, plus State, locals, USMS, ect. There is zero reason why Border patrol should be doing hits/raids. But everyone wants their piece of the pie, no matter how impractical and stupid it is. Doing shit hundreds of miles from the boarder, in Afganistan or at large events in DC is not within Border patrols mission. Talk about mission creep. Everything they are doing, there is already an agency tasked with that mission.

They shouldn't even exist.

The unit was first formed in 1984 to deal with disturbances occurring within Immigration and Naturalization Service detention facilities, but this mission is now handled by the U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE), Enforcement & Removal Operations (ERO), Special Response Teams (SRT). Since its inception BORTAC has steadily expanded its scope and mission capabilities, and is now a rapid response unit capable of executing both foreign and national level domestic operations. BORTAC members have operated in 28 countries around the world. Missions have included international training/advisory functions, counter terrorism operations, counter narcotics operations, high-risk warrant service, dignitary protection, interdiction & patrol operations, and tactical training to other U.S. agencies and military units.
 
redneckbmxer24 said:
An expert on everything long range and snipery that doesn’t know who Terry Cross is 😂

You continue to show what a fool you really are.
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I'm sure there are a ton of people in the communities who don't know who Terry is. He is an awesome dude with a ton of experience and knowledge, but is not a public figure. Just because someone doesn't know who someone is doesn't mean they are full of shit. Not that he isin't full of shit, just making the point.
 
FredHammer said:
Irony. You want to school people on being intellectual, but you use retard phrases like "General Consensus". Unless you are talking about some Roman general from back in the day, a consensus is general! What's next? "What's your estimated ETA?" Then a reference to the Iliad?
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I see you woke up drunk again . Have you ever seen a border patrol in real life ? Or a rifle for that matter ?
 
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Haney said:
I see you woke up drunk again . Have you ever seen a border patrol in real life ? Or a rifle for that matter ?
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I don't know what's worse...admitting being outwitted by a drunk, or you already exceeding your intellectual capacity to formulate a viable argument and thus resorting to a sophomoric comment.
 
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FredHammer said:
I don't know what's worse...admitting being outwitted by a drunk, or you already exceeding your intellectual capacity to formulate a viable argument and thus resorting to a sophomoric comment.
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Low self esteem ? Something has you all fucked . You are like the kid that gets the shit beat out of him all the time and never catches on . Losing all the time must suck .

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Terry Cross said:
BORTAC arguably has the best sniper schools/programs in the country. Ditto on their tracking school. Their PT standards and selection process are top shelf... You will not see these rifles outside of BORTAC for quite some time if ever.
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+1 There are apparently some fools in this thread that just don't listen...:LOL::ROFLMAO:

<now back to your regularly scheduled programming>

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Haney said:
I have talked to several BP at the range and in the shop about this thread and the rifle . One had seen this thread already . He thought this was some kind of fantasy gaming site at first . General consensus about the speculation and bullshit about the subject was ...where the hell do these keyboard cowboys come up with this shit ? They also wanted me to post this link .

careers

www.cbp.gov www.cbp.gov

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This is funny.

CBP has to be the most “cucked” agency out there.

What the fuck do they do?

It’s not securing the border for sure.
 
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All this arguing about what Border Patrol does or doesn’t do is uhhh really enlightening.

I don’t know what BORTAC exists for, or what they do. I think they’re receiving some very fine equipment and I hope it gives good service to them. I’m certainly happy with my longer version so far.

What I am very concerned about is US Border Patrol not doing their damn duty! They’re not paying enough attention to the northern border. Too many of those filthy Canukistani’s are sneaking into our country. They’re practically communists for God’s sake, communists! You see it up near the border, people saying “eh” too much and “sorry”. You can’t make it through a four way stop if you’re not first in line because 4 Canukistani’s are up there trying to out polite each other and have the other guys go first, creating a mile long traffic jam in all directions. People literally starving to death in their cars waiting to get through. Worse yet they’re corrupting our food, order some French fries and they come out covered in brown gravy and damned cheese curds! What in the holy hell is this shit?! I’m from ‘Murica you pinko commie bastards! Where’s my damn ketchup!

