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My opinion is that many people, being accustomed to assigning value in dollars, have a skewed view of this. Gold is not worth more dollars, it takes more dollars to buy the same gold. The dollar is not a constant.

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One of the top item's on my "Wish List" would be to wake up tomorrow morning and find that gold is trading at $1,000 / ounce.
That, in itself, would double the buying power of my fixed income which is being paid out in USD's.
Anyone not understand my wish ?
 
One of the top item's on my "Wish List" would be to wake up tomorrow morning and find that gold is trading at $1,000 / ounce.
That, in itself, would double the buying power of my fixed income which is being paid out in USD's.
Anyone not understand my wish ?

Exactly. And the oz of gold will still trade for the same "quality business suit" as it did in your yesterday, to paraphrase an analogy.

Thank you,
MrSmith
 
Exactly. And the oz of gold will still trade for the same "quality business suit" as it did in your yesterday, to paraphrase an analogy.

Thank you,
MrSmith
While the American politician's removed the country from the "Gold Standard"....... The traders in the rest of the world continued on the Gold Standard. One more lesson, changing a culture is difficult.
 
While the American politician's removed the country from the "Gold Standard"....... The traders in the rest of the world continued on the Gold Standard. One more lesson, changing a culture is difficult.

Your last sentence is one of your more profound. I'm not going deep into the weeds but:

Americans are not accustomed to trading in gold. It will be difficult for a person with an oz of gold to convince an average farmer to trade him a cow. But if that person changes the oz of gold into dollars the trade can be made. This is why gold, as a barter/currency medium will be problematic at best. Only a infinitesimal number of Americans have ever seen a gold coin in circulation as currency. Gold dealers advertise and sell gold as an investment, the certification of the amount and purity of the piece being the strike/face/appearance, like a quarter looks like a quarter and everyone knows what a quarter looks like. Gold dealers also sell rare coins so ........

Imagine you have an oz of gold and a "1897-W, $50 gold eagle, MS63" (I made that up to make a point, no clue of its "value" or existence). How do you convince the farmer you would give him this oz of gold for one cow but you want 4 cows for this other oz of gold. The "value" of an oz of gold can be looked up on your hand held information device. But the 1897 coin has additional collector "value", one gold cow and three collector cows. If it gets scratched then it's worth only one gold cow and only two collector cows. Now negotiation becomes somewhat more spirited. And any change returned from your oz gets complicated.

Your earlier comments about gold as more of a hedge than an investment/currency ring true. Goldbacks will prove an interesting experiment but I hold little hope for acceptance. I do plan to buy some to frame for the wall. Americans are not a culture ready to trade in gold and, "see last sentence in quoted post".

Should you venture south, call and I'll buy lunch. We could even discuss the pros and cons of a 6011 root and LoHy fill and cap but you would quickly exhaust my knowledge.

Thank you,
MrSmith
 
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minted currency doesn't have to be claimed as a gain

every other gain is taxable no matter the size of sale or party selling to - doesn't mean you won't slip through cracks but I wouldn't advise that as ur only plan.

as far as if gold went to 1000 tomorrow - nobody would be making money, the [world] would meltdown if gold somehow lost half its [price] in 24hrs.

BUT if that were to happen, nobody forget making the X a farmer (OFFENSE TAKEN!), nobody but collectors care about quality of the coin and rating xyz (and they only care because the system is stable and prices trend up; get rid of the stability and they gone. purity would be only worry and they would all sell the same - oz of gold, don't care about the frilly lace BS of a collector grade coin. At that point it's the buyer in drivers seat not the seller.

farmer - do you like eating food or that gold?
 
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Your last sentence is one of your more profound. I'm not going deep into the weeds but:

Americans are not accustomed to trading in gold. It will be difficult for a person with an oz of gold to convince an average farmer to trade him a cow. But if that person changes the oz of gold into dollars the trade can be made. This is why gold, as a barter/currency medium will be problematic at best. Only a infinitesimal number of Americans have ever seen a gold coin in circulation as currency. Gold dealers advertise and sell gold as an investment, the certification of the amount and purity of the piece being the strike/face/appearance, like a quarter looks like a quarter and everyone knows what a quarter looks like. Gold dealers also sell rare coins so ........

