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Illegal aliens are killing Colorado’s second-largest hospital

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By Andrea Widburg

Unlike conservatives, who tend to be linear, simplistic thinkers, in part because conservativism is about clarity and clarity leads to an Occam’s Razor simplicity, leftists are more Machiavellian, hatching ideas that achieve multiple goals. That’s the case with illegal immigration: It adds probable Democrat voters (both legal and illegal), plumps up the census numbers for more representatives in the House, provides gardeners and housecleaners…and their numbers help break the system, which is the Cloward-Piven strategy to pave the way for full socialism. If the fate of Denver Health Medical Care is anything to go by, the Cloward-Piven plan is working.

Here’s what you need to know to appreciate the import of what’s happening to Denver Health. First, Colorado is a sanctuary state. Second, Denver Health is the largest hospital in Denver and the second largest in Colorado. It’s also one of only five Level I Trauma Centers in the whole state. With that in mind, here’s the story.
The Denver Post is reporting (hat tip: Legal Insurrection) that Denver Health is near the breaking point and that it cannot survive more illegal aliens. According to the report, it ended 2022 with a $35 million deficit. Although the books aren’t quite closed on 2023, the deficit was even worse last year. The only reason the hospital survived was because it got $20 million from the state, Kaiser Permanente Colorado, and private donors.

Overall, in 2023, the hospital failed to receive payment for $136 million in services provided. This amount included the gap between what the hospital charged Medicare versus what Medicare actually paid. Unfortunately for Denver Health, fewer than 15% of its patients have private insurance, which pays a greater percentage of the fee charged than Medicare does.


Because Denver Health is a public hospital, its CEO, Donna Lynne, spelled out the hospital’s dire financial state in a public appearance before the Denver City Council’s finance and government committee. The most interesting part of the statement, aside from the overall economic problems the hospital is facing, is the role of Biden’s open border:

In the last year, 8,000 migrants who came to Denver from Central America made about 20,000 visits to the health system, for needs including dental emergencies, mental health counseling and childbirth, Lynne said. The state and federal governments aren’t reimbursing the cost of those visits, which runs into the millions, she said.
“While I have tremendous compassion for what’s going on, it’s heartbreaking, it’s going to break Denver Health,” she said.

The city estimated more than 36,000 migrants have arrived since December 2022, and about half have decided to stay. Most are fleeing a humanitarian crisis in Venezuela.
As a general matter, our medical system is financially unsustainable. There are four major problems:

Insurance. Medical insurance was originally meant to cover emergency costs. Now, it covers everything. It’s simply a cost-shifting device. Therefore, it seriously perverts the marketplace.

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In a free market, the buyer and seller find a mutually agreeable price for goods and services. However, private insurance breaks that bond. The buyer doesn’t care about the price, and the seller is engaged in a price negotiation with a company that doesn’t care about the service and, moreover, that has enormous heft. This three-way system also adds huge management costs, with entire departments in hospitals and full staff in doctor’s offices dedicated to trying to wring money from insurance companies.

To offset the fact that most insurance companies impose discounts on bills, medical providers keep raising their fees. Thus, in a free market, if they felt their service was worth $100, they’d charge $100, and the patient would pay. However, in an insurance-driven market, to get $100, they charge $200. These artificially inflated fees—which sometimes get paid in full—pervert the marketplace.


Government programs. These programs have the same pernicious effect as private insurance, only worse. For hospitals and doctors to get $100, they must charge $1,000. The perversion is even greater.

Pharmaceutical companies. Do I need to say anything about drug costs? The only thing I’ll add is that when countries with socialized medicine boast about how cheaply they sell important drugs to their citizens, remember that they’re able to do that because the same companies offset those losses by charging more in America. The money for research and development, advertising, and profits must come from somewhere.

The change in medical care. Medical care used to be a doctor, a black bag, and herbal medicines and procedures that, if they didn’t kill you, would leave you weaker. Later, care was simple but effective surgeries and miracle drugs. Now, medicine is a money-driven technological science. The technological investment in even the most pared-down doctor’s office is enormous. When you get to hospitals that must keep up with the latest machines for tests and procedures, the cost is almost incomprehensible. And again, someone has to pay.

If you add to all these economic burdens the cost of caring for millions of people who have no right to be in America, and who know that they’ll get treated for free, this fragile system cannot hold. It will collapse. And that’s what Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven dreamed of all along: They wanted to break the system and force socialism.
 
Important info for sure. Thanks for posting it.
 
The libby's are surely linear in their plan. The commie plan.

To destroy America do A. A then leads to B, B to C and so on.

We're on E.

California is giving them all free healthcare and my buddy in Seattle says Wa. State is planning the same.

Where's my free shit?

I'm a citizen and after 74 years still have to pay nearly $200 a month for medicare and another $100 for a back up plan.
 
Yep, the system here in CO is already swarmed to overkill. Wait times between 6-8hrs in EDs. People come into the ED for runny noses. The primary care doc are leaving the state or are retiring and no replacement of lost services, so now they all go to the ED for non ED things.

They are building so much here in Colorado Springs and Fountain, the infrastructure isn't there to support it.

They just built 400 housing units behind the ED I used to work at and just waiting to hear the stories once people start moving in there.

This was a stand alone 7 bed ED, meant for small emergencies. I started there in OCT of 22 and we would see between 35-40 patients in a 12hr shift. Now they are averaging between 60-70 in a 12hr shift. That much influx in a year.

Now less than two miles from the ED, they are midway through building 1800 single family homes. What do you think will happen at that point.

No plans to build anymore medical facilities by any of the hospital systems in that area either.

This is all planned to overload the system, the .gov will step in to "fix" the same problem they created.

I quit because of this BS. I also couldn't play pretend anymore.

Doc
 

By Andrea Widburg

Unlike conservatives, who tend to be linear, simplistic thinkers, in part because conservativism is about clarity and clarity leads to an Occam’s Razor simplicity, leftists are more Machiavellian, hatching ideas that achieve multiple goals. That’s the case with illegal immigration: It adds probable Democrat voters (both legal and illegal), plumps up the census numbers for more representatives in the House, provides gardeners and housecleaners…and their numbers help break the system, which is the Cloward-Piven strategy to pave the way for full socialism. If the fate of Denver Health Medical Care is anything to go by, the Cloward-Piven plan is working.

Here’s what you need to know to appreciate the import of what’s happening to Denver Health. First, Colorado is a sanctuary state. Second, Denver Health is the largest hospital in Denver and the second largest in Colorado. It’s also one of only five Level I Trauma Centers in the whole state. With that in mind, here’s the story.
The Denver Post is reporting (hat tip: Legal Insurrection) that Denver Health is near the breaking point and that it cannot survive more illegal aliens. According to the report, it ended 2022 with a $35 million deficit. Although the books aren’t quite closed on 2023, the deficit was even worse last year. The only reason the hospital survived was because it got $20 million from the state, Kaiser Permanente Colorado, and private donors.

Overall, in 2023, the hospital failed to receive payment for $136 million in services provided. This amount included the gap between what the hospital charged Medicare versus what Medicare actually paid. Unfortunately for Denver Health, fewer than 15% of its patients have private insurance, which pays a greater percentage of the fee charged than Medicare does.


Because Denver Health is a public hospital, its CEO, Donna Lynne, spelled out the hospital’s dire financial state in a public appearance before the Denver City Council’s finance and government committee. The most interesting part of the statement, aside from the overall economic problems the hospital is facing, is the role of Biden’s open border:


As a general matter, our medical system is financially unsustainable. There are four major problems:

Insurance. Medical insurance was originally meant to cover emergency costs. Now, it covers everything. It’s simply a cost-shifting device. Therefore, it seriously perverts the marketplace.