The end game is near, those Canukistani’s are going to replace us all and ruin our country! Soon there will be fucking Tim Horton’s all over the place. What is a Tim Horton’s you ask? It’s like a Dunkin Donuts with Down syndrome, a Tim Horton’s can even manage to make a Krispi Kreme look good in comparison and Krispi Kreme is the Dollar Store of donuts.

All because US Border Patrol won’t keep out those damn Canadians.
 
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RUN8 said:
All this arguing about that Border Patrol does or doesn’t do is uhhh really enlightening.

I don’t know what BORTAC exists for, or what they do. I think they’re receiving some very fine equipment and I hope it gives good service to them. I’m certainly happy with my longer version so far.

What I am very concerned about is US Border Patrol not doing their damn duty! They’re not paying enough attention to the northern border. Too many of those filthy Canukistani’s are sneaking into our country. They’re practically communists for God’s sake, communists! You see it up near the border, people saying “eh” too much and “sorry”. You can’t make it through a four way stop if you’re not first in line because 4 Canukistani’s are up there trying to out polite each other and have the other guys go first, creating a mile long traffic jam in all directions. People literally starving to death in their cars waiting to get through. Worse yet they’re corrupting our food, order some French fries and they come out covered in brown gravy and damned cheese curds! What in the holy hell is this shit?! I’m from ‘Murica you pinko commie bastards! Where’s my damn ketchup!

The end game is near, those Canukistani’s are going to replace us all and ruin our country! Soon there will be fucking Tim Horton’s all over the place. What is a Tim Horton’s you ask? It’s like a Dunkin Donuts with Down syndrome, a Tim Horton’s can even manage to make a Krispi Kreme look good in comparison and Krispi Kreme is the Dollar Store of donuts.

All because US Border Patrol won’t keep out those damn Canadians.
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You must be dickmounts BONGTAC college roommate that boned his girlfriend.

Also Canadians suck. I live in FL so I know. There’s a border for a reason. Tortillas > Maple leaves.
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
You must be dickmounts BONGTAC college roommate that boned his girlfriend.
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Depends on what his definition of girlfriend is.

If he means a girl that is/was romantically involved with him, the answer is no.

If he means a girl that was not aware of or chose to ignore him, that was also reliably getting more dick than a urinal… while he watched and obsessed from afar….. I have no comment, just a prescription for some antibiotics.
 
Turkeytider said:
Oh? Is it not so? And I think there`s a few more that might agree! No worries! Makes for fun ( and sometimes rather childish ) exchanges, don`t you think?
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Ergh, I'm going to go stay with my mother until you can be mature and we can have a conversation as adults
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
Then you would know what a SB set aside, sba and things like Hub zone, 7a, ect are. Percentage of all gov contracts have to be apart of these programs for an agency to stay in compliance. Open bidding and fairness sound great on paper or in the courtroom but that's not reality. The regs are written in a way you can get what you want by framing the porcurement. The very best contracting pros can get a end user what they want while navigating the red tape.
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This is very true about framing the procurement. Had a buddy that was a contracting officer in Ranger Batt and dudes wanted a specific type of protein shake. 1st bid some Small Business won it and supplied them with Met-RX small powder packets. Dudes were pissed cause they had to mix their protein and that shit was lumpy. 2nd go round my buddy did his research cause dudes wanted those premixed gatorade protein shakes and it has a specific protein used in it and he wrote the procurement for pre-mixed, ready to consume protein shakes with xyz protein in it. Some SB won and sent them pallets of those things at super jacked up prices.
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
So we're going to do this again? I need to drag your fucking limp corpse in front of all of these nice people?

Do you know what authority bias is?

I don't know who Terry Cross is, nor do I give a shit. I'm going to blow your mind here. My real name isn't "hecouldgoallltheway".

I'll tell you what though, you can share with us, or have your boy Terry do it, since he's the authority on this subject, a few instances of border patrol snipers stacking bodies. Post them here, I'll wait. Now, since we've already established that the closest you've come to any type of operation, military or police, is larping on the weekends with your overpriced m110 clone, you don't know that training budgets are directly tied to operational tempo. So, despite what Terry cross said, if you can show us how those BP snipers are slaying, I'll start listening. Go ahead, post here.
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Terry Cross | Instructor | ALTUS Shooting Solutions

Terry Cross is truly one of the legends of our sport! Terry was born in East Texas and grew up in rural Louisiana and was introduced to formal rifle and pistol competitions in 1976.
www.altusshooting.com www.altusshooting.com
 
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LeftyJason said:

Terry Cross | Instructor | ALTUS Shooting Solutions

Terry Cross is truly one of the legends of our sport! Terry was born in East Texas and grew up in rural Louisiana and was introduced to formal rifle and pistol competitions in 1976.
www.altusshooting.com www.altusshooting.com
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I read this biography after the above discussion. I'm sure he's a fine human being. I have no issue with Terry Cross or anyone else, but I'll forget his name again as soon as I'm finished typing this message.
 
Hecouldgoalltheway said:
I read this biography after the above discussion. I'm sure he's a fine human being. I have no issue with Terry Cross or anyone else, but I'll forget his name again as soon as I'm finished typing this message.
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That's too bad. Maybe you're just bad at remembering names. In the sport and profession of long range shooting, his is a name worth remembering. Every sport has a few names like that. Dale Earnhardt for racing, for instance.
 
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That's too bad. Maybe you're just bad at remembering names. In the sport and profession of long range shooting, his is a name worth remembering. Every sport has a few names like that. Dale Earnhardt for racing, for instance.
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Dale Earnhardt?

Never heard of her.
 
This thread is awesome, like the Bear Pit discussions. Quite the display of character…

BORTAC will be happy to have this rifle, whether they buy 17 or 500. And, their guys know how to shoot just fine.

The supposition that this selection is a bad choice because it precludes weapon commonality with other agencies/units is asinine. For ten years while carrying the HS Precision I’ve operated with, trained with, and trained snipers from all kinds of units all over the country and different weapons and scopes have never gotten in the way. Well, there was that one guy with the Browning A-Bolt in 300 WSM with the 1/8 MOA Barska…. He got beat up that week, but the rest of us had a good time watching! An AI in 308 is not uncommon in the LE world these days.

BORTAC will be thrilled and well served with this rifle. The rest of us envious.
 
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This thread is awesome, like the Bear Pit discussions. Quite the display of character…

BORTAC will be happy to have this rifle, whether they buy 17 or 500. And, their guys know how to shoot just fine.

The supposition that this selection is a bad choice because it precludes weapon commonality with other agencies/units is asinine. For ten years while carrying the HS Precision I’ve operated with, trained with, and trained snipers from all kinds of units all over the country and different weapons and scopes have never gotten in the way. Well, there was that one guy with the Browning A-Bolt in 300 WSM with the 1/8 MOA Barska…. He got beat up that week, but the rest of us had a good time watching! An AI in 308 is not uncommon in the LE world these days.

BORTAC will be thrilled and well served with this rifle. The rest of us envious.
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But but the BORTAC agents gonna get killed in da’ streets if their precision rifle can’t interchange parts with other agencies precision rifles!

Plus it’s common knowledge that bolt action rifles are very difficult to operate from one model to another. When the chips are down how can we expect a BORTAC agent or one of his colleagues in another organization to figure out how to make a super complicated bolt action rifle go bang if he’s not specifically trained on that exact model? Our LEO’s and .mil guys are far far too dim witted to figure out how to operate a 3 position safety on an AI vs a two position on an M700. Much less figure out a magazine release. Remembering how to operate the bolt is already too taxing for most of them.
 
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Has anyone seen one of these guns in the wild?

Keen to see what optic and mount they went with and what reticle is in the 5-25 ATACR.... because we all know it's an ATACR
 
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