Well the joos named their intelligence agency after him so he has the street cred.
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Let's toss a video of what modern, relevant training on grip looks like. Notice the lack of extreme focus on shit that doesn't matter like weird "wedge" grip and where your thumbs lie on the pistol (hint the thumbs are complete irrelevant).
Also notice how this video ties it all together
None of the Wilson fudds know who this guy is.
Also notice how this video ties it all together
None of the Wilson fudds know who this guy is.
Maybe. I'd like to see one.
No....not really. Handgun technique has evolved dramatically in the last 10 - 15 years and quite a few boomer trainers have failed to keep up.the other stuff is just an opinion. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink
If you were training a newbie, or wanted to unlearn bad pistol marksmanship, where would you start ? Any good books on the mechanics or it’s all videos and IRL training ?
Good concise video 308 on grip and recoil mgmt.
Just like in everything.... there are innovators, early adopters, and late followers. The late followers (fudds) usually wait until they have nobody in their camp anymore before finally adapting or taking their ball and leaving.
In the early 90's, a good ground game wasn't considered as necessary in being a well rounded MMA fighter (back then we were called cage fighters in No Holds Barred).
Working on my grip has definitely up'd my game.
Just like in everything.... there are innovators, early adopters, and late followers. The late followers (fudds) usually wait until they have nobody in their camp anymore before finally adapting or taking their ball and leaving.
In the early 90's, a good ground game wasn't considered as necessary in being a well rounded MMA fighter (back then we were called cage fighters in No Holds Barred).
Working on my grip has definitely up'd my game.
There's good books
Practical Pistol Reloaded Paperback Book by Ben Stoeger
Ben Stoeger Pro Shop has a large selection of USPSA, IDPA, IPSC, and 3-Gun Gear, Guns and Parts to help you train and shoot better.
benstoegerproshop.com 
Practical Shooting Training by Ben Stoeger & Joel Park
Practical Shooting Training by Ben Stoeger & Joel Park
benstoegerproshop.com 
Never heard of such a thing. I'll continue dropping my slides.
There's good books
Practical Pistol Reloaded Paperback Book by Ben Stoeger
Ben Stoeger Pro Shop has a large selection of USPSA, IDPA, IPSC, and 3-Gun Gear, Guns and Parts to help you train and shoot better.
Practical Shooting Training by Ben Stoeger & Joel Park
Practical Shooting Training by Ben Stoeger & Joel Park
I love how we've come from everyone wanting to be multi-cam'd up and learn from Delta SEAL door-gunners and shit on "Gamerfags". Now the new jam is for everyone to shit on former/boomer/timmy and and embrace what they think is high-level gamer performance.
The irony is, one could not exist without another.
And ultimately, 99% of folks suck at both...
False
Practical pistol competition absolutely does not depend on, nor is it influenced by, all the tactical larping faggotry that's been going on for the last 15 years or so.
Guess who the tier one units request when it's time to push their shooting to the next level? People like JJ Racazza, Ben Stoeger, Matt Pranka, Max Michel, etc...
But this thread isn't about that. It's about old boomer trainers desperately trying to remain relevant, at least when it comes to cutting edge shooting techniques.
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I'll give him credit he posted vid of him at a level 1 in Alabama last year and he was legit good.Don’t forget Lucas Botkin
I have no doubt that he'd make GM if he put his head down.
Yeah he is good. He gets shitted on a lot, but you can’t deny his shooting ability.
I don't really see the need to be a horses ass to guy like hackathon, etc.
Early UFC champs would never compete with even the lowest ranked guys of today.
Look at golfers, NBA, every single sport.
Things just evolve. At some point it's okay to be an old dog and stop learning new tricks.
Some of y'all making fun of cooper, etc.
Sad.
I guess your parents never taught you to respect your elders.
I'm not training with the Wilson combat crew anytime soon but I'll show some respect.
Early UFC champs would never compete with even the lowest ranked guys of today.
