No, I don’t think “slavery” is ok even in its mildest form (taxation by force). However, milder forms of slavery don’t turn the human being (“thing in her belly”) into worthless property to be disposed of as anyone sees fit. I guess worthless isn’t correct either since murdering a baby is essentially saying he/she has a negative value to you.
In order to murder a human being and be able to live with yourself you have to dehumanize him/her. That’s why you call a baby human being a thing. QED.
As far a pigeon holing
@Bender, any point at which you place personhood other than when that life is probably a human being absolves you of nothing. It could be five minutes into that person’s life, one year old, or 75 years old. It’s absolutely as arbitrary as deciding that it’s ok to enslave people and take away their rights and personhood because of the way they look. While compromise may make you feel better about what you support, facts are facts, and unless you can disprove the science it’s absolutely clear and cut and dry. It’s a gleaming, bright line that impossible for a rational person to ignore. Ignoring that gleaming, bright line and arbitrairily placing personhood at whatever random point excuses murder is the crux of the whole issue.
The intent of the mother is irrelevant. It’s a unique human being. Whether your mother loved you or hated you and wanted to kill you is entirely irrelevant.
I myself do this as well. I’m actually a master at it, but it’s not a misunderstanding of reality, or a conceit to kill my innocent son or daughter so I don’t have to take responsibility for where my dick has been. Since communists deny personhood to every comrade in their body politic I return the favor and do not consider them human beings at all. People living under communism unwillingly are slaves for sure, but the enslavers deserve nothing but death. I pretty much call anyone trying to kill me a goblin to dehumanize them so it’s easier for me to kill them and still sleep soundly. So I’m not immune to this, but I would never just dehumanize a random person, and I certainly wouldn’t do it to a child, a baby, or especially someone so innocent they hadn’t even taken their first breath…
Whatever your reasons for supporting this most foul practice, you should stop it. Not because you believe in God or have faith in anything at all, but because devaluing human beings has the worst possible ramifications for all of us.
My convictions apply to me and no one else. Only I am accountable for my life and I am accountable for no one else's.
I am not trying to "reconcile a fleshly and spiritual world view". I am stating plainly they are two different things. The pompous air bags trying to convince everyone that their personal view of god given morality is the law everyone should follow are the ones trying to force consistency between the two.
Not even the founding fathers were this conceited.
No libertarian would ever make an argument that they have the right to kill another human being unless it was in self-defense. The only way this would make any logical sense is from the point of view of a libertarian is if there was only one human being involved, but the fact that you are murdering another human being (whose murderers took part in creating) makes the arguments for life even more compelling.
All religions are not, from a Socratic point of view, of equal merit. If a Democrat says they are pro-second amendment and believe you should be able to possess any weapons you want, are you going to start arguing the opposing view simply because they consider themselves in the opposing party? Or, is it all the fruit of the poisoned tree?
Yea, we get it. You are a fully rational man who rejects all superstition and who is completely rooted in this world, and this reality. You reject anything that you can't measure or prove. You only see hypocrisy in Christianity because we all fail to follow The Law, are all sinners who fall short of the glory of God, and we don't live a Christ like life. "I" am not asking you to oppose abortion because of something I believe. I have expressly not made religious based arguments, just as the Founding Fathers did not make arguments based on their religious beliefs. The fact is they're unnecessary, and ineffective on people who don't believe. I am asking you to oppose abortion because of scientific fact, and what is self-evident. We know when life becomes a human being. We can test it, and confirm it, just as we can prove that any slave is a human being.
If you actually ARE a libertarian, actually believe that all human beings have inherent rights, and you actually care about right and wrong, then there is no other conclusion that abortion is the murder of the only 100% innocent human beings on our planet. Denying any human being legal personhood and rights unattached to any facts ought to absolutely rankle your libertarian sentiments. Only by pretending this murder only affects the murderer can it be justified. Why do you think the left talks about this murder as a healthcare issue. They are somehow able to ignore salient facts to come to an illogical conclusion (it's what makes them leftists). This is NOT any sort of rational, libertarian argument. In fact, those who place liberty on the top of their political pecking order would naturally try to protect the rights of the most vulnerable and those unable to speak for themselves first.
As I said, it shouldn't be a negotiation. There IS a bright line that our knowledge and understanding affords us. Faith is not necessary.
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