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Suppressors New TBAC cans for 2024

Can't blame tbac for following legal advise. ATF doesn't know their own fucking rules and makes it up as they go along. If anyone has a problem with it feel free to start a can company and put your money where your mouth is and risk your asshole.

TBAC is going to sell alot of cans this year. I hope they are ready for the influx of orders coming their way!
 
So there's your interpretation of the ATF rules (which is logical and makes sense based upon "the letter of the law"), and then we've got Rugged which is out there selling damn near every part of their cans except the tube and baffle stacks:


There's also the whole thing about how one can change the silencer length to be shorter but not longer ("If alterations to a silencer would increase the overall length or change the diameter or caliber of a silencer, this is the making of a new silencer..."), and yet Dead Air sells their E-Brake:


This regulatory environment is very weird.
Exactly. Every year we see some company get popped for selling shit the ATF has now decided is a NFA violation.

Just becuase a company is selling it doesn't mean the big dick of the fed gov is not going to come down hard one day.
 
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So there's your interpretation of the ATF rules (which is logical and makes sense based upon "the letter of the law"), and then we've got Rugged which is out there selling damn near every part of their cans except the tube and baffle stacks:


There's also the whole thing about how one can change the silencer length to be shorter but not longer ("If alterations to a silencer would increase the overall length or change the diameter or caliber of a silencer, this is the making of a new silencer..."), and yet Dead Air sells their E-Brake:


This regulatory environment is very weird.
This is what had me confused, as well. I would buy an RR model, if it also came with, or if I could buy separately, a replacement .30 cal end cap if I didn't want to use the brake on it sometimes.
 
Per ATF rules, you can go shorter, but you can't go longer then registered length...
But I can add a brake to my Nomad, Omega, etc etc. 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️ and this isn't some secret part. I feel if ATF really wanted to crack on companies (and they are), they would have done it already.

Imagine calling a wipe a suppressor part... Oh wait. 🤣🤣🤣
 
Like the pistol brace shit, they will let shit go on forever. Once you start seeing modular suppressors (which is where the industry is going with standardization) they are going to crack down hard.

They didnt care about pistol braces when they though it was only disabled people. When the realized they were out BILLIONS of dollars in tax revenue and they see what was traditionally a SBR being sold faster than 16" rifles, they started to care. They did it with the solvent trap companies too. They decide to enforce their interpretation of the laws when its beneficial to them.

We should all understand by now their inaction does not mean they condone it, or would it stop them from enforcing their BS down the road.

I find it really hard to fault TBAC for protecting their business. A business where a mistep could cost them everything.
 
But I can add a brake to my Nomad, Omega, etc etc. 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️ and this isn't some secret part. I feel if ATF really wanted to crack on companies (and they are), they would have done it already.

Imagine calling a wipe a suppressor part... Oh wait. 🤣🤣🤣
Nobody said the gAyTF wasn't full of r3tards... I agree, it's all stupid. They shouldn't even be regulated anyway, neither should barrel length. But our great great grandfathers let them steal our rights 90 years ago, and never once tried to fight for it, and here we are... 🤦🏼
 
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This is very confusing to me. A419 sells their Maverick in a kit that can do multiple lengths along with braked and flat end caps. But the TB cans can’t be sold with a flat end cap?

That's where my mind went to first as well - the A419 Maverick.

Interesting that there's different interpretations as to what is legal and what isn't under the laws.
 
That's where my mind went to first as well - the A419 Maverick.

Interesting that there's different interpretations as to what is legal and what isn't under the laws.
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New setups look great, good work TBAC!

@Zak Smith, For application expectations, what would you say the crossover is for something like a “light” 22 inch barrel/11lb scoped .338 Norma hunting setup. What I mean is will the Magnus-S RR .338 for example still give me pretty good suppression and add some much better recoil control…without being loud enough that I might as well swap to just a regular brake by itself (other considerations like weight/length ignored)? Or would I need to likely go to the regular Magnus RR .338 to hit that “best balance”?