7_74_19.gif

In a free market, the buyer and seller find a mutually agreeable price for goods and services. However, private insurance breaks that bond. The buyer doesn’t care about the price, and the seller is engaged in a price negotiation with a company that doesn’t care about the service and, moreover, that has enormous heft. This three-way system also adds huge management costs, with entire departments in hospitals and full staff in doctor’s offices dedicated to trying to wring money from insurance companies.

To offset the fact that most insurance companies impose discounts on bills, medical providers keep raising their fees. Thus, in a free market, if they felt their service was worth $100, they’d charge $100, and the patient would pay. However, in an insurance-driven market, to get $100, they charge $200. These artificially inflated fees—which sometimes get paid in full—pervert the marketplace.


Government programs. These programs have the same pernicious effect as private insurance, only worse. For hospitals and doctors to get $100, they must charge $1,000. The perversion is even greater.

Pharmaceutical companies. Do I need to say anything about drug costs? The only thing I’ll add is that when countries with socialized medicine boast about how cheaply they sell important drugs to their citizens, remember that they’re able to do that because the same companies offset those losses by charging more in America. The money for research and development, advertising, and profits must come from somewhere.

The change in medical care. Medical care used to be a doctor, a black bag, and herbal medicines and procedures that, if they didn’t kill you, would leave you weaker. Later, care was simple but effective surgeries and miracle drugs. Now, medicine is a money-driven technological science. The technological investment in even the most pared-down doctor’s office is enormous. When you get to hospitals that must keep up with the latest machines for tests and procedures, the cost is almost incomprehensible. And again, someone has to pay.

If you add to all these economic burdens the cost of caring for millions of people who have no right to be in America, and who know that they’ll get treated for free, this fragile system cannot hold. It will collapse. And that’s what Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven dreamed of all along: They wanted to break the system and force socialism.
you are absolutely correct. the institution of 3rd party payment was the start of our current disaster. that goes back to FDR and his freeze of wage/price at the start of ww2. to get the work of the limited # of skilled workers companies had to start adding "fringe benefits" to get people. numbers were reduced by military service as well then. at the time in germany and russia brute force,slave labor and propaganda took up some slack. socialist programs took the place fringe benefits did here. women were recruited into heavy industry. that led to a bunch of other stuff.
it has gotten to the point that "benefits" are as or more important to workers as salary.
drug companies are 100% involved in the current scams. doctors and hospitals got deeply involved in ripping the system with the start of medicare in '65.
costs show no sign of coming under control. how did socialism work in england? to me the system is not fixable,so a collapse is inevitable. the quality of care is in the shitter from what i see in my limited way. same with everything else in our society. i sure have no ideas.
 
I work for a system in Denver that does charity work.
Lots
No big state $$
We dont do gender reassignment.
Or abortions
I can pray with patients and families.
And do.
Prayer over the intercom daily.

Denver Health is a communist cesspool and has been for years.
Most of the plan to ruin it was in “The Affordable Care Act” we got under Obummer.
The one we “had to pass to know what is in it”.



Keep your faith strong.
Do not be swayed
No not focus on your anger (saying this to myself as much as anyone)
 
Yep, the system here in CO is already swarmed to overkill. Wait times between 6-8hrs in EDs. People come into the ED for runny noses. The primary care doc are leaving the state or are retiring and no replacement of lost services, so now they all go to the ED for non ED things.

They are building so much here in Colorado Springs and Fountain, the infrastructure isn't there to support it.

They just built 400 housing units behind the ED I used to work at and just waiting to hear the stories once people start moving in there.

This was a stand alone 7 bed ED, meant for small emergencies. I started there in OCT of 22 and we would see between 35-40 patients in a 12hr shift. Now they are averaging between 60-70 in a 12hr shift. That much influx in a year.

Now less than two miles from the ED, they are midway through building 1800 single family homes. What do you think will happen at that point.

No plans to build anymore medical facilities by any of the hospital systems in that area either.

This is all planned to overload the system, the .gov will step in to "fix" the same problem they created.

I quit because of this BS. I also couldn't play pretend anymore.