Imagine you have an oz of gold and a "1897-W, $50 gold eagle, MS63" (I made that up to make a point, no clue of its "value" or existence). How do you convince the farmer you would give him this oz of gold for one cow but you want 4 cows for this other oz of gold. The "value" of an oz of gold can be looked up on your hand held information device. But the 1897 coin has additional collector "value", one gold cow and three collector cows. If it gets scratched then it's worth only one gold cow and only two collector cows. Now negotiation becomes somewhat more spirited. And any change returned from your oz gets complicated.

Your earlier comments about gold as more of a hedge than an investment/currency ring true. Goldbacks will prove an interesting experiment but I hold little hope for acceptance. I do plan to buy some to frame for the wall. Americans are not a culture ready to trade in gold and, "see last sentence in quoted post".

Should you venture south, call and I'll buy lunch. We could even discuss the pros and cons of a 6011 root and LoHy fill and cap but you would quickly exhaust my knowledge.

Thank you,
MrSmith
My world was industrial construction. I miss those days of sitting in some cold drafty lunch room tent covering "pros and cons"... I think there were days the only reason I went to work was for the "fellowship". NO topic was sacred.... Women, guns, truck, religion, people, piss poor supervision, Chinese fittings / welding rods and of course arguing with a welding inspector that had never welded.

To level the playing field on gold and silver I would convert to the melt value.

The "Art of Barter" is almost extinct. The largest factor, in the beginning, is having two men together. Both having a "need" for an item the other man has. This, in itself, clears the room of spectators with endless opinions. Historically, after a trade, I will have one guy say "you did good" and another guy say "you got beat". What they think does not matter.

In the future, depending on the deal... I may get more for USD's than gold... or ... I may get more for gold than USD's.

What I don't know is what I could get for a Bitcoin. ;)
 
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who is their closest competitor would you say?
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Currently - yes

Im betting they get bought in ~4yrs by Google, Microsoft, Oracle or even Meta.

it is an over reaction on my part but Im interested....
Many LLMs can write papers for you and that will be run of the mill soon if not already. Open AI, Anthropic. Google. Apple before long.
I am interested in perplexity.ai, for serious scientific research that is transparently sourced they are the best. They could be a serious threat to Google for search eventually. Google has turned into a shitshow for search.
 
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Happy to see Tesla green. BOD seems open to a new comp plan. Elon currently “owns/has the ability to own” ~22% of TSLA. A new plan for an additional ~3% or repurchase program would cross his 25% target.

With Tesla green, happy to roll options weekly again.
 
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Appearing the "rates" could remain the same for 2024. This could become the norm.
That’s what this uneducated knuckle dragger thinks too. Nothing has changed except the economy is obviously crumbling and inflation is getting even worse. When deflation occurs, then I expect rate cuts. In order for that to happen, most consumer and business debt needs to be defaulted on. Until then, or a big war, nothing will change.
 
How are we feeling about precious metal trusts/stock these days?

I prefer physical coins/bars of course, but just bought a bunch more of Sprott silver on today’s dip

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That’s what this uneducated knuckle dragger thinks too. Nothing has changed except the economy is obviously crumbling and inflation is getting even worse. When deflation occurs, then I expect rate cuts. In order for that to happen, most consumer and business debt needs to be defaulted on. Until then, or a big war, nothing will change.
I tend to look at "debt". At one point, around 2008, I allowed a credit card to run up a high balance. That period in time was labeled "The Great Recession". It took me years to pay that card off after I cut it in half.
Currently debt (personal, business and Government) is at a record high. To speak in round numbers, that working class family paying $100 month in credit card interest is not going to be spending that money at the mall, grocery store or gas station.
With the FED holding interest rates high, there will be no refinancing to lower the payment on that house bought at the peak of home prices.
Banks are in the cross hairs and are being forced to hold more cash to back up the risky loans.
Inflation is continuing to lower the buying power of the USD.
The frenzy created in 2023 is not sustainable.
 