The baseline is of course just going back to the .338 ultra (non-RR) which is what I have been using for any/all .338 applications (great can!).

The numbers for suppression from the S (non-RR) look great…along with the pretty good recoil reduction, so in general it is awesome to have a .338 bore on smaller suppressors with this…just trying to figure out the sweet spot for one vs. the other. Obviously you guys put out that great and informative numbers/info page, mainly asking for your opinion/experience. Thanks!

-TSean
 
New setups look great, good work TBAC!

@Zak Smith, For application expectations, what would you say the crossover is for something like a “light” 22 inch barrel/11lb scoped .338 Norma hunting setup. What I mean is will the Magnus-S RR .338 for example still give me pretty good suppression and add some much better recoil control…without being loud enough that I might as well swap to just a regular brake by itself (other considerations like weight/length ignored)? Or would I need to likely go to the regular Magnus RR .338 to hit that “best balance”?

The baseline is of course just going back to the .338 ultra (non-RR) which is what I have been using for any/all .338 applications (great can!).

The numbers for suppression from the S (non-RR) look great…along with the pretty good recoil reduction, so in general it is awesome to have a .338 bore on smaller suppressors with this…just trying to figure out the sweet spot for one vs. the other. Obviously you guys put out that great and informative numbers/info page, mainly asking for your opinion/experience. Thanks!

-TSean
I've shot the 338 Magnus-S-RR on a 338 lapua and was very comfortable with foam ear plugs. That's not something I would want to shoot without foam ear plugs in. I also wear ear pro 100% of the time no matter what I'm shooting. The recoil reduction of the Magnus-S-RR on 338 lapua put a smile on my face. It felt better than a suppressed 308
 
Hey kurtispalu!

Thank you for the notes on that! That sounds about like I was thinking from looking at the numbers, but very nice to hear some live experience. Very stoked to get some of these smaller .338 setups. Again, much appreciated on the notes and super cool you shot that configuration already (and hopefully some others too if you were around that one!). Have a good one!

-TSean
 
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That's where my mind went to first as well - the A419 Maverick.

Interesting that there's different interpretations as to what is legal and what isn't under the laws.
Which, by the way, is why the Supreme Court struck down the pistol brace rule. Too much ambiguity.

AutisticTF has purposely created these ambiguous rulings to slow down ownership and freedom to enjoy the 2nd. If someone were to challenge this, it would also go by the wayside.
 
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Any chance someone knows someone who might be able to make a specific titanium enecap, without a hole of course, to put on for cleaning purposes? With the cleaning schedule of 500 rds, I’m going to be cleaning pretty often and feel like that would be a very nice piece to have. You know, for cleaning.
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New setups look great, good work TBAC!

@Zak Smith, For application expectations, what would you say the crossover is for something like a “light” 22 inch barrel/11lb scoped .338 Norma hunting setup. What I mean is will the Magnus-S RR .338 for example still give me pretty good suppression and add some much better recoil control…without being loud enough that I might as well swap to just a regular brake by itself (other considerations like weight/length ignored)? Or would I need to likely go to the regular Magnus RR .338 to hit that “best balance”?

The baseline is of course just going back to the .338 ultra (non-RR) which is what I have been using for any/all .338 applications (great can!).

The numbers for suppression from the S (non-RR) look great…along with the pretty good recoil reduction, so in general it is awesome to have a .338 bore on smaller suppressors with this…just trying to figure out the sweet spot for one vs. the other. Obviously you guys put out that great and informative numbers/info page, mainly asking for your opinion/experience. Thanks!

-TSean
Back in the original 338 Ultra testing, our test gun was a Savage .338LM with a red dot on it. In such a short barrel, the recoil shooting offhand was not bad and we commented that it wouldn't be a bad relatively short range "whomping" rifle. In other worse, the recoil was OK. Now with the bullet going faster from a longer barrel I'm sure it would be worse.

