I bet he won't take a single 9 to the chest
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I bet he won't take a single 9 to the chest
As per usual, dude in his garage knows more than the guys with the actual test equipment.
Also, LOL at starting the conversation with handguns on barriers........
Also, LOL at starting the conversation with handguns on barriers........
Admittedly I did not watch the video.
I will posit that X cartridge using some neato science to achieve
the effect of Y cartridge assumes that you can actually find X cartridge in stock.
Ammo shortages during COVID had me think about comparing the most available ammunition in X cartridge to the most available ammunition in Y cartridge.
-Stan
I will posit that X cartridge using some neato science to achieve
the effect of Y cartridge assumes that you can actually find X cartridge in stock.
Ammo shortages during COVID had me think about comparing the most available ammunition in X cartridge to the most available ammunition in Y cartridge.
-Stan
So, "Dick" says that 9mm is a "good round," but that it does not match the performance of .45acp. He does say that 9mm will penetrate deeper, but if you compare 9mm to .45acp of "similar technology," then .45acp will make bigger holes, likely require less rounds shot to stop a threat and will go through barriers such as Windshields better than 9mm.
Dick is a dick that doesn't know dick and offers zero evidence to back up his fuddness.
I bet he won't volunteer to take a 9 to the chest
Well Dick... They tried to issue the 10mm Auto, but a bunch of limp-wristed faggots bitched about the recoil, so they had to invent the .40 S&W.
Then they started issuing the .357 Sig, and even more limp-wristed faggots bitched about recoil for qualifying accuracy, so they started standardizing 9mm Luger (9x19).
If you want a cartridge that's better than both of them, the .357 Sig, 10mm Auto, and .400 Corbon are all right there waiting... And I'm a big .45 Auto fan, but to not understand the ballistics and limitations of these cartridges, and then make a Fudd video about it, is just idiocracy.
Then they started issuing the .357 Sig, and even more limp-wristed faggots bitched about recoil for qualifying accuracy, so they started standardizing 9mm Luger (9x19).
If you want a cartridge that's better than both of them, the .357 Sig, 10mm Auto, and .400 Corbon are all right there waiting... And I'm a big .45 Auto fan, but to not understand the ballistics and limitations of these cartridges, and then make a Fudd video about it, is just idiocracy.
All handgun cartridges suck at stopping people. ALL of them.
Learn how to hit the vitals rapidly.
Mo ammo is mo bettah.
He also completely took the FBI testing out of context. They didn't claim the 9mm surpasses all of the .40 and .45 projectiles. Just that select 9mm bullets perform better than most .40 and .45. Which obviously doesn't include all when you say most.
They then used other things such as lower recoil makes for more rounds successfully on target and such.....to decide that 9mm provides an overall better round for duty.
Basically it's a combination of things that they feel makes the 9mm better.....not just terminal ballistics.
They then used other things such as lower recoil makes for more rounds successfully on target and such.....to decide that 9mm provides an overall better round for duty.
Basically it's a combination of things that they feel makes the 9mm better.....not just terminal ballistics.
This. You're always compromising with a handgun. It's used as a duty weapon for its size and such.
Hence why you never choose your handgun over your rifle except for special circumstances (if you have a rifle that is).
seems like they have problems hitting the target as it is.
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I can tell most of you did not watch the video. While I do not agree with Dick, he did cover .40, .357 Sig and most of the topics mentioned in replies. He uses the phrase "comparable technology" as a crutch to his argument that 9mm does not provide the same performance as .45acp when compared "apples to apples" in technology.
The guy in the video makes YT content that normally get 500 to 1500 views. I'm not going to hammer on him for the same topic that has been debated since the beginning of the internet. He isn't Ayoob.
I get more views than that with only 380 subs... If he has almost 12K subs, and only averages those view numbers, then he's either paying for subs, or his content isn't worth watching or he's choosing some very unpopular topics to discuss...
Watched the video and his entire premise is flawed. His comparable technology is moot because the FBI testing already says that. There are projectiles in .40 and .45 that perform better than 9mm.
He decided to focus on one point that he took out of context, and then used a crutch to make it sound legit.
FBI testing did not focus solely on terminal ballistics.
9mm might expand, but .45 ain't gonna shrink 
His introduction at the 30sec mark literally says "fbi claims new technology make it as good as a .45."
That statement alone is completely out of context if you don't break down every consideration such as recoil, ammo cost, long term maintenance, bullet performance......etc etc.
You can't just compare say the best duty projectiles of .45 and 9mm (comparable technology caveat) to invalidate the FBI testing when that's not the totality of the testing.
And you can never say "all things equal" when comparing a 9mm and .45.....as the recoil, capacity, ergonomics will always be different.
That statement alone is completely out of context if you don't break down every consideration such as recoil, ammo cost, long term maintenance, bullet performance......etc etc.
You can't just compare say the best duty projectiles of .45 and 9mm (comparable technology caveat) to invalidate the FBI testing when that's not the totality of the testing.
And you can never say "all things equal" when comparing a 9mm and .45.....as the recoil, capacity, ergonomics will always be different.
I get more views than that with only 380 subs... If he has almost 12K subs, and only averages those view numbers, then he's either paying for subs, or his content isn't worth watching or he's choosing some very unpopular topics to discuss...
That's saying a lot too, your videos are visual valium.
Yeah, well, I didn't ask your fucking opinion, and I'm not open to suggestions. Lots of people appreciate the no-BS videos without a bunch of talking and shilling, that aren't 20 minutes of product deep-throating, or retarded behavior and clickbait titles just to get more clicks and views.
What's your utube channel
Why would I waste my time watching an idiot ramble on?
99% of people who own handguns can't shoot worth a shit. So they engage in stupid arguments like caliber wars and 1911 > Glock.
That's a dumb way to be successful.
You can keep everything the same, but do better thumbnails and titles. You have about 1 second to grab someone's attention, that's where you'll grow the channel.
I'm not trying to be a professional YouTuber. I have a job that pays me pretty damn well. I just record short video clips of exactly what I do when I'm not recording. I started making the type of videos that weren't available back when I was first getting into NFA, and nobody made honest sound recording videos of different suppressors on different cartridges and stuff. Everyone always clipped the audio so it sounded stupid-quiet, and like Hollywood shit. Which, as we all know isn't realistic. I only make them so maybe it helps someone make an informed decision on a can purchase, so they have some kind of idea what they're getting.
How can I do better on the titles? They literally tell you exactly what you will see in the video. I hate that clickbait title bullshit just to draw people in. I have thought for a long time I need to do better thumbnails, so I do appreciate that constructive criticism. We're on the same page about that one. I just need to figure out what to do to make them better.
I thought the FBI study had more to do with the fact 85+% of shots fired miss so they opted for higher capacity and shootability
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That's pretty solid thoughts, BUT what I can tell you is that someone that's on PCP or something else will kill you after you pump his torso full of 9mm. 40 & larger decrease those odds, a shotgun is a clear winner there. Point of fact seen by a mentor in WW2, a German soldier popped around a tree and put 7 - 9mm slugs in a GI's chest point blank, did everything right. The GI raised his M-1 Garand and killed him before he died. A sub gun is gonna hit them faster/harder than a pistol. Theory and experience are sometimes vastly different.
Is the range ready on the right? Is the range ready on the left? Eyes and ears in place. The range is ready. For your first course of fire , WHEN THE TARGETS TURN, you will draw from your holster and fire 6 shots standing, drop to one knee and fire 6 shots kneeling, then recover to standing and wait for the all clear.
Shall I go on…..
Shall I go on…..
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All I gots to say is bitches better watch out for the 25acp hidden in one of my pockets
Please keep the details of the weapon you hide in your prison purse to yourself you degenerate!!!
A Fudd Degenerate at that!
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Weird you know so much about them…..
Read again Fudd. I said purse. No pocket.
Prolly time for your old butt to get an eye exam.
See if that dude who does yer daily prostate check knows anything about eyeballs.
Im blissfully unaware of all the colloquialisms regarding hiding things in one’s rectum.
I’ll bet I could load up some kind of stupid ass .454 Casull rounds that would rival a rifle for on target energy and get energy transfer in a two legged feral hominid. Maybe a 185gr to 200gr .452” hollow point moving along at 2000 fps.
Recoil is a problem, you better hang on because a .454 or other big bore wheel gat is coming after you.
Then there’s the issue of a 6” bbl large frame revolver will not conceal for shit.
You’re also only getting 5 shots with a lot of options.
This is a terrible and ridiculous idea and usage of a hunting handgun.
I should come up with a package deal for this Fuddest of fudd ideas. Make sure to use a single action, put it in a nylon Uncle Mike’s holster with a snap down flap. Offer a choice of photographer vest and cargo pants, or trench coat/duster as a cover garment.