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A wide decision.

"Our engagement with the Liontown team has been meaningful and productive. We appreciate the level of cooperation we have received, and we thank the entire team for their efforts," said Kent Masters, CEO of Albemarle. "That said, moving forward with the acquisition, at this time, is not in Albemarle's best interests."

Albemarle Corp. announced Wednesday cost-cutting actions, including job cuts, in an effort to boost cash flow as a result of changing market conditions, particularly in the lithium value chain.


The company said it is looking to reduce costs by about $95 million a year, by cutting expenses, reducing its workforce and lowering spending on contracted services. More than $50 million in savings are expected to be realized in 2024, as it pursues additional cash-management actions.


 
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Albemarle Corp. announced Wednesday cost-cutting actions, including job cuts, in an effort to boost cash flow as a result of changing market conditions, particularly in the lithium value chain.


The company said it is looking to reduce costs by about $95 million a year, by cutting expenses, reducing its workforce and lowering spending on contracted services. More than $50 million in savings are expected to be realized in 2024, as it pursues additional cash-management actions.

Every traditional car maker (GM, Ford, etc.) has reduced their EV projections for 2024 = less batteries
 
Gold is nice. $2053.00 per oz right now so a 30% drop would hardly leave you broke, and that’s if you bought it at today’s price.

If you’ve been buying physical gold for a decent amount of time then you are definitely not overly concerned about a 30% drop in value from current prices.

Time, time, time.

It’s like when people say I’m nuts for still buying the S&P 500 in the $470’s. I have time. They also said I was nuts for buying S&P tops while working at Hardee’s in the early 90’s.

The companies and commodities I like I have bought consistently over time.

Time is your friend. If you’re over 40 and just now starting out, you are a long way behind the curve.

If you’re young, start now and reinvest dividends and enjoy swoll pockets in the future.
The six currencies included in the USDX are often referred to as America's most significant trading partners, but the index has only been updated once: in 1999 when the euro replaced the German mark, French franc, Italian lira, Dutch guilder, and Belgian franc.1 Consequently, the index does not accurately reflect present-day U.S. trade.

I keep seeing these headlines talking about the "Strength of the USD".
When looking at what the USD is being compared to, this thought crosses my mind.
Having a strong USD is similar to winning an event at the "Special Olympics".
Look at how little a USD buys today.
 
I've dabbled in the market for 40 years. Some good, some bad... Lesson's learned.
As each of the past 4 - 5 recessions were forming up, I remember the Snake Oil Salesmen start to push people to buy into the market.
I can see that push shaping up today when I go here..... Buy, buy, buy
 
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From Wallstreet Breakfast: Major Wall Street indices have notched new record highs, with gains lifting the blue-chip Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJI) above 38K for the first time ever, while the S&P 500 (SP500) ended at an all-time high for the second day in a row. Investing Group Leader Victor Dergunov expects this uptrend to continue, predicting that the S&P500 could reach 5,200-5,500 and the Nasdaq around 18,000-20,000 before year-end. While the Federal Reserve takes a backseat as it enters a blackout period ahead of its first meeting of 2024, earnings will dominate headlines this week, with results from Netflix (NFLX) and Baker Hughes (BKR) due out today.

But, why? Why are markets hitting new record highs? Really, what is so great about the economy, the business world, etc.?
 
From Wallstreet Breakfast: Major Wall Street indices have notched new record highs, with gains lifting the blue-chip Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJI) above 38K for the first time ever, while the S&P 500 (SP500) ended at an all-time high for the second day in a row. Investing Group Leader Victor Dergunov expects this uptrend to continue, predicting that the S&P500 could reach 5,200-5,500 and the Nasdaq around 18,000-20,000 before year-end. While the Federal Reserve takes a backseat as it enters a blackout period ahead of its first meeting of 2024, earnings will dominate headlines this week, with results from Netflix (NFLX) and Baker Hughes (BKR) due out today.

