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The war in Ukraine and Donbas

WTF, there were active duty French troops in Ukraine'?
It’s only a guess, but I would be surprised if there were not CIA contractors and some high speed low drag US active members busily working in Ukraine for months already. Probably an open “secret” in the community. Lloyd was probably badly wounded over there too.
 
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take the faggotry and hyperbole out of your mouth when you talk to me

what commies and faggots like you, who throw around terms like enslaved, stupid, pointless and more, forget is that for each of those scumbag pos dodgers, someone else went in their place. They deserve neither my respect nor my citizenship or the protections of our gov't.

you can fuck off like them and don't ever address me with that faggotry in your mouth again

Unlike you, I actually understand the real meaning of individual freedom, actual real liberty and actual God given human agency.
And as such I will feel free to point out to you as much as I want the error of your ways and how your blind jingoism and swallowing propaganda is wrong.
You don't have to listen to the truth if you don't want.

But understand when the time comes and the NWO puts in plain their final great war to bring about the downfall of the current order of man so the servants of the Illuminated One can rise to power, I and others that understand freedom will be taking up arms against any and all who try to kidnap and enslave people to go kill and die for the Global Elites and that may include a bunch of stupid "good folks" who have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker and have their jingoistic heads wrapped up in false glory and are all demanding for and trying to enforce some "draft" or "conscription".

It is coming, just listen to what the puppets of the Global Elites are saying all across Europe.

Yes "draft" or "conscription" is Slavery, it IS enslavement, it IS a violation of human rights and freedom. It IS state sponsored kidnapping at gunpoint.
It IS and ALWAYS has been EVIL.

If people want to go fight a war willingly, I have no problem with that, and great for them.
But when a government tried to enslave, kidnap, and force people to fight a war, then you know it's not a righteous cause.

It seems I hit a nerve with you.

Hopefully you wake up and understand the truth and such before it's too late.

Because it IS coming.

The Global Elites long ago openly said their plain. They will play stupid "good folks" like fools and pied piper them into genocide and elimination as they stuff their minds full of jingoistic propaganda and make sure they hate anyone who sees the truth.

I'll address you however I want, when ever I want, and that's my right just as it is your right to not listen and not agree.
 
England has been a dick country for so long, it amazes me that anyone is on good terms with them. I read that Javier Milei is making a point about Argentina wanting the Malvinas/Falklands back.
goody another idiot war we can start or get into. but,i doubt melei is serious. argentina is broke and he says he is trying to save their economy. can't afford a war. i.e. unlesss biden pays for it? i think he is saying that for domestic stroking as a distraction of the more violent parts of the arg gov.
 
Lookup green hornets and Vietnam, not the helicopter but Dexedrine. Same stuff.

How do you think B29 crews stayed awake for 20 hours on a long flight to Japan.

You are right they are not the only ones......but.

We learned there is a point when everything falls apart. The body says, nope no more if you try to keep it going on that stuff for too long. You need down time. And in the case of the US, at least in both of those examples the people had the down time.

Germans on the eastern front, nope not so much.

It is pretty interesting reading on this.
Caffeine can be as effective except for the problem it’s daily use pretty much has curbed its effectiveness.
 
Unlike you, I actually understand the real meaning of individual freedom, actual real liberty and actual God given human agency.
And as such I will feel free to point out to you as much as I want the error of your ways and how your blind jingoism and swallowing propaganda is wrong.
You don't have to listen to the truth if you don't want.

But understand when the time comes and the NWO puts in plain their final great war to bring about the downfall of the current order of man so the servants of the Illuminated One can rise to power, I and others that understand freedom will be taking up arms against any and all who try to kidnap and enslave people to go kill and die for the Global Elites and that may include a bunch of stupid "good folks" who have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker and have their jingoistic heads wrapped up in false glory and are all demanding for and trying to enforce some "draft" or "conscription".

It is coming, just listen to what the puppets of the Global Elites are saying all across Europe.

Yes "draft" or "conscription" is Slavery, it IS enslavement, it IS a violation of human rights and freedom. It IS state sponsored kidnapping at gunpoint.
It IS and ALWAYS has been EVIL.

If people want to go fight a war willingly, I have no problem with that, and great for them.
But when a government tried to enslave, kidnap, and force people to fight a war, then you know it's not a righteous cause.

It seems I hit a nerve with you.

Hopefully you wake up and understand the truth and such before it's too late.

Because it IS coming.

The Global Elites long ago openly said their plain. They will play stupid "good folks" like fools and pied piper them into genocide and elimination as they stuff their minds full of jingoistic propaganda and make sure they hate anyone who sees the truth.

I'll address you however I want, when ever I want, and that's my right just as it is your right to not listen and not agree.
we now have pretty good evidence that vietnam was a put up job. by our MIC ? likely but could have been a real but misdirected effort to stop communism. that failed for sure. we will likely never really know. the anti war movement was tied up with radical civil rights elements,women's lib,abortion,sexual revolution et al. indeed all were heavily funded and driven by the kgb. as usual their plan worked. the nation was torn apart and still is. the universities and media were started on their current abominable path at that time. however,the hippies were 100% right about vietnam. we had NO national interest at risk. the american people eventually got on board with stopping the war. yes,at any price which kissenger and nixon provided. the military went all volunteer with no draft. that worked very well for about 40 years. not doing well now for too many reasons to even get into here. imprison or shoot US draft dodgers,russian exPOWs, ukrainian ex pats? i guess we do have pro biden,pro NWO,anti freedom,fascists on here. or maybe just fbi shit stirrers? of course we do.
 
It’s only a guess, but I would be surprised if there were not CIA contractors and some high speed low drag US active members busily working in Ukraine for months already. Probably an open “secret” in the community. Lloyd was probably badly wounded over there too.

I have a buddy that's ex-CIA.

He kind of hinted that that's happening.

I don't buy Lloyd rumors though.
 
Big Mike poked him a little too hard in the prostate, he just needs some ice packs and maybe a trucker's donut.

Does anyone remember the Gina Haspel rumors? How she was shot in Germany when on some sort of a secret mission to retrieve CIA servers?

The Lloyd rumors remind me a lot of that.
 
unfortunately no, we'd of not shot them as they deserve
I have more respect for those that ignored or otherwise “dodged” the draft than for those that gave in to the gov’ts tyrannical threats. Fighting in a foreign war for politicians and bankers isn’t patriotic. You seem to still be indoctrinated and that’s a shame. I would die defending my sons from those who think they have the right to force them into gov’t. My enemy at the time wouldn’t have been the Vietnamese. It’s sad so many willingly turned over their sons to die. Shameful.
 

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I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends. Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie.The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.- By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone. - Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.- In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.- The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.- Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."- It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.- Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats. - The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.- They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”. - Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare. They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that. Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation.I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.


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I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends. Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie.The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.- By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone. - Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.- In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.- The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.- Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."- It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.- Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats. - The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.- They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”. - Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare. They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that. Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation.I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.


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The reality of war in your home country is pretty terrible. Avoiding it by mean tweets and tough negotiations helps the cannon fodder class more than they realize.
 
I'm guessing the Ukraine has pretty much run out of intelligent NAZIs to send to the front and since they are now basically press ganging the old, weak, women, mentally disabled into being cannon fodder they don't have anyone to run all the high tech coffins on tracks and such that the European imperialists are handing them.

So I'm guessing the "advisors" are actually there to help run the equipment.

Much like there was some stories a bit ago about the Russians pulling actual German army troops out of the blowed up German tanks.
It seems like everyone wanted to keep that quiet as Germans in tanks rolling through the Ukraine en route to Russia kind of is how you bring up enough memories of WWII to get hot WWIII started up.

I just wonder how long the west will be able to keep covering up deaths as "training accidents" on the home front before their citizens understand it's all a lie.

It sounds like the Russians finally decided to stop playing games with the Western Imperialists and take the gloves off and say you come fight alongside the NAZIs th at are trying to kill us, well then you die like the NAZI scum.

Well, how many of our own die in miscellaneous "training accidents" , even on foreign grounds? Was discussing this yesterday with someone, before the below was printed. Remember the missing, (now dead), SEALs in Somalia from last week was initially reported as "missing in a training incident"? Hypothetically, what if it the truth was known by our TPB that not only were killed in action, but tortured first and their bodies desecrated both in away to politically and/or religious humiliate the bodies young men and anger us (or just highlight our weakness in responseby a feckless and/or "p-owned" leader)? What if a payment had to be made not to do Fallujah bridge-type display? Would Poopypants Pedopeter even be told the truth? How many times does this happen not only the family isn't informed but the superior officers also kept in the dark? How many stories are made up on tarmacs?

 
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Well, how many of our own die in miscellaneous "training accidents" , even on foreign grounds? Was discussing this yesterday with someone, before the below was printed. Remember the missing, (now dead), SEALs in Somalia from last week was initially reported as "missing in a training incident"? Hypothetically, what if it the truth was known by our TPB that not only were killed in action, but tortured first and their bodies desecrated both in away to politically and/or religious humiliate the bodies young men and anger us (or just highlight our weakness in responseby a feckless and/or "p-owned" leader) What if a payment had to be made not to do Fallujah bridge-type display? Would Poppypants Pedopeter even be told the truth? How many times does this happen not only the family isn't informed but the superior officers also kept in the dark? How many stories are made up on tarmacs?


These could have been lost in Yemen, but being a new Illegal war and what not they first tried to sell it as a training accident and after they figured that wouldn't quite fly they took a dhow with some Iranian rocket parts and ran with it..
 
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So AI controled tanks roll into New Syrian Republics = Nothern Europe while Russians also cut their own shipping Route and waste missiles on civilian targets.

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I imagined AI fembots taking on EUstan of Muslem republics in 2044 , but would probably need to come dressed in burqas
 

there is already episode II in the making, someone released the script and filming should start in July...
 

there is already episode II in the making, someone released the script and filming should start in July...
They need to get something else going, people are beginning to see the truth about the entire Uke/Russia thing.....that and they don't care anymore.

We need to keep the money rolling in there.....it is getting more difficult.

That is the issue with lies, the truth comes out sooner or later.....unless......

You have been to room 101.
 
They need to get something else going, people are beginning to see the truth about the entire Uke/Russia thing.....that and they don't care anymore.

We need to keep the money rolling in there.....it is getting more difficult.

That is the issue with lies, the truth comes out sooner or later.....unless......

You have been to room 101.

They need a distraction from the farmers' protests.
 
The POW transport shootdown seems to be designed to enable the removal of the head of Ukrainian armed forces by Zelensky

The specifics of this incident therefore lead to suspicion that these detained troops were deliberately targeted by Ukrainian air defense controllers who were operating the Patriot air defense systems on Wednesday for the reasons that will now be explained. The backdrop to what happened was that Russia’s foreign spy agency predicted an impending bureaucratic reshuffle on Monday a day before a former Pentagon official reported on rumors that Zelensky might oust Zaluzhny.

Stephen Bryen, who served as staff director of the Near East Subcommittee of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee and as deputy undersecretary of defense for policy and is currently a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy and Yorktown Institute, published the article on his Substack. According to him, the Ukrainian leader wants to replace the Commander-in-Chief with military intelligence head Budanov, and he’s planning to do so by blaming Zaluzhny for recent battlefield losses near Avdeevka.

Zelensky’s top rival commands immense respect among the armed forces and civil society, the first of which are growing so angry with their leadership’s military plans that there was even a whiff of mutiny in the New York Times’ report last month about the Kyrnki debacle. Aware of how much Ukraine’s already fragile military-political dynamics had been destabilized by the failed counteroffensive, an expert from the influential Atlantic Council called on Zelensky to form a “government of national unity” a month ago.

Adrian Karatnycky’s demand was made through his article for Politico and sold as the best way to preemptively avert potentially forthcoming protests with the innuendo being that it could also neutralize any possibly impending plans for a military coup that could occur independently of those protests. The dilemma that Zelensky found himself in is that complying with Karatnycky’s proposal could signal weakness and lead to the end of his political career while removing Zaluzhny could lead to a mutiny.

In any case, the sequence of events from mid-December up until Wednesday’s IL-76 incident – especially the aforementioned statement that preceded Bryen’s report about Zelensky’s plans to replace Zaluzhny with the much more politically reliable Budanov by a single day – suggested deepening intrigue in Kiev.

After what just happened following Kiev’s downing of a plane full of Ukrainian POWs by air defense operators, the public pretext has now been created for replacing him if he wants to.

All things considered, blaming Zaluzhny – perhaps by claiming that he should have verified alleged intelligence about the IL-76’s cargo before shooting it down in order to make this seem like an unfortunate accident – is the most politically convenient option at Zelensky and his US patron’s disposal. It could shift the blame from them to him and facilitate Zaluzhny’s replacement with Budanov without much resistance from the armed forces or civil society.
 