Mark it all up 500%.
The Fudds will be on a waiting list. I’ll make a fortune.
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You’ve got some living to do it seems rookie
A fishing and Grizzly hunting guide, in Alaska, killed a charging Grizzly bear, that was going for his fisherman, with his 9mm, loaded with Buffalo Bore 147 +P. Don't believe he missed any shots.
He also uses an old open sighted Model 70 Win chambered in 30-06 with 220 Nosler Partitions to go into the brush, after giant wounded coastal Grizzly. Been doing it since Vietnam.
He also uses an old open sighted Model 70 Win chambered in 30-06 with 220 Nosler Partitions to go into the brush, after giant wounded coastal Grizzly. Been doing it since Vietnam.
^^^ This.
All handgun rounds suck at killing.
Sensei Clint mentioned something along the lines of "a handgun is something you fight your way to a rifle with". Of course we have to agree that pistols will have to "do" when proximity to a rifle is not in the cards.
About 30 years ago, I thought the 9mm was far inferior to the 45. To a certain extent, it prolly was especially when you consider how bad the bullet tech was then. I decided to keep the 9mm as my sole carry caliber anyway and just worry about being able to put a bunch into a target really F'ing fast.
Fast forward to today and I really do not feel under-gunned with current premium 9.
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Just a reminder to anyone even pretending to ever have the need to shoot at meat with feet.....
The bad guy always gets a vote.
The most unpredictable animal on the planet is a human.
2 weeks ago there was an OIS that started as a domestic/hostage. Bad guy gave both fingers to the Negotiator and was shooting up the entire area with two rifles and a pistol. Bad guy tries to make a break out by himself in a pickup truck.
He takes one .308 round through the DS window*, crashes the truck and exits while shooting and running into dense cover. He takes 3 rounds of 5.56 and is still reaching for a dropped weapon when he takes a second .308 round that shuts him down totally. Total rounds fired was 3 x .308 and 5 x 5.56. Of the 5 hits sustained, 3 were non-survivable yet he was still shooting until the last 5.56 round and still trying to get his gun picked up at the last .308 Round.
Soooo..... he was dying, just not fast enough. This kind of shit is where a dead person can still kill you.
Totally clean toxicology on the bad guy.
He was simply totally committed and when the 1st round didn't kill him, his physiology went into survival mode. Almost all animals will do the same thing if wounded and you have to damned near shoot them to pieces to put them down.
On the other end of the spectrum, people have died after going into shock from being hit in the arm with a 22LR because they thought they were supposed to die when you get shot.
Go figure.
Gonna add this incident to go with the above story to combat the inevitable ".45 stopping power" input and anecdotal stories.
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I have seen some pretty impressive GSW and other penetrating injury and live
And seemingly unimpressive and die fast.
Saw a 9mm once, hit the L forehead near the hairline.
Was mushroomed and just under the scalp on the R forehead.
The chest was through and through and effective. Side to side.
Dude was being served warrants for violent felonies and known to have a gun. Still tried to get his gun up and shoot when he saw a cop with a gun at compressed ready.
I have Gold Dots, old Hydrashock, HST, and Hornady Critical Duty for HP ammo available.
And seemingly unimpressive and die fast.
Saw a 9mm once, hit the L forehead near the hairline.
Was mushroomed and just under the scalp on the R forehead.
The chest was through and through and effective. Side to side.
Dude was being served warrants for violent felonies and known to have a gun. Still tried to get his gun up and shoot when he saw a cop with a gun at compressed ready.
I have Gold Dots, old Hydrashock, HST, and Hornady Critical Duty for HP ammo available.
It takes lots of practice and training to get out of the one shot mindset. You know, shoot, wait to see the consequences.
It took me one incident that nearly caused me to shit my pants to learn to shoot until I need to reload or the thing stops coming at me. Years ago some neighbors had bull get loose and go on a rampage. He was tearing all sorts of shit up and not a fence could survive. He went out on the road and attacked cars and pickups. Charged a few people, I was told. The call went out that they had decided to kill the bull and wanted all people to be aware and scared of this beast. I figured I'd go volunteer. Just so happened that when I went outside with my 1911, he was stomping right by my old truck. Cop cars were following and people were chasing. I ran towards him and shot him once in the neck from over the hood of my truck from about 10 feet. He just turned and came at me but thank goodness for that old Chevy. He jumped up the hood with his front legs and was pissed. I unloaded the magazine (the only one I had) practically touching him in the head as fast as I could pull the trigger. Turned and ran for the door. One of the other neighbors hit him with a 12 gauge slug in the neck and that knocked him down but he was getting back up so another slug. That bull had been shot something like 50 or more times with all sorts of pistol rounds. He still took 2 12 gauge slugs.
Ever since then, I practice mag dumps with the pistol. I'm not saying as fast as I can pull the trigger but as fast as I can get back to the sights.
I'd still rather have a pistol than have to rely on a blade for self defense.
It took me one incident that nearly caused me to shit my pants to learn to shoot until I need to reload or the thing stops coming at me. Years ago some neighbors had bull get loose and go on a rampage. He was tearing all sorts of shit up and not a fence could survive. He went out on the road and attacked cars and pickups. Charged a few people, I was told. The call went out that they had decided to kill the bull and wanted all people to be aware and scared of this beast. I figured I'd go volunteer. Just so happened that when I went outside with my 1911, he was stomping right by my old truck. Cop cars were following and people were chasing. I ran towards him and shot him once in the neck from over the hood of my truck from about 10 feet. He just turned and came at me but thank goodness for that old Chevy. He jumped up the hood with his front legs and was pissed. I unloaded the magazine (the only one I had) practically touching him in the head as fast as I could pull the trigger. Turned and ran for the door. One of the other neighbors hit him with a 12 gauge slug in the neck and that knocked him down but he was getting back up so another slug. That bull had been shot something like 50 or more times with all sorts of pistol rounds. He still took 2 12 gauge slugs.
Ever since then, I practice mag dumps with the pistol. I'm not saying as fast as I can pull the trigger but as fast as I can get back to the sights.
I'd still rather have a pistol than have to rely on a blade for self defense.
In the FBI’s famous 1986 Miami shootout, the first round to hit Platt in the arm, and coming to rest in the thorax somewhere, is the round that killed him. He fought for awhile after that before he expired.
I’ve always been taught to consider a pistol a secondary weapon.
I’ve always been taught to consider a pistol a secondary weapon.
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Pistol stopping power? Bwahahahahaha!!!!! This deer ran at least 150 yards before piling up. Police are lucky they don’t have to apprehend cervids…
That’s the exit wound from a 168 gr smk…
That’s the exit wound from a 168 gr smk…
I know this was covered before but no. None of those are dramatically better than any other handgun cartridge that expands and penetrates.
Outside of a few boutique cartridges and handguns not suitable for duty or self defense in the context of daily life, no pistol cartridge has the ability to do much damage outside of its expanded bullet diameter. So long as it penetrates enough, its muzzle velocity is completely meaningless.
All more recoil does is make a pistol harder to shoot rapidly with sufficient accuracy.
The last I heard the Failed Bureau of Investigation, in 1986 after the disasterous shootout, went to 10mm, because the bank robber was shot in the chest with their "then current" best 9mm ammo. The perpetrator was an ex-army ranger and he lasted 90 seconds, enabling him to kill several agents and wounded just about all of them... he had a rifle in 223 mini 14, I believe.
Then agents couldn't handle the 10 mm well, so next, the FBI went to the 40 S&W.
Agents were still missing the target, alot.
More hits in target were better than missing it completely. So back to the 9mm. I believe they use 147 gr Speer Gold Dot for the desired penetration, and more hits on targets for their agents.
For you girls, ...the 380 ACP gets a bunch more hits on target than 9mm,... hits are better than misses.
There are a lot of clowns in law enforcement, as the video shows.
That's why they send out the swat team if any gun play is expected, the suits don't want to get dirty, let alone shot at or killed, as it's a government career, for most, who never have to draw their duty weapon to deter a threat, in a lifetime of government service.
Then agents couldn't handle the 10 mm well, so next, the FBI went to the 40 S&W.
Agents were still missing the target, alot.
More hits in target were better than missing it completely. So back to the 9mm. I believe they use 147 gr Speer Gold Dot for the desired penetration, and more hits on targets for their agents.
For you girls, ...the 380 ACP gets a bunch more hits on target than 9mm,... hits are better than misses.
There are a lot of clowns in law enforcement, as the video shows.
That's why they send out the swat team if any gun play is expected, the suits don't want to get dirty, let alone shot at or killed, as it's a government career, for most, who never have to draw their duty weapon to deter a threat, in a lifetime of government service.