Doc
yep. been seeing this stuff most of my life. tampa in 80s,orlando in 90s,gainesville now,everywhere in FL; 100s of single home developments,1000 unit apartment complexes all on 2 lane roads. no roads or other infrastructure added except power and phone lines. county managers on multi acre spreads out of town.
 
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I work for a system in Denver that does charity work.
Lots
No big state $$
We dont do gender reassignment.
Or abortions
I can pray with patients and families.
And do.
Prayer over the intercom daily.

Denver Health is a communist cesspool and has been for years.
Most of the plan to ruin it was in “The Affordable Care Act” we got under Obummer.
The one we “had to pass to know what is in it”.



Keep your faith strong.
Do not be swayed
No not focus on your anger (saying this to myself as much as anyone)
I work 3 blocks away from Denver Health and have heard many horror stories. If I ever get hurt at work and end up there I will be leaving as soon as absolutely possible
 
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Let me guess, pregnant females filling the rooms to shit their anchor turds "Ay, Ay, Ay..." while others are there for stomach issues such as Giardia, gas and dysentary.

Then there's the TB, leprosy and polio cases.
 
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Well you had a choice during the elections. Your state made a choice and now you have to live with it. Personally I really DON'T care. Play with fire and you get burned. 😟
 
yep. been seeing this stuff most of my life. tampa in 80s,orlando in 90s,gainesville now,everywhere in FL; 100s of single home developments,1000 unit apartment complexes all on 2 lane roads. no roads or other infrastructure added except power and phone lines. county managers on multi acre spreads out of town.
The one they built behind the ED I worked at, has three routes out of it. One into a two lane rd that is already is severely backed up in the morning because it goes to I25 and into fort Carson, everyone knows how those gates are in the mornings. The second route goes out into another two lane rd l, that just so happens to connect to the first road. The third is literally a side street that runs along the side of Kum and Go.......

No new schools, that are already full up, no medical facilities, no fire/EMS or police, nothing......plus this one will be 40% low income........so there's that also. There will be increase crime and zero ways to deal with it.

The red pin is where they are building these houses at.

Doc
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Let me guess, pregnant females filling the rooms to shit their anchor turds while others are there for stomach issues such as Giardia, gas and dysentary.

Then there's the TB, leprosy and polio cases.
It's weird you say that, because some nurses up in Denver just took an experimental Ebola "vaccine".......

Doc
 
Well you had a choice during the elections. Your state made a choice and now you have to live with it. Personally I really DON'T care. Play with fire and you get burned. 😟
Yeah, ok guy. I'm sure the people in GA, PA AZ also had choices during the elections also.....

I'm a staunch conservative......

Join date, 2014
Today's date 2024....
Total posts, 12.....

Go away glow

Doc
 
Killing a hospital.....LOL.....see my tears?

Healthcare in this country is a fucking joke! Id say we are approaching a point, where you might be better off putting some Tussin on it!

I think the last specialist I saw was scheduled out 4 months.
 
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Yeah, ok guy. I'm sure the people in GA, PA AZ also had choices during the elections also.....

I'm a staunch conservative......

Join date, 2014
Today's date 2024....
Total posts, 12.....

Go away glow

Doc
What's wrong I only have a few posts so I have to ask fer permission to speak. Oh I know your trauma center is too big to fail. Sorry California east, I mean Colorado Maybe it's time one of these sanctuary states pays for their own decisions. That'll learn ya next time ya want to be so generous. Permission to speak boss?
 
Wtf does GA. AZ and PA have to do with the local government of Colorado? What are you a fucking retard? Oh wait I know the answer
Well since you can't realize their elections were stolen also.....

Go away glow ......you're shining and sound very vaccinated......

Another account that has 12 posts in 10 years and then all of the sudden posts.......

Glowie alert.....

Doc
 
What's wrong I only have a few posts so I have to ask fer permission to speak. Oh I know your trauma center is too big to fail. Sorry California east, I mean Colorado Maybe it's time one of these sanctuary states pays for their own decisions. That'll learn ya next time ya want to be so generous. Permission to speak boss?
Dude, I don't work for them.....or any hospital.....