I think it will come down to how short you want it vs. how loud. The Magnus S RR 338 has a little more recoil reduction than the 338 Ultra RR, but it's quite a bit louder (like 12 dB louder). For a hunting gun I'd probably go with the S length, or even the K. My 375HH is planning to have the K-RR on it.
 
Hey kurtispalu!

Thank you for the notes on that! That sounds about like I was thinking from looking at the numbers, but very nice to hear some live experience. Very stoked to get some of these smaller .338 setups. Again, much appreciated on the notes and super cool you shot that configuration already (and hopefully some others too if you were around that one!). Have a good one!

-TSean
I bet the Magnus-S .338 would be a killer 8.6 BLK can...
 
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Back in the original 338 Ultra testing, our test gun was a Savage .338LM with a red dot on it. In such a short barrel, the recoil shooting offhand was not bad and we commented that it wouldn't be a bad relatively short range "whomping" rifle. In other worse, the recoil was OK. Now with the bullet going faster from a longer barrel I'm sure it would be worse.

I think it will come down to how short you want it vs. how loud. The Magnus S RR 338 has a little more recoil reduction than the 338 Ultra RR, but it's quite a bit louder (like 12 dB louder). For a hunting gun I'd probably go with the S length, or even the K. My 375HH is planning to have the K-RR on it.
Ok... We need pics and video of this ASAGDMFP. Old school meets new school. 👍🏼
 
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Oh don't worry. It's a CZ550 with pretty nice wood.
I'd be curious to see a S and full-size on it, too... Same ammo, same day, just for heads-up real-world comparison. I know a full Magnus would be sweet, as my full-size Magnus is an absolute beast on my big boomers (7mm STW's, 7mmRM, .300WM, .300 Ackley Mag, etc...). It also sounds amazing on my .280 Ackley and 20" 7mm-08. It's actually sitting on my 20" 7mm-08 in the SKB case right now, just incase someone calls to go hunting. I re-zero'd with the Magnus on it a couple months ago (after it finally got approved) with my new Berger 175 Elite / StaBall 6.5 load, that's cooking out of the muzzle at about 2,650 FPS MV from a 20" barrel. Sub-1/2 MOA groups. It's a nasty setup for deer.
 
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With an RR set up, you'll be able remove it for cleaning and to access the end of the can for cleaning? Like on a Silencerco Omega?
 
Back in the original 338 Ultra testing, our test gun was a Savage .338LM with a red dot on it. In such a short barrel, the recoil shooting offhand was not bad and we commented that it wouldn't be a bad relatively short range "whomping" rifle. In other worse, the recoil was OK. Now with the bullet going faster from a longer barrel I'm sure it would be worse.

I think it will come down to how short you want it vs. how loud. The Magnus S RR 338 has a little more recoil reduction than the 338 Ultra RR, but it's quite a bit louder (like 12 dB louder). For a hunting gun I'd probably go with the S length, or even the K. My 375HH is planning to have the K-RR on it.
Thank you for the rundown, all sounds good/reasonable.

That K-RR is going to be very cool on your .375 H&H…nice moves. Awesome to have these bore size options for that little application too!

Thanks again, have a good one!

-TSean
 
Regarding the no flat caps for the RR cans… If someone REALLY wanted one it would technically be possible (complies with the ATF “rule”) with a second form 4 for the end cap right?

Edit: Also, how does that legal interpretation affect your other modular suppressors like Fly 9/Fly 45/22 takedown since they all have removable end caps?
 
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Back in the original 338 Ultra testing, our test gun was a Savage .338LM with a red dot on it.

This sounds like the ideal Midwest deer gun for typical cornfield hunters who are concerned that their '30-'06 isn't enough rifle for whitetail beyond 100 yards.

Not gonna lie, I'm browsing distributor websites right now for potential hosts for a future build.

Regarding the no flat caps for the RR cans… If someone REALLY wanted one it would technically be possible (complies with the ATF “rule”) with a second form 4 for the end cap right?

I'm really looking forward to doing my first eForm filing for a customer's serialized endcap.
 
Hopefully a lot of this BS administrative overreach will end after the decision in today's SCOTUS case. Basically, there is a doctrine called "Chevron Deference" that allows agencies like the ATF to make up rules as they go, and issue their own complete reversals. There's a very real chance the Court overturns that case, effectively ending 40 years of executive overreach. Can't blame TBAC for following the advice of their attorneys. Ultimately, legal advice like this turns on risk mitigation, and they've built an awesome company that they should be reluctant to expose to risk from overpowered bureaucrats. I'd have given them the same advice.
 
Hopefully a lot of this BS administrative overreach will end after the decision in today's SCOTUS case. Basically, there is a doctrine called "Chevron Deference" that allows agencies like the ATF to make up rules as they go, and issue their own complete reversals. There's a very real chance the Court overturns that case, effectively ending 40 years of executive overreach. Can't blame TBAC for following the advice of their attorneys. Ultimately, legal advice like this turns on risk mitigation, and they've built an awesome company that they should be reluctant to expose to risk from overpowered bureaucrats. I'd have given them the same advice.
Yes, they're actually SUPPOSED TO USE the Rule of Lenity, which puts burden on the government to prove the citizen is guilty, and if they can't prove it to a degree the court finds satisfactory, the ruling goes in favor of the citizen, by default.

But they use Chevron Deference because it benefits the government agencies, and not the civilians, and they can use it to make up bullshit and tack-on criminal and civil penalties to it as they wish, and nobody can question it. Which is beyond corrupt.
 
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I suggest reading 2021R-05F page 36 and trying to make sense of that...
Edit: Also, how does that legal interpretation affect your other modular suppressors like Fly 9/Fly 45/22 takedown since they all have removable end caps?
A single suppressor that can be taken apart has never been an issue. It's the extra parts that are the problem.
 
The only can we are obsoleting presently is the Dominus-CB, replaced by the Magnus-S. The Dominus SR's are staying.

The Magnus-S is 0.65" longer than the Dominus, and the K is the same longer in the Magnus. The Magnus versions are therefore a little quieter than the Dominus of "similar" lengths. The Magnus's have the crazy magnum ratings while the Dominus line has its original a little tamer ratings. The Magnus-S (6.9" in CB) suppresses about between the Ultra 7 and 9.
Ughh. I have a Dominus CB still in jail😕
 
can somebody explain to me what is all this with the brake/end cap etc? There's no way around with like with Serializing the brake/end cap matching the tube or something for the original sale? I'm lost in the details now and I don't get it.
 
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can somebody explain to me what is all this with the brake/end cap etc? There's no way around with like with Serializing the brake/end cap matching the tube or something for the original sale? I'm lost in the details now and I don't get it.
That’s how the ‘ruling’ is supposed to work. Make things so ambiguous that you keep people from doing what they should able to do by law, but can’t be sure.

As to T-Bac cans. I appreciate what you guys are doing with research and advancing your product. Maybe someday, laws here can approach the reality that our forefathers intended. One can dream.
 
I just have to say. Everytime someone comments on this post. And I come back to look at it. I realize how badly I “need” a Magnus-K-RR-CB
I can’t decide what I want. I know I don’t NEED any though. I can make a use case for pretty much any Magnus-size-RR, it’s just a question of which is best knowing that I almost never shoot my Dominus-CB over my Magnus. Magnus-S-RR would basically be the same size or a bit shorter than my full size plain old Magnus.
 
Well, it's a good thing the new Blaser 375 H&H barrel I ordered is already in process of being threaded. Now I just have to decide between the Magnus-RR 375 or the Magnus-S-RR 375. Though Zak noted he's going with K for his 375H&H, I'm leaning towards the S version.
 
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