Look at golfers, NBA, every single sport.
Things just evolve. At some point it's okay to be an old dog and stop learning new tricks.
Some of y'all making fun of cooper, etc.
Sad.
I guess your parents never taught you to respect your elders.
I'm not training with the Wilson combat crew anytime soon but I'll show some respect.
To maintain relevance, it seems that abandonment of practicality is generally the end of growth for a competitive discipline.
But point taken…
Just a reminder, you probably earned them more views which is funny to me.
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If you stop learning you should stop teaching. The problem isn’t stagnation, it’s perpetuating poor information from a position of supposed authority.
USPSA is more popular now than it has ever been. I think you're confused about what the purpose of practical shooting sports is.
As @HaydenLane said well, if you're going to stagnate you will become irrelevant.
Respect and reverence are not the same thing.
A few observations from this thread, then I'll spend the day watching the videos on it.
1. Ayoob was relevant when I was in 6th grade, late 70's, and hasn't said anything new since then but shooters still use his 70's advice as gospel.
2. Wilson Combat is proud of their 1911's, but his advice makes their product sound weak.
3. I have opinions on hammers falling on Bull's Eye guns. I also think that newer builds have better sear engagement and a little different feel.
4. Any practical pistol group has become a game and lost most aspects of practical. Yes, I'll go play games every couple of months.
1. Ayoob was relevant when I was in 6th grade, late 70's, and hasn't said anything new since then but shooters still use his 70's advice as gospel.
2. Wilson Combat is proud of their 1911's, but his advice makes their product sound weak.
3. I have opinions on hammers falling on Bull's Eye guns. I also think that newer builds have better sear engagement and a little different feel.
4. Any practical pistol group has become a game and lost most aspects of practical. Yes, I'll go play games every couple of months.
It's very interesting to see a crop tactitards dressed up in grunt style t shirts, multicam war belts with all sorts of stupid shit like dump pouches, retention holsters, and knives, and pistols with magwells, dildo looking flashlights, giant sights and a red dot come to a practical pistol match and get their ass handed to them. We had a bunch like that this past Sunday.
Evidently standing still in one spot shooting the same 3 or 4 drills over and over doesn't work as well as they think.
Practical pistol competition will take your marksmanship skill, gun manipulations, and ability to move, shoot, and shoot on the move to a level that very few other efforts will. Those are the same skills that win gunfights when coupled with sound tactics.
If that wasn't true why are so many LE and so many elite mil units adopting the training methodology of practical pistol competition?
IMHO "those people" (tactitards dressed up in grunt style t shirts, multicam war belts with all sorts of stupid shit like dump pouches, retention holsters, and knives, and pistols with magwells, dildo looking flashlights, giant sights and a red dot) Exist in every game....EVERY ONE.
For some reason I don't have an issue with you showing up in your renactor WWII garb if you are shooting a 98k and a P38, or Garand and 1911, or.......... But the clowns that show up looking like you describe....just fools.
There are also fools that show up with a vest full of patches, fancy gun company names all over it, their last name across their shoulders. Last one I came across was at a small bore match, and I dusted him with a Marlin 25n and a 40 year old tasco scope. 40 years ago Tasco made good scopes but that clown does not know that. He would come over and look at the rifle in the rack, watch me take ammo out of a bulk box, I am not telling it was not Remington golden bullet, and just let his little world fall around him. That marlin is really a good rifle let down by a bad trigger. That was the first rifle I ever took a file to. I figured well how much worse can I make it. Still passes the "drop" test.
The part that fascinates me is those who embrace being hard core in a controlled environment (firearms competitions) but would never put themselves into an uncontrolled environment to test themselves (military or law enforcement).
These days I compete mostly to commune, even temporarily, with the man I once was, who existed in an uncontrolled environment.
-Stan
These days I compete mostly to commune, even temporarily, with the man I once was, who existed in an uncontrolled environment.
