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So what did I just buy? Scope mount edition

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  • Apr 6, 2017
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    Figured this is the right place to ask. I *think* this is an ELR mount, likely 30mm with 1” spacers. Ring tops look like smith enterprises/leupold ultra/badger.

    Really just curious if anyone can identify it and tell me who made it. I enjoy moderately obscure things and this fits the bill.

    Still in the mail but here are the seller’s pictures:
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    Markings? Brand name?

    Description from seller?

    Looks like it could have a “dial a down” but the big knob has the look of “tacticool” stuff. Most of the adjustable bases are spendy and solid. This looks like it just cams the base up on scallops running around the dial. I see no way to lock it?

    Or could it be something like a Leatherood ART concept for older scopes? Not n ELR base so much as a way to dial a fixed scope! I don’t think so but ???

    If new production, I’ll be interested to know how stable it is and how well it locks and is “registered” in terms of its dial. ELR requires some pretty solid mounting because it requires heavy cartridges. Those bases are expensive and rugged. This doesn’t look like the “name”’unitsmout there. The fact that it cams on one side also is concerning as it might tilt the scope at higher elevations if it is simply bending a spring from one side.

    Or maybe it’s for .22 ELR which is a coming thing. And would allow lighter scopes and have plenty of rigidity. Or for new and powerful hunting airguns or even airsoft (lots of drop there!)

    Be interested in your review when it comes in. Whether it is solid machining or Chinesium novelty. It’s definitely interesting!

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    Similar concept.


    But note how much more rugged it is, central adjustment and lock.

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    Shot in the dark - not vintage because it's using torx screws and ADM like side screws?

    True, but some of that torx stuff goes back a ways.

    But the side bolt thing is definitely a 2000’s thing.

    I suspect you are right that it is modern. Big wheels are usually associated with some of the “less engineered” products that pop up.

    So will be interested in the OP’s review. Hopefully it was cheap as a fun gamble! Who knows? I have not found one with a bit of Google-fu but have not done a search on image yet from my phone…

    Sirhr
     
    True, but some of that torx stuff goes back a ways.

    But the side bolt thing is definitely a 2000’s thing.

    I suspect you are right that it is modern. Big wheels are usually associated with some of the “less engineered” products that pop up.

    So will be interested in the OP’s review. Hopefully it was cheap as a fun gamble! Who knows? I have not found one with a bit of Google-fu but have not done a search on image yet from my phone…

    Sirhr
    Google image search came back as aluminum alloy. Tineye came back with zero results. OP might want to cruise over to the CMP forums.
     
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    Seller description was less than helpful: “
    Scope Barrel mount with rings and adjustment as seen in the pictures
    no brand or maker.”

    I’ll definitely post more pictures and what I can make of it once I have it in hand.

    Srihr, I think the cam comment is really interesting, I also think there’s a leaf style spring applying pressure to hold at the Cannes position, so not necessarily a heavy caliber setup.
     
    The ring caps and the reducing inserts look like Badger to me.
     
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    I’m gonna guess home made proof of concept prototype deal, by someone who is pretty solid on a machine, I’m going with one off
     
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    No offense taken! I thought about that, and could be a possibility. I tend not to see 1-offs from Chinese manufacturers, but could absolutely be a possibility.
    That is exactly what I was thinking as well.
     
    I googled "crossbow adjustable scope mount" and saw similar mounts, but not the exact one seen here. As RTH1800 noted, the numbers on the knob are likely for yards. I read that most crossbows are effective out to about 60 yards, but some high-end ones perhaps out to 100 yards.
     
    Generally with bow sights, the spaces between the yardage gets wider with distance. Of course it may be an earlier one where that escaped the designer/manufacturer, unless there's a cam built in to accomplish the same.
     
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    I think the odds are that it's not an ELR mount....

    But let's let the OP get the mount in. I think he took a swing at a spitball and may have a strike or an out-of-the-park homer.

    Let's see what shows up at his door! I have my thoughts. But gonna keep them to myself. Hey, noting ventured, nothing gained. It's cool whatever it turns out to be.

    Remember... one of the greatest moments in sniper history was when Hardy Kruger used a crossbow to kill all those damn Simba Sentries in the towers when Richard Burton, Roger Moore and Dumbeldore ruled sub-Saharan Africa for a brief moment in the '70's. (BTW, Hardy Kruger had the best watch band in movie history!) If it's a crossbow mount, that's a great excuse to buy a wicked cool crossbow so you can be ready to fuck up some African Sentries. Or... whatever needs quiet... addressing. You know, those kinds of folks who need fucking up really quietly. See the movie.

    Cheers,

    Sirhr
     
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    Actually my first thought when I saw it was "OEG mount for a gas gun / grenade launcher", but I I don't see how it could have enough elevation.

    (and you usually don't shoot tear gas at 5 yards) :D
     
    The knurled knob could be a locking/dial tensioner. Inside the cam there are two washers on the shaft. Sort of like the drag on a casting reel.
     
    Well if nothing it’s a heavy chunk of steel. 2lbs, 3.4 oz to be exact.

    So, first observation: it’s stout. It is graduated 0-100 MOA elevation. The elevation dial has stepped insets machined to match each number. I haven’t done the trig to truly calculate out the steps, but they appear uniform. Someone mentioned that it was likely not a crossbow or bow mount because they didn’t increase in spacing as the wheel turned; this is machined so the numbers could stay the same distance apart but the amount of material removed from the cam/wheel interface could change. All that said, it’s 2+ lbs, I doubt anyone wanted to lug it around on a bow or crossbow.

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    A good view of the graduated face the roller sits on from the side, showing the difference in inset from “0” to “100”. Cam is at the bottom.

    The front ring is windage adjustable as needed though I can’t see a clear way the back ring could swivel to account for it. Either way, it can drift.
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    The two bolts seen above hold a spring in place, the spring pushes up against the bottom of the mount forcing it up as elevation is dialed in. It also sits in a channel on the underside of the elevated portion of the mount, and with 2 screws would prevent side to side drift. But it’s not needed, since the rear scope ring sits on an inset pillar that holds the mount from any side to side movement.
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    The underside has a recoils lug, and you can see the two screws for the rings (the front for side to side adjustment as needed, the back simply to hold the pillar as it moves up/down.
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    The bar clamp has springs in it to push the clamp off the rail interestingly enough. I don’t know it was needed but certainly makes it seem well thought out. It also explains the bolt heads; they keep the nuts captive since the clamp bar is under spring pressure.
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    All around, feels well built. I don’t see any manufacturers marks anywhere, and agree it’s not badger (though the ring profile is similar. I’d honestly guess smith enterprises or the like, but the rings don’t have the usual grooves inside that early smith rings tend to.

    All in all sturdy and well built. Pictured with some other early rings.
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    The bar clamp has springs in it to push the clamp off the rail interestingly enough. I don’t know it was needed but certainly makes it seem well thought out. It also explains the bolt heads; they keep the nuts captive since the clamp bar is under spring tension.
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    All around, feels well built. I do t see any makers marks anywhere, and agree it’s not badger (though the ring profile is similar. I’d honestly guess smith enterprises or the like, but the rings don’t have the usual grooves inside that early smith rings tend to.

    All in all sturdy and well built. Pictured with some other early rings.
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    Perhaps some naval ship machine shop one off?
     
    Might have missed it but what diameter are the rings and does it fit a standard rail?
     
    This sounds like the same mount, Leatherwood/Hi-Lux Tactical 3D Mount. SWFA used to sell:

     
    it looks very close to an Era-Tac Adjustable Incline Mount


    I have two of them, one in MOA and one in MRAD. I used the 0-70MOA version to allow me to get my 100yd zero and then crank up 70 MOA plus 20 MOA on the scope to consistently hit steel at one-mile with my 6.5 creedmoor.

    an interesting point here is that my Era-Tac mounts do not have any markings to identify the manufacturer or model number... just like this one.