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ZCO527 vs NF ATACR 7-35 vs Arken EP5- (Last Light Comparison)

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    First,
    Im not an optics snob. Reliability is my #1 concern. But I have wondered what my 527, 735 and EP5 would look like against each other at last light. Both the 735 and 527 have been used for the same application. Even though it’s mounted on a Vudoo here

    Primary use for my high end optics is crop damage shooting (hunting whitetail deer for 3 months on farm fields with dnr issued permits). This is does only so being able to ID a doe from a spike is important

    Let’s get right to the No BS condensed version of what I was looking at

    Target:
    Abandoned house
    550 yards
    Gas grill as primary target
    At or past legal shooting hours
    All with sunshades on

    All comparisons were done at the same time, same targets off tripods. All were done at the same powers. Primarily 15 and 25 power

    At end of legal shooting light (2011 CST) here’s my thoughts

    - NF vs ZCO- Both were very comparable at 15 power. With the ZCO slightly edging the NF in brightness. But very slightly

    At 25 power and 27 (27 is max for ZCO) it was apparent. I compared at both powers. Not one set to 25 and other to 27. The grill in the NF appeared to be a grill. Black and stainless. Very obvious. However the ZCO at the same point could see the dials and emblem on the grill very well. While the NF washed it out. I adjusted both through the parallax range and checked for the best spots in both. My results stayed the same.

    I also compared the two against farm equipment and siding. The ZCO had the upper hand on the details. At 15 power both were very comparable. The fact the ZCO performed this well at its max power was surprising.

    So ZCO definitely had the upper hand in last light ID. But the 7-35 would probably work til last light for my use as well

    - Now for the Arken. This is a $500 optic compared to $3600 and $4000 optics. So let’s not pretend they cost the same or we expect the same performance. That said

    On 15 power the Arken had a haze. Like a white/washed out haze. Where the ZCO could see the knobs on the grill (this is 5 minutes after legal light) the Arken could barely tell it was a grill. Had I not looked earlier I’d have trouble IDing what I was looking at.

    At 25 power forget it. I started at 25 and it was so washed out I looked to see if my scope was fogged up. It was that unusable. The house was a wash let alone the grill. But we’re talking a $500 optic.

    - So in the end. The ZCO is a step on the NF but not truly until last light was it to the point where I’d say I’d make a mistake shooting a spike vs a doe. With the light pictured below they were very comparable. The ZCO edged out the NF but it wasn’t “oh my god I’m selling this NF for another ZCO”

    This test in fact told me the NF isnt going anywhere. If your picking between both on a table grab the ZCO. But I wouldn’t take a huge loss on the NF to upgrade. Just my opinion

    Now other features I’ve noted using both recently,

    - The illumination on the ZCO hands down is better than the push button on the NF

    - The non rotating ocular on the ZCO hands down beats the NF. Especially running a triggercam

    - Turrets. This is where it gets tricky. Honestly the NF turrets are awesome. I like the locking feature on the ZCO but feel and sound definitely don’t have a clear winner. The NF holds its own here

    - Reticle MPCT3 vs Mil XT. I still think the Mil XT is the shit. It’s just perfectly designed and I’m used to it. So my preference is still Mil XT

    - Parallax. ZCO hands down. More forgiving and the numbers are almost spot on. So you can reliably set it based on range. NF is about 300 yards off and you have to adjust looking through the scope

    That’s my take on hunting several times (way more with NF) with both. Then incorporating the Arken just because many wonder, including me, how it stacks up

    ZCO527/AI AT 308
    NF 7-35/Vudoo 360 .22
    Arken EP5/Tikka T1X .22

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    Pretty good write up. I really like my 5-25 ATACR, the glass and controls are very good, great reticle, I think good customer service. I do think the EP5 glass is right at the NX8 level however, and at a much better price point. All other features being an apples to oranges comparison for me with the much smaller and lighter NX8.
     
    Arken for the most versatile best scope ever made.... Naaaaa 🤣. Zco glass is really good tho... Not a fan of their locking turret design
    I like the locking turret for my use. But I can see where on the clock at a match it could cost you some points. For the windage I run my atacr covered and love the locking for the ZCO there. The NLE turrets definitely have their place thought on the elevation

    The straight up Arken for SB trade still stands though if you change your mind
     
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    Arken for the most versatile best scope ever made.... Naaaaa 🤣. Zco glass is really good tho... Not a fan of their locking turret design
    I can't tell the difference between ZCO glass and PM2 glass. They both even seem to have the same color temp/hue. Both being awesome.
     
    I like the locking turret for my use. But I can see where on the clock at a match it could cost you some points. For the windage I run my atacr covered and love the locking for the ZCO there. The NLE turrets definitely have their place thought on the elevation

    The straight up Arken for SB trade still stands though if you change your mind

    Thanks homie 😜. The other big one besides low light is mirage... When you have looked through a SB, TT, zco vs cheaper glass in soupy conditions, you start to get a return on that money
     
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    First,
    Im not an optics snob. Reliability is my #1 concern. But I have wondered what my 527, 735 and EP5 would look like against each other at last light. Both the 735 and 527 have been used for the same application. Even though it’s mounted on a Vudoo here

    Primary use for my high end optics is crop damage shooting (hunting whitetail deer for 3 months on farm fields with dnr issues permits). This is does only so being able to ID a doe from a spike is important

    Let’s get right to the No BS condensed version of what I was looking at

    Target:
    Abandoned house
    550 yards
    Gas grill as primary target
    At or past legal shooting hours
    All with sunshades on

    All comparisons were done at the same time, same targets of tripods. All we’re done at the same powers. Primarily 15 and 25 power

    At end of legal shooting light (2011 CST) here’s my thoughts

    - NF vs ZCO- Both were very compatible at 15 power. With the ZCO slightly edging the NF in brightness. But very slightly

    At 25 power and 27 (27 is max for ZCO) it was apparent. I compared at both powers. Not one set to 25 and other to 27. The grill in the NF appeared to be a grill. Black and stainless. Very obvious. However the ZCO at the same point could see the dials and emblem on the grill very well. While the NF washed it out. I adjusted both through the parallax range and checked for the best spots in both. My results stayed the same.

    I also compared the two against farm equipment and siding. The ZCO had the upper hand on the details. At 15 power both were very comparable. The fact the ZCO performed this well at its max power was surprising.

    So ZCO definitely had the upper hand in last light ID. But the 7-35 would probably work til last light for my use as well

    - Now for the Arken. This is a $500 optic compared to $3600 and $4000 optics. So let’s not pretend they cost the same or we expect the same performance. That said

    On 15 power the Arken had a haze. Like a white/washed out haze. Where the ZCO could see the knobs on the grill (this is 5 minutes after legal light) the Arken could barely tell it was a grill. Had I not looked earlier I’d have trouble IDing what I was looking at.

    At 25 power forget it. I started at 25 and it was so washed out I looked to see if my scope was fogged up. It was that unusable. The house was a wash let alone the grill. But we’re talking a $500 optic.

    - So in the end. The ZCO is a step on the NF but not truly until last light was it to the point where I’d say I’d make a mistake shooting a spike vs a doe. With the light pictured below they were very comparable. The ZCO edged out the NF but it wasn’t “oh my god I’m selling this NF for another ZCO”

    This test in fact told me the NF isnt going anywhere. If your picking between both on a table grab the ZCO. But I wouldn’t take a huge loss on the NF to upgrade. Just my opinion

    Now other features I’ve noted using both recently,

    - The illumination on the ZCO hands down is better than the push button on the NF

    - The non rotating ocular on the ZCO hands down beats the NF. Especially running a triggercam

    - Turrets. This is where it gets tricky. Honestly the NF turrets are awesome. I like the locking feature on the ZCO but feel and sound definitely don’t have a clear winner. The NF holds its own here

    - Reticle MPCT3 vs Mil XT. I still think the Mil XT is the shit. It’s just perfectly designed and I’m used to it. So my preference is still Mil XT

    - Parallax. ZCO hands down. More forgiving and the numbers are almost spot on. So you can reliably set it based on range. NF is about 300 yards off and you have to adjust looking through the scope

    That’s my take on hunting several times (way more with NF) with both. Then incorporating the Arken just because many wonder, including me, how it stacks up

    ZCO527/AI AT 308
    NF 7-35/Vudoo 360 .22
    Arken EP5/Tikka T1X .22

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    I don't have an Arken but your write up on ZCO versus NF 7-35 is spot on. My experiences are the same. My NF sits on my AI AT and it does quite well. The ZCO sits on the AXMC.

    I also had a chance to compare the ZCO 8-40 to my NF 7-35. The 8-40 didn't fare so well optically. It is not like the ZCO 5-27. Add to it the great NF turrets and I would buy the NF over the 8-40 every time
     
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    I love my ATACR F1 5-25x56 MIL-XT, but the glass certainly leaves a lot to be desired at the $3,100 MSRP price tag. The glass is extremely clear, just not bright, and is extremely dull/neutral. I like bright scopes (everyone's eyes are different), and I can see better with brighter glass. I also don't like the thick black ring and tunneling effect looking through it. It feels like a very constricted FOV inside of the scope, like looking through a roll of paper towels. But overall I love the scope, just think they need to do something about the glass in the 5-25.

    I have been eyeballing a ZCO 527 MPCT3, and have been going back and forth about dropping that coin. I just haven't quite forced myself to buy yet. 😂

    The EP5 has exceptional glass for its price. But it's still not even playing the same sport as the others, much less in the same ballpark. I don't think I'd say it's anywhere near NX8 quality... But definitely SHV quality. Possibly older NXS? But that would be pushing it, IMO...
     
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    Tonight I put the Burris E1 4.5-14 to work on an AR platform. It’s where myself and the other shooters with me first started. Boy optics have come a long ways!!
     
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    Thx for the write-up. But why were you wearing sunglasses at or past legal shooting hrs? Or did I read that wrong?
     
    Thx for the write-up. But why were you wearing sunglasses at or past legal shooting hrs? Or did I read that wrong?
    I take it you’re referring to the sunshades?

    That’s on the scope. Each scope has the shade on in the pic and was tested as such, mainly because when I use them for my application I have more issues with bright sun in the optic vs needing the last bit of light due to the ending of shooting hours

    So I don’t remove them before dark. They live on the scopes 24/7 and that’s why I compared that way
     
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    I take it you’re referring to the sunshades?

    That’s on the scope. Each scope has the shade on in the pic and was tested as such, mainly because when I use them for my application I have more issues with bright sun in the optic vs needing the last bit of light due to the ending of shooting hours

    So I don’t remove them before dark. They live on the scopes 24/7 and that’s why I compared that way
    Ahhhhhhhhhh lol

    Here I was thinking you were going all CHiPS on me.

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    Jesus I need some more sleep lol

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    Great writeup hafe, low light is definitely the challenger of all optics, you really begin to see how much better/worse a scope is once light levels begin to fade. I appreciate the time you took to write this up and share your thoughts.
     
    If you are buying Japanese glass why not get the best and go vortex? NF is overrated af
    I’ve owned several vortex as well. From the HS and PST lineup. They do truly have the best customer service 😁 I’ve used it several times….

    NF over vortex any day
     
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    I’ve owned several vortex as well. From the HS and PST lineup. They do truly have the best customer service 😁 I’ve used it several times….

    NF over vortex any day
    Yea anything below the razor line blows but I would never take an atacr over a razor g3...


    Hope you never need nf service better have an attorney on standby...
     
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    Yea anything below the razor line blows but I would never take an atacr over a razor g3...


    Hope you never need nf service better have an attorney on standby...
    When I need it I’ll let you know how it works out. So far owned many from NXS to atacr. Haven’t needed it yet. Which for me not using the CS is more important than how good the CS is.

    Someday I may try a razor. May even get one for my Vudoo. But generally I’m looking into a Cronus in that category. Which have been excellent as well
     
    Great write up man. ZCO is in the mail so I’ll get the side by side this weekend. Worst case I sell both and buy a Tasco super sniper for the AXSR.
     
    Great write up man. ZCO is in the mail so I’ll get the side by side this weekend. Worst case I sell both and buy a Tasco super sniper for the AXSR.
    I plan to side by side them in the daylight but as stated above I’m not an optics snob. So even the Arken is decent in the daylight setting. As most optics are. I would like to test them in heavy mirage though

    My main shooting aside from casual steel plinking and fclass is crop damage as noted above. So lots of hunting scenarios where low light or fields with darker background like trees come into play. Proper identification is key to what I’m using mine for. Which is why the test I did above was most important for me.

    I plan to compare them more this year. Just in my yard side by side. I can compare out to about 900 yd from my house so should be decent for mirage even. This is a sample size of 1 of course for each optic above. Others results may vary

    I just picked up a Gen 2 Cronus as well for my Vudoo. So I’ll get that side my side as well. In normal lighting my Gen 1 Cronus wasn’t far from the glass in my atacr.
     
    I plan to side by side them in the daylight but as stated above I’m not an optics snob. So even the Arken is decent in the daylight setting. As most optics are. I would like to test them in heavy mirage though

    My main shooting aside from casual steel plinking and fclass is crop damage as noted above. So lots of hunting scenarios where low light or fields with darker background like trees come into play. Proper identification is key to what I’m using mine for. Which is why the test I did above was most important for me.

    I plan to compare them more this year. Just in my yard side by side. I can compare out to about 900 yd from my house so should be decent for mirage even. This is a sample size of 1 of course for each optic above. Others results may vary

    I just picked up a Gen 2 Cronus as well for my Vudoo. So I’ll get that side my side as well. In normal lighting my Gen 1 Cronus wasn’t far from the glass in my atacr.
    Nice. I’ll take em both up in the mountains and out into the desert this weekend or next. Get some footage for funsies.
     
    Only thing your gunna find is you shoulda bought that SB 636 🤣
    Won’t work with the trigger cam and wife wants me to record matches. If someone comes out with a camera that fits the SB636, I’ll sell the ATACR and get one …then side by side the ZCO and sb636