-Stan
I'm already a tax slave. Why would I up my servitude to the next level by volunteering to fight pointless wars and trample on citizens rights for the slave masters in the name of "testing myself"?
Those guys are in every gun game. They don't bother me, everyone can enjoy competition regardless of their motivations. And you rarely see them come back anyway.
Dropping the slide on an empty chamber isn't good for any gun, especially a 1911 with an extractor that is on the long side. It's also hard on an optic if you are running an RDS.
MA has done a lot of controversial things over the years. I remember an article he wrote years ago, where he donned a bright orange bullet proof vest, and proceeded to clear his house because there was a bump in the night. He received a lot of flack for that one.
MA has done a lot of controversial things over the years. I remember an article he wrote years ago, where he donned a bright orange bullet proof vest, and proceeded to clear his house because there was a bump in the night. He received a lot of flack for that one.
I only make fun of them because their skills almost never match the image
I'd like to see a target from that
You may be right about 1911s, I know nothing about them because I don't care about them. The rest I do know about and you're wrong.
They don't bother me, other than their sometimes atrociously unsafe gun handling. Worse are the ROs who don't DQ them either because they don't know how to do their jobs or because "it's the new guy" or "it's just a club match" bullshit.
Mostly they amuse me
It was small bore silhouette, so just knocking over chickens pigs turkey and ram. It is a real fun game to play. You only need 100 yards to do it, and the steel does not need to be that hard to stand up to 22 rimfire.
I would love to do the high power game, but no place around here does that.
It was designed over 100 years ago for a specific job, and it was, and still is good at that job. If you have not "mucked" with it then the things just work.
Maybe not, but you asked the question that prompted it. Of all my friends and family that are former mil or current leo, exactly zero of them would describe the job as a test of firearms skill.
Just re read it, you are correct, it was more of a statement than a question. My brain apparently decided there was a question mark in there.
My father sent him a Colt Combat Commander when Wilson was still working out of the back of the family Jewlry store in the late '70s. It's a beautiful pistol with Ivory grips, but a fugly looking, extended, solid trigger that has a roll pin in it. I've never looked into what that's about, but I've stopped myself from replacing it, because it's one of his earliest jobs.
While I agree with your statement about combining multiple skills it also proves my point. Practical matches have moved well past practical into tactical. Unless you view practical as needing five 15 plus round magazines to engage multiple targets at 4 stations while alternating shots from one side of a stacked blue barrel to the other. If that's your neighborhood you should reconsider your address.
Practical has moved beyond carry guns and a spare mag to race guns and room clearing. The funny part is that 30 years ago practical shooting moved to using LEO drills now most Military and LEO teams don't even use duty weapons to compete. Like I said, I'll play games every so often (more 3 gun or seperate stages) but I don't need to practice SSDF and VBSS anymore. Those days ended 19 years ago.
PS: Ship's Self Defense Force and Visit Board Search and Seizure.
You're making the common mistake of assuming that a skills test needs to replicate real life.
I've never been to a USPSA match where room clearing was even a remote similarity to any shooting problem presented to me. Most people don't use duty weapons to compete because it's not duty. Shooters with poor fundamentals struggle to shoot a heavy match pistol well and even more to shoot a lighter duty or carry pistol. Skilled shooters have zero problems transferring the skills learned with one to the other.
Case in point a dude from Alabama named Brantely Merriam
Here he is shooting a Shadow 2
Here he is shooting what is, by his own admission, a stock G17 Gen 5
TBH I don't think you've actually been to a USPSA/IPSC match ever in your life.
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I want to see a pistol match that has some hand to hand ambush combat thrown in. Like Kato and Inspector Clouseau…
Make 1 station a 90 sec pistol retention drill. Shooter must retain the “pistol” in the holster while an “attacker” attempts to take it. Use Glock blue training guns and kydex friction fit holster. That’d go over like a brick, but I kinda want to see it…
For some reason this reminds me of MA