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The POW transport shootdown seems to be designed to enable the removal of the head of Ukrainian armed forces by Zelensky

The specifics of this incident therefore lead to suspicion that these detained troops were deliberately targeted by Ukrainian air defense controllers who were operating the Patriot air defense systems on Wednesday for the reasons that will now be explained. The backdrop to what happened was that Russia’s foreign spy agency predicted an impending bureaucratic reshuffle on Monday a day before a former Pentagon official reported on rumors that Zelensky might oust Zaluzhny.

Stephen Bryen, who served as staff director of the Near East Subcommittee of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee and as deputy undersecretary of defense for policy and is currently a senior fellow at the Center for Security Policy and Yorktown Institute, published the article on his Substack. According to him, the Ukrainian leader wants to replace the Commander-in-Chief with military intelligence head Budanov, and he’s planning to do so by blaming Zaluzhny for recent battlefield losses near Avdeevka.

Zelensky’s top rival commands immense respect among the armed forces and civil society, the first of which are growing so angry with their leadership’s military plans that there was even a whiff of mutiny in the New York Times’ report last month about the Kyrnki debacle. Aware of how much Ukraine’s already fragile military-political dynamics had been destabilized by the failed counteroffensive, an expert from the influential Atlantic Council called on Zelensky to form a “government of national unity” a month ago.

Adrian Karatnycky’s demand was made through his article for Politico and sold as the best way to preemptively avert potentially forthcoming protests with the innuendo being that it could also neutralize any possibly impending plans for a military coup that could occur independently of those protests. The dilemma that Zelensky found himself in is that complying with Karatnycky’s proposal could signal weakness and lead to the end of his political career while removing Zaluzhny could lead to a mutiny.

In any case, the sequence of events from mid-December up until Wednesday’s IL-76 incident – especially the aforementioned statement that preceded Bryen’s report about Zelensky’s plans to replace Zaluzhny with the much more politically reliable Budanov by a single day – suggested deepening intrigue in Kiev.

After what just happened following Kiev’s downing of a plane full of Ukrainian POWs by air defense operators, the public pretext has now been created for replacing him if he wants to.

All things considered, blaming Zaluzhny – perhaps by claiming that he should have verified alleged intelligence about the IL-76’s cargo before shooting it down in order to make this seem like an unfortunate accident – is the most politically convenient option at Zelensky and his US patron’s disposal. It could shift the blame from them to him and facilitate Zaluzhny’s replacement with Budanov without much resistance from the armed forces or civil society.
Zelensky will end up in a ditch with several through and through body vents.
 
NATO... These people are scum. That is all you need to know.
just thought it was notable because other "sources" are trying to scare folks by saying that russia will attack nato after ukraine.
 


I don't think the people are going to buy it.

We are 2.5 years into this and the russians seem to be just playing a waiting game. I have a feeling they are laughing their asses off.
 
I don't think the people are going to buy it.

We are 2.5 years into this and the russians seem to be just playing a waiting game. I have a feeling they are laughing their asses off.
I live in the Netherlands and it's all over the news that we have to prepare for war.
They are advising people to buy a flashlight and a radio on battery.
And a lot of people believe it, suckers.
 
I don't think the people are going to buy it.

We are 2.5 years into this and the russians seem to be just playing a waiting game. I have a feeling they are laughing their asses off.
nato dude already said it was bullshit.

 
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I live in the Netherlands and it's all over the news that we have to prepare for war.
They are advising people to buy a flashlight and a radio on battery.
And a lot of people believe it, suckers.
That is interesting to see that from your point of view.

When questioned how does their thought process work through that.

I always have fun with that personally, just play dumb and like I don't know enough about it all can you explain it to me please.

Sadly with me it usually ends with them walking away or screaming at me.
 
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That is interesting to see that from your point of view.

When questioned how does their thought process work through that.

I always have fun with that personally, just play dumb and like I don't know enough about it all can you explain it to me please.

Sadly with me it usually ends with them walking away or screaming at me.
I am also doing the 'dumb' thing with liberal from time to time, especially regarding 'defense' type stuff. Sometimes that gives interesting results like you mentioned. Or you get the weirdest explanation, scenario...

I like to say 'that's conspiracy shit right here'. That blows their mind, like nuclear explosion in their brain.