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Maggie’s The Retired Guy Thread

Wasn’t sure whether I should post this here or in one of @Hobo Hilton ‘s threads on the various economic crises we’re currently going through.

Seems apropos for here too.

Regardless, it’s gonna be an interesting year for Medicare…


Just another planning data point for you old farts (😆 I’m right behind ya!)
Thanks for the mention. The different threads evolved. However, combined they make up the "matrix". Everything that is going on interest people with different "perspectives". Here you focