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T1x Upgrade or Replace witch Vudoo/Anschutz

How should I upgrade my T1x

  • Do nothing

    Votes: 5 17.2%

  • Buy a 20" T1x

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Prefit IBI/LW barrel

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Bartlein blank/smith installed barrel

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Vudoo/RimX

    Votes: 21 72.4%

  • Anscutz 54 Action

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Anschutz 1761 Action

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Total voters
    29
beetroot

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TLDR; will buying a Bartlein blank and have a smith rebarrel my T1x get me Vudoo/Anschutz accuracy or will I just be wasting money?

I've been shooting my 16" T1x ever since they first came to market.
For the most part I've been extremely happy with it, I've never had feeding or reliability issues (well ignoring broken firingpins), the action is super slick and with the Sterk bolt handlee is very quick to cycle, magazine changes are also very quick and easy (much quicker than with the single stack CZ mags).

My only complaints are that I've struggled to get stellar accuracy/repeatability at distance (200yards+) and the barrel profile/length doesn't allow me to get a heavy yet balanced rifle.

I know the #1 barrier to accuracy is ammo and I've had plenty of "fun" lot testing ammo over my years of ownership.
Assuming good ammo that is lot tested, I'm guessing barrel quality is the next major factor in ultimate possible accuracy?
22 Benchrest seems to be dominated by worked CZs, Annies and Vudoos/RimXs rifle, with no particular brand being the obvious best choice, I'm guessing this is all down to the barrels more than anything else. Worked CZs usually have a custom barrel, Vudoos a bartlein/Ace barrel, and Anschutz are Anschutz.

It seems like the common denominator in super accurate rifles is a quality barrel matched with batch tested ammo.
I recently discovered that Bartlein do 1:16 22rf barrel blanks and started wondering if this could be the solution I'm looking for considering I like everything about the T1x other than the barrel it would seem.

My other options are:
-Buy a 20" T1x: The little bit extra weight and barrel length may be good enough, definetely the safest option as can re-sell if no improvement over my 16".
-Prefit LW/IBI barrel: I'm not in the USA so this will be expensive and I've read mixed reviews.
-Buy an Vudoo/RimX: Probaby the easiest "guarranteed" improvement but crazy money locally.
-Buy an Anschutz: Considerably cheaper than a Vudoo/RimX but the lack of people using them in matches makes we wonder if the Vudoo is just a better option for PRS/NRL type shooting.
-Buy an Anszhutz 1761: Seems like Anschutz wants this to be their new action going forward, but very few users.
 
From the posts about it here the ones needing a lot of effort to get them removed and installed seem to be more common than those who were able to just slap one in.

www.snipershide.com

Tikka T1X

Beat the rain today and got out for a little practice this afternoon! Wind wasn't bad but it was a little shifty, was able to get hits out to 300 after figuring out my adjustment...15mils.
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6.5SH said:
From the posts about it here the ones needing a lot of effort to get them removed and installed seem to be more common than those who were able to just slap one in.

www.snipershide.com

Tikka T1X

Beat the rain today and got out for a little practice this afternoon! Wind wasn't bad but it was a little shifty, was able to get hits out to 300 after figuring out my adjustment...15mils.
www.snipershide.com www.snipershide.com
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Heat is key to replacing T1X barrels. The grub screws and barrel are glued in. Feeding may suffer. Mine does if I don’t run the bolt pulling up when sliding back and pushing down when sliding forward. A chassis with an adjustable mag catch seems to be an important part of most custom 22LR builds. I would go Vudoo or Ultimatum.
 
Where outside of the US are you ?

The IBI prefits are available in Australia.
 
Drew M said:
Where outside of the US are you ?

The IBI prefits are available in Australia.
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New Zealand, it's probably no easier to get one from Australia than it is direct from Canada.
Probably more difficult if anything.
 
Not downplaying your shooting ability at all, but on a serious note, you may find that a huge key to consistent long range accuracy is a MDT Send-it level. I have owned multiple flavors of all actions and I’ll be damned if it wasn’t some guy behind the trigger setting me up for failure.
 