Go away glowie.....

We know how your ghost accounts work......

God, y'all are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days......

All your posts are literally since last Thursday.....

So in 10 years you had absolutely zero to contribute.....but since last Thursday you are filled with all this wisdom now.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Doc
 
Well since you can't realize their elections were stolen also.....

Go away glow......you're shining and sound very vaccinated......

Another account that has 12 posts in 10 years and then all of the sudden posts.......

Glowie alert.....

Doc
13 posts now tard. I can keep this up all night. Stolen elections. Lol. Too bad blotch. You should work this hard convincing your fellow Coloradans that socialism and sanctuary cities are bad and you won't have to come on a firearms forum to cry about it. You sound like the jackals who was crying about reloading prices and others buying too much. Maybe your dad didn't raise you right. I don't know I ain't dr Phil. But I can be your huckleberry
 
Dude, I don't work for them.....or any hospital.....

Go away glowie.....

We know how your ghost accounts work......

God, y'all are scraping the bottom of the barrel these days......

All your posts are literally since last Thursday.....

So in 10 years you had absolutely zero to contribute.....but since last Thursday you are filled with all this wisdom now.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Doc
Seriously you must be a retard, I don't give 2 💩 who you work for or who you're fucking. That's your problem. I'm usually a lurker just reading. I don't need 2000+ forum post so i can feel important. Like you're somebody. Is that 14 or 15 posts now. Getting that count up for cred. Tard
 
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The one they built behind the ED I worked at, has three routes out of it. One into a two lane rd that is already is severely backed up in the morning because it goes to I25 and into fort Carson, everyone knows how those gates are in the mornings. The second route goes out into another two lane rd l, that just so happens to connect to the first road. The third is literally a side street that runs along the side of Kum and Go.......

No new schools, that are already full up, no medical facilities, no fire/EMS or police, nothing......plus this one will be 40% low income........so there's that also. There will be increase crime and zero ways to deal with it.

The red pin is where they are building these houses at.

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florida light. been same here decades. bilateral corrupt city management,actually everywhere it seems.
 
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13 posts now tard. I can keep this up all night. Stolen elections. Lol. Too bad blotch. You should work this hard convincing your fellow Coloradans that socialism and sanctuary cities are bad and you won't have to come on a firearms forum to cry about it. You sound like the jackals who was crying about reloading prices and others buying too much. Maybe your dad didn't raise you right. I don't know I ain't dr Phil. But I can be your huckleberry
Let me guess, you are one of those election fraud deniers and think all elections are free of any fraud🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Doc
 
Killing a hospital.....LOL.....see my tears?

Healthcare in this country is a fucking joke! Id say we are approaching a point, where you might be better off putting some Tussin on it!

I think the last specialist I saw was scheduled out 4 months.
Oh I have no dog in this fight anymore and have no cares about it, however once these systems start failing enmasse, then of course we WILL have socialized healthcare. 4 months will look like a blink of an eye, and that will be for a runny nose.......

Doc
 
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Glad you can count now, and still nothing to contribute to this forum.....

Doc
Oh I'm sorry are you the overlord who approves if someone's post is valid. Sorry boss I only have 18 posts. I actually wake up a live. I mean what kinda looser spends his day posting on a forum. I mean 5000+posts sorry you hate your family so much....18
 
Oh I have no dog in this fight anymore and have no cares about it, however once these systems start failing enmasse, then of course we WILL have socialized healthcare. 4 months will look like a blink of an eye, and that will be for a runny nose.......

Doc
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Oh I'm sorry are you the overlord who approves if someone's post is valid. Sorry boss I only have 18 posts. I actually wake up a live. I mean what kinda looser spends his day posting on a forum. I mean 5000+posts sorry you hate your family so much....18
Damn, I don't know what you're gonna do when you reach 20........

No more fingers and toes to count.....

Doc
 
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Heads up: you are already paying for it as your "private insurance" is charged ridiculous amounts to make up for this BS, and they STILL are running in the red.

When I was in the hospital: It was all old people and illegals. Medicare doesn't pay dick, and illegals don't pay period.
 
Heads up: you are already paying for it as your "private insurance" is charged ridiculous amounts to make up for this BS, and they STILL are running in the red.

When I was in the hospital: It was all old people and illegals. Medicare doesn't pay dick, and illegals don't pay period.
Do we really what to have a MiC (medical industrial complex) conversation?
 
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13 posts now tard. I can keep this up all night. Stolen elections. Lol. Too bad blotch. You should work this hard convincing your fellow Coloradans that socialism and sanctuary cities are bad and you won't have to come on a firearms forum to cry about it. You sound like the jackals who was crying about reloading prices and others buying too much. Maybe your dad didn't raise you right. I don't know I ain't dr Phil. But I can be your huckleberry
It's Huckle Bearer, what are you 12 years old?
FFS
 
. I don't know I ain't dr Phil. But I can be your huckleberry
Yeah but Val Kilmer is still more handsome than you.

Which may not be saying a lot.

I could not resist a bit of roast.

"I had the right to remain silent. I did not have the ability."
 
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Killing a hospital.....LOL.....see my tears?

Healthcare in this country is a fucking joke! Id say we are approaching a point, where you might be better off putting some Tussin on it!

I think the last specialist I saw was scheduled out 4 months.

Then don't be surprised when they call you and tell you you're doctor is no longer there or has taken a vacation so you have to reschedule it for a later date. My wife has gone through 3 or 4 rheumatologist in the past year due to their turnover rate locally.
 
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"Some audience members have misinterpreted the meaning of this line. Some of them heard “huckleberry” as “huckle bearer.” Since “huckle” was a term used for the handles on caskets in the 1800s, some viewers have misunderstood the phrase to mean that Doc will be Johnny’s pallbearer after he dies. This misinterpretation was so widespread that Kilmer corrected it in his own autobiography. Kilmer wrote, “I do not say, ‘I’m your huckle bearer.’ I say, ‘I’m your huckleberry,’ connotating, ‘I’m your man. You’ve met your match.’” It’s also possible to misinterpret the line as a reference to Tom Sawyer’s trusty sidekick, Huckleberry Finn."
 
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As opposed to take for granite, which is a booby trap for low senses of humor.

I used to wonder why they called me asshole. Now, I know why.
:geek:
 
Read again above, along with @abn31c post on Mr Huckleberry, and you’ll get the joke.
 
Yeah, ok guy. I'm sure the people in GA, PA AZ also had choices during the elections also.....

I'm a staunch conservative......

Join date, 2014
Today's date 2024....
Total posts, 12.....

Go away glow

Doc
GA = corrupt election with Dominion. Every day more facts coming out. Sad that Georgia Republican leaders sold their souls to Dominion and others.
 
Yep, the system here in CO is already swarmed to overkill. Wait times between 6-8hrs in EDs. People come into the ED for runny noses. The primary care doc are leaving the state or are retiring and no replacement of lost services, so now they all go to the ED for non ED things.

They are building so much here in Colorado Springs and Fountain, the infrastructure isn't there to support it.

They just built 400 housing units behind the ED I used to work at and just waiting to hear the stories once people start moving in there.

This was a stand alone 7 bed ED, meant for small emergencies. I started there in OCT of 22 and we would see between 35-40 patients in a 12hr shift. Now they are averaging between 60-70 in a 12hr shift. That much influx in a year.

Now less than two miles from the ED, they are midway through building 1800 single family homes. What do you think will happen at that point.

No plans to build anymore medical facilities by any of the hospital systems in that area either.

This is all planned to overload the system, the .gov will step in to "fix" the same problem they created.

I quit because of this BS. I also couldn't play pretend anymore.

Doc
How did Doc manage to get banned?
 
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