But, why? Why are markets hitting new record highs? Really, what is so great about the economy, the business world, etc.?
Are they actual highs, or just inflated numbers because every $$ is now worth less than it was before? A loaded new truck was $3K, now $130K, almost like it’s just priced in pennies now.
 
My hypothesis is simple; the stock market currently by design is to fleece the working peoples wealth and return it to the elites, people that have built a retirement nest egg end up with nothing whereas the richest elites continue to show a gain/profit.
Similar to those elected to Congress that always seem to know how to make money buying & selling in the stockmarket, always at the right time. If the unseen hand is guiding the market and you are connected with that hand all is well. (Chris Collins)
How is it Warren Buffet Berkshire Hathaway only go in one direction?
 
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From Wallstreet Breakfast: Major Wall Street indices have notched new record highs, with gains lifting the blue-chip Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJI) above 38K for the first time ever, while the S&P 500 (SP500) ended at an all-time high for the second day in a row. Investing Group Leader Victor Dergunov expects this uptrend to continue, predicting that the S&P500 could reach 5,200-5,500 and the Nasdaq around 18,000-20,000 before year-end. While the Federal Reserve takes a backseat as it enters a blackout period ahead of its first meeting of 2024, earnings will dominate headlines this week, with results from Netflix (NFLX) and Baker Hughes (BKR) due out today.

But, why? Why are markets hitting new record highs? Really, what is so great about the economy, the business world, etc.?
If you bring up charts of the different markets all you will see is "inflation". Increases of 20% - 30% are nothing more than inflation from the low man on the totem pole to the "middle man" to the government fee / tax increases to the bean counters in the back room at the corporate head quarters. GDP is going nowhere, only new jobs are "government jobs", no new factories, no new products, no new exports... Nothing but inflation increasing the numbers and the national debt. Unsustainable.
 
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If you listen to the first3/4 minutes I believe davidwebb gives a cliffnote on how the market gets manipulated. A few books behind in my reading starting PeterZeihan’s The End Of The World Is Just The Beginning. (17:00-20:30)

 
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A lot of propaganda surrounding "The Market". The market is where it was in late November of 2021.
All the numbers have been "inflated" due to inflation.
For the past 13 months all we have witnessed is a bubble being inflated.
Unsustainable.


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When is the bubble gonna pop?
On a Friday, an hour after close, that leads into a 3 day holiday weekend. That gives the oligarchs a head start, gives the fund managers some "before the bell" time to do some damage control. The foreign markets get a head start. Those people who worked a lifetime and put it all in a managed fund will take the hit. History repeating itself.

Memorial Day: Last Monday in May ?
 
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Will any "savings" be passed on to the consumer ?
I saw nothing that will enhance the repair challenges when a vehicle is damaged in an accident. (Plug and play parts).
No mention of improving the battery / charging challenges ?
Will this assembly process reduce the cost of insurance, government taxes and financing ?
A buyer really has no concept or interest in how a product is assembled as long as it is economical, easy to maintain and is still serviceable after the final payment is made.
Appears that a Tesla is written off as "salvage" much quicker than a Honda, Toyota or Ford.

 
Yes, quick and dirty is that this is the assemble line for the $25k Tesla.
When it becomes a "throw away car" the cost of the replacement insurance will cost as much as the replacement battery.
Similar to the Dewalt battery powered tools.
When one new model is introduced, the next model is on the drawing board...
A page from the play book of Apple.

The average cost to insure a 2022 Tesla model with full coverage is $3,007 annually or $251 per month, which is 50% higher than the national average. Many Tesla owners choose to purchase third-party protection for their Teslas rather than opting for the company's own coverage.Dec 25, 2023
 
Yes, quick and dirty is that this is the assemble line for the $25k Tesla.
"We are simultaneously ramping new products, building or ramping manufacturing facilities on three continents, piloting the development and manufacture of new battery cell technologies, expanding our Supercharger network and investing in autonomy and other artificial intelligence enabled training and products, and the pace of our capital spend may vary depending on overall priority among projects, the pace at which we meet milestones, production adjustments to and among our various products, increased capital efficiencies and the addition of new projects," the company said.

 
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