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Quality of the barrel is one thing but I think the quality of the gunsmith is the main factor. Rimfire isn't like center-fire where you follow some SAAMI spec and do some freebore manipulation. There's a lot of weird voodoo magic in the rimfire chambers and a lot of the renowned smiths keep the secret sauce to themselves. The tinkering with engraving, leade angle, headspacing, firing pin tuning, etc...

My Tikka T1X shot very very well, and I don't think my factory Vudoo necessarily beats it by much. The main factor was the light 16" barrel and also I had ejection issues with that spring ejector that I hated.

Being in NZ though is rough, so I don't have any good suggestions. I think with the right chassis, you can get the balance down with weights.

If I had to bet on factory consistency and good accuracy, I'd probably go for the Vudoo or a CZ 457 MTR. I don't have experience with Anschutz. But there's a whole lot more selection of chassis for CZ and Remington700 patterns.
 
littlepod said:
Quality of the barrel is one thing but I think the quality of the gunsmith is the main factor. Rimfire isn't like center-fire where you follow some SAAMI spec and do some freebore manipulation. There's a lot of weird voodoo magic in the rimfire chambers and a lot of the renowned smiths keep the secret sauce to themselves. The tinkering with engraving, leade angle, headspacing, firing pin tuning, etc...

My Tikka T1X shot very very well, and I don't think my factory Vudoo necessarily beats it by much. The main factor was the light 16" barrel and also I had ejection issues with that spring ejector that I hated.

Being in NZ though is rough, so I don't have any good suggestions. I think with the right chassis, you can get the balance down with weights.

If I had to bet on factory consistency and good accuracy, I'd probably go for the Vudoo or a CZ 457 MTR. I don't have experience with Anschutz. But there's a whole lot more selection of chassis for CZ and Remington700 patterns.
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Thanks.
There is a NZ based shooting forum that I can ask for any known 22 gunsmiths.

I find it very suprising that Anschutzis basically an unknown name in the new precision rimfire game, especially when they basically rule the roost in every other rimfire field.
It must be becasue Anschutz are comparatively more expensive in the USA and with the local R700 pattern rifle being readily available theres no reason not to just go Vudoo.

If I had an unlimited budget I'd just go Vudoo.
But as all my other rifles are Tikkas is seems logical to stick with a Tikka base if it's feasable.

I guess a "proper" rebarrel rather than just a prefit is probably a path worth going down, it seems to work for CZs so unless there is something inherinetly wrong with the T1x there's no good reason why it shouldn't be an improvement.
 
littlepod said:
Being in NZ though is rough, so I don't have any good suggestions. I think with the right chassis, you can get the balance down with weights.
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I should've added I also just want a longer barrel for the whole velocity consistency thing.

I've done some of my own testing and found that a long barrel does indeed reduce the ES/SD I was getting with a variety of ammo types.
I also had a horrible experience with a partcular batch of Eley that shot absolutely horribly in my T1x that had me chasing my tail for months, and well long story short my CZ452 with a 22" barrel didn't give me the same troubles.

I did think about just buy a CZ457 or doing some work to my 452 but having used the CZ in a few matches I just like everything about the Tikka more. If nothing else the mag changes and ejection relaibity with my Tikka are worlds appart.
 
If you have the money just buy a Vudoo and be done, Bartlein 22" MTU or 24" 1.20"...I went 22" MTU because I did not want to wait for the 1.20" barrels to come in.
 
beetroot said:
Thanks.
There is a NZ based shooting forum that I can ask for any known 22 gunsmiths.

I find it very suprising that Anschutzis basically an unknown name in the new precision rimfire game, especially when they basically rule the roost in every other rimfire field.
It must be becasue Anschutz are comparatively more expensive in the USA and with the local R700 pattern rifle being readily available theres no reason not to just go Vudoo.

If I had an unlimited budget I'd just go Vudoo.
But as all my other rifles are Tikkas is seems logical to stick with a Tikka base if it's feasable.

I guess a "proper" rebarrel rather than just a prefit is probably a path worth going down, it seems to work for CZs so unless there is something inherinetly wrong with the T1x there's no good reason why it shouldn't be an improvement.
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I think as soon as these start showing up at matches and if good shooters get wins with them you'll start seeing Anschutz more:

www.anschutznorthamerica.com

NRL / PRS Models

[email protected] Technical Questions Contact Form
www.anschutznorthamerica.com
 
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beetroot said:
Thanks.
There is a NZ based shooting forum that I can ask for any known 22 gunsmiths.

I find it very suprising that Anschutzis basically an unknown name in the new precision rimfire game, especially when they basically rule the roost in every other rimfire field.
It must be becasue Anschutz are comparatively more expensive in the USA and with the local R700 pattern rifle being readily available theres no reason not to just go Vudoo.

If I had an unlimited budget I'd just go Vudoo.
But as all my other rifles are Tikkas is seems logical to stick with a Tikka base if it's feasable.

I guess a "proper" rebarrel rather than just a prefit is probably a path worth going down, it seems to work for CZs so unless there is something inherinetly wrong with the T1x there's no good reason why it shouldn't be an improvement.
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Several Annie users in the Rimfire PRS game have had feeding issues. My guess is a chassis without adjustable mag catch is the issue, along with some mag compatibility/quality issues. The 22LR 700 action clones are very mag/chassis feeding dependant. Call Ryan from IBI in Canada at the number on the website. He exports all over the world and also shoots Rimfire PRS, among other disciplines. His advice is sound even if the logistics of getting a barrel to you are a problem. I would not build a T1X again. I’ve got an IBI barrelled T1X in an MDT ACC. It works for me because I know it’s special needs.
 
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Anschutz magazine system for the 17xx 54 series rifles suck ass. Old outdated design from the middle of last century folded sheetmetal housing. Most ppl don’t know the housing is adjustable. Lots of tinkering to get it reliable if you have problems. Took me almost half a year to get the one rifle reliably feeding. Release latch is on the wrong side and horribly shaped. Long release lever is much too long, easy to accidentally activate. Mags are still folded sheetmetal and cost way more than they should for 10 rounders, $85-120 each

https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/magazines.html

You pay that much for a mag it should work, many don’t. I gave up on 10 round mags for my two annies and just use the less problematic 5 rounders. Guy I shoot with in a monthly steel match uses a GRS 54 and does very well unless he has 10 rd mag issues, which is about every 8 or 9th mag for him. Mag issues cost him two first place finishes in 2023.

Lots of documented ejection issues as well, but in my 2 cases it was almost straight up ejection bouncing off scope and back into chamber causing jams. Higher scope mounts alleviated this issue.

I love my 1712 for shooting silhouette, it is the premier rifle for that game and very accurate . No way I would use an anschutz for steel/prs/nrl types match under time pressure and required mag changes. Tried it with both annies and my times were way slower than with my vudoo/cz/tikka and even a borrowed savage. I envy watching olympic biathlon shooters having no problems with their rifles and wonder how much support they receive.

I really like both my 16” tikka t1x and cz457. I have been fortunate with no issues on either rifle. Cz got rebarreled with a walther that I am happy with. Tikka is in bone stock config and is my loaner rifle to first timers/newbies trying a steel match for the first few times. Everybody likes it and it has been reliable. I think tikka got the perfect barrel profile vs weight (I am not a fan of the “more heavy=more better” benchrest barricade crowd. Offhand stages are great at dispelling this). I also see a couple stock cz’s and tikka‘s in silhouette regularly.

If I were the OP and was sure the barrel was the issue, I would rebarrel with a shillen or bartlein or brux, I have no experience with IBI. But I would really verify my long range game was dead on first. Try some other rifles if you can. I also agree that longer barrels are a little more consistent in leveling out a few fps differences in ammo. Saw that a few times when I shot ARA rimfire benchrest. However, my only “perfect” 35-200 yard steel match in which I had no misses was shot with my 16” walther barreled cz457 a couple years ago. Go figure.
 
Tiger_Shilone said:
Anschutz magazine system for the 17xx 54 series rifles suck ass. Old outdated design from the middle of last century folded sheetmetal housing. Most ppl don’t know the housing is adjustable. Lots of tinkering to get it reliable if you have problems. Took me almost half a year to get the one rifle reliably feeding. Release latch is on the wrong side and horribly shaped. Long release lever is much too long, easy to accidentally activate. Mags are still folded sheetmetal and cost way more than they should for 10 rounders, $85-120 each

https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/magazines.html

You pay that much for a mag it should work, many don’t. I gave up on 10 round mags for my two annies and just use the less problematic 5 rounders. Guy I shoot with in a monthly steel match uses a GRS 54 and does very well unless he has 10 rd mag issues, which is about every 8 or 9th mag for him. Mag issues cost him two first place finishes in 2023.

Lots of documented ejection issues as well, but in my 2 cases it was almost straight up ejection bouncing off scope and back into chamber causing jams. Higher scope mounts alleviated this issue.

I love my 1712 for shooting silhouette, it is the premier rifle for that game and very accurate . No way I would use an anschutz for steel/prs/nrl types match under time pressure and required mag changes. Tried it with both annies and my times were way slower than with my vudoo/cz/tikka and even a borrowed savage. I envy watching olympic biathlon shooters having no problems with their rifles and wonder how much support they receive.

I really like both my 16” tikka t1x and cz457. I have been fortunate with no issues on either rifle. Cz got rebarreled with a walther that I am happy with. Tikka is in bone stock config and is my loaner rifle to first timers/newbies trying a steel match for the first few times. Everybody likes it and it has been reliable. I think tikka got the perfect barrel profile vs weight (I am not a fan of the “more heavy=more better” benchrest barricade crowd. Offhand stages are great at dispelling this). I also see a couple stock cz’s and tikka‘s in silhouette regularly.

If I were the OP and was sure the barrel was the issue, I would rebarrel with a shillen or bartlein or brux, I have no experience with IBI. But I would really verify my long range game was dead on first. Try some other rifles if you can. I also agree that longer barrels are a little more consistent in leveling out a few fps differences in ammo. Saw that a few times when I shot ARA rimfire benchrest. However, my only “perfect” 35-200 yard steel match in which I had no misses was shot with my 16” walther barreled cz457 a couple years ago. Go figure.
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Interesting I have 4 Annie’s, probably 2dozen magazines ( both 5 and 10 round) and have never had an issue with the mags or the mag release/well. I put an average of 2lk through them a year. If you are serious about getting a 1727f in the AI contact ANA and you can even ask for them to function test the mag well. Currently waiting for my 1727f action to get installed in one of the AT-X chassis.
 
Tiger_Shilone said:
Anschutz magazine system for the 17xx 54 series rifles suck ass. Old outdated design from the middle of last century folded sheetmetal housing. Most ppl don’t know the housing is adjustable. Lots of tinkering to get it reliable if you have problems. Took me almost half a year to get the one rifle reliably feeding. Release latch is on the wrong side and horribly shaped. Long release lever is much too long, easy to accidentally activate. Mags are still folded sheetmetal and cost way more than they should for 10 rounders, $85-120 each

https://www.anschutznorthamerica.com/magazines.html

You pay that much for a mag it should work, many don’t. I gave up on 10 round mags for my two annies and just use the less problematic 5 rounders. Guy I shoot with in a monthly steel match uses a GRS 54 and does very well unless he has 10 rd mag issues, which is about every 8 or 9th mag for him. Mag issues cost him two first place finishes in 2023.

Lots of documented ejection issues as well, but in my 2 cases it was almost straight up ejection bouncing off scope and back into chamber causing jams. Higher scope mounts alleviated this issue.

I love my 1712 for shooting silhouette, it is the premier rifle for that game and very accurate . No way I would use an anschutz for steel/prs/nrl types match under time pressure and required mag changes. Tried it with both annies and my times were way slower than with my vudoo/cz/tikka and even a borrowed savage. I envy watching olympic biathlon shooters having no problems with their rifles and wonder how much support they receive.

I really like both my 16” tikka t1x and cz457. I have been fortunate with no issues on either rifle. Cz got rebarreled with a walther that I am happy with. Tikka is in bone stock config and is my loaner rifle to first timers/newbies trying a steel match for the first few times. Everybody likes it and it has been reliable. I think tikka got the perfect barrel profile vs weight (I am not a fan of the “more heavy=more better” benchrest barricade crowd. Offhand stages are great at dispelling this). I also see a couple stock cz’s and tikka‘s in silhouette regularly.

If I were the OP and was sure the barrel was the issue, I would rebarrel with a shillen or bartlein or brux, I have no experience with IBI. But I would really verify my long range game was dead on first. Try some other rifles if you can. I also agree that longer barrels are a little more consistent in leveling out a few fps differences in ammo. Saw that a few times when I shot ARA rimfire benchrest. However, my only “perfect” 35-200 yard steel match in which I had no misses was shot with my 16” walther barreled cz457 a couple years ago. Go figure.
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This isn't the first time I've heard of 17xx Annies having issues, maybe the reason they never took of for NRL was a bad reputation they had long before the R700 actions appeared on the scene.

My curret T1x set up is under 11lbs sitting in a KRG Bravo, I shot for a very long time in the stanard stock and had a suprising amount of success but I wanted to start running an ARCA set up for tripod and the newer bipods.
I have to run as much weight as possible in the forend and it barely balances on the magwell, a longer barrel would help move the balance point further out and would hopefully mean I didn't need to run as much weight in the forend. a 24" barrel and lose the suppressor would do this.
I also want a longer barrel reasons of trying to improve ammo ES/SD and HOPEFULLY less susceptible to a bad batch of ammo.

Around 12lb is a pretty good spot to still shoot offhand without too much issue, be stead on a barricade, and be light enough I can still hunt with the rifle (which I currently do). I could probably get the rifle balanced as is with a super light weight chasssis or if I tried lightening the Bravo rear end, which could be worth considering.
 
My friend has an Aschutz 1761 that he picked up a few years ago that I was interested in following but they've only just come out with 10 round mags so until now it's not been feasible. The lack of stock/chassis options is also an issue.
Anschutz barrelled actions are considerably cheaper than a R700 style hence why I was thinking about them.

I've made a post on a NZ based forum about any known gun smiths who could rebarrel my Tikka.
If I don't get any hits or the price starts approaching Vudoo/Anschutz territory then I'll consider the alternatives.

Unsuprisingly the Vudoo option is by far the most popular in the poll.
 
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beetroot said:
My friend has an Aschutz 1761 that he picked up a few years ago that I was interested in following but they've only just come out with 10 round mags so until now it's not been feasible. The lack of stock/chassis options is also an issue.
Anschutz barrelled actions are considerably cheaper than a R700 style hence why I was thinking about them.

I've made a post on a NZ based forum about any known gun smiths who could rebarrel my Tikka.
If I don't get any hits or the price starts approaching Vudoo/Anschutz territory then I'll consider the alternatives.

Unsuprisingly the Vudoo option is by far the most popular in the poll.
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Save your self a bunch of time and money and get the Vudoo because if your thinking about it now that’s what you’ll end up with in the long run.

I sold ALL my gear 3.5yrs ago and started all over again recently. I thought I’ll do it cheaper this time.
Bought a Bergara B14R…super accurate but second time out started having the Bergara issues.

Took it to scheels the next day took a $600 dollar loss and ordered a Vudoo.

ALMOST bought a Tikka and after the Bergara issues I slapped myself and called MPA and ordered the full pimp 6GT.
 
LR1845 said:
Save your self a bunch of time and money and get the Vudoo because if your thinking about it now that’s what you’ll end up with in the long run.

I sold ALL my gear 3.5yrs ago and started all over again recently. I thought I’ll do it cheaper this time.
Bought a Bergara B14R…super accurate but second time out started having the Bergara issues.

Took it to scheels the next day took a $600 dollar loss and ordered a Vudoo.

ALMOST bought a Tikka and after the Bergara issues I slapped myself and called MPA and ordered the full pimp 6GT.
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What issues?
 
hafejd30 said:
What issues?
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Some feed issues mostly ejection issues….I tried the double spring fix and did not help…I’m talking 1-3 every mag…after this I’d of never trusted that gun in a match.
 
LR1845 said:
Some feed issues mostly ejection issues….I tried the double spring fix and did not help…I’m talking 1-3 every mag…after this I’d of never trusted that gun in a match.
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Mine has the ejection issue. My T1X currently has issues as well

Staking the ejector 100% fixed the issue.

Mine was the same. Several every mag. I was ready to sell it. The accuracy was the only thing that kept it around long enough to solve the issue
 
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hafejd30 said:
Mine has the ejection issue. My T1X currently has issues as well

Staking the ejector 100% fixed the issue.

Mine was the same. Several every mag. I was ready to sell it. The accuracy was the only thing that kept it around long enough to solve the issue
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Like I said I was impressed with accuracy…it was the ejection issue and I just didn’t want to waste a bunch of time or money messing with it.

My first vudoo I shot over 15,000 rounds through it and never one issue. Friend of mine owns it now and he’s had 0 issues.

But then another buddy and his son both shoot Bergaras and have for 4yrs and neither one has had an issue…or that’s what they tell me.
 
hafejd30 said:
Mine has the ejection issue. My T1X currently has issues as well

Staking the ejector 100% fixed the issue.

Mine was the same. Several every mag. I was ready to sell it. The accuracy was the only thing that kept it around long enough to solve the issue
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If your T1x is still having ejection issues, check this post at RFC out:
www.rimfirecentral.com

T1x Ejection Function & Correct Improvement

www.rimfirecentral.com www.rimfirecentral.com

Using action proving dummies it seems to work fine, need to hit the range this week and run it like I do at a match.

I will say his green "do not file here" is overly cautious, just stay away from the hook. If you place a rim under the hook you can see it doesn't come anywhere close to that edge. If you look in the extractor slot once you have removed it you can see just how little it has to rest on inside the bolt.
 
LR1845 said:
Like I said I was impressed with accuracy…it was the ejection issue and I just didn’t want to waste a bunch of time or money messing with it.

My first vudoo I shot over 15,000 rounds through it and never one issue. Friend of mine owns it now and he’s had 0 issues.

But then another buddy and his son both shoot Bergaras and have for 4yrs and neither one has had an issue…or that’s what they tell me.
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I didn’t want to waste time or money either. I have a T1X, B14R and Vudoo 360

But for anyone reading this. The staking takes a couple minutes and fixes an issue that makes you want to turn a B14R into a hammer from frustration
 
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First, all this “adjustable mag latch” info is suspect.
Vudoo
Bergara
Rim-X
Deuce
all might benefit from either an adjustable magazine latch or adjustable mag well. The magazine’s exact location is determined as much by the accuracy of the stock/chassis inletting as the bottom metal.
Anschutz
Sako
Tikka
CZ 457,455,452,BRNO, Steyr Zephyr 2,Lithgow LA101
all have the magazine retainer and latch mechanism attached directly to the receiver, which means the stock/chassis inletting doesn’t effect feeding.
If you are having feeding issues with these, something may be out of spec and needs to be adjusted or replaced.
I own a newer version of T1X, biggest benefit is changing the stock for a KRG Bravo and adjusting the trigger. The barrel on mine is more than accurate enough out to extended range.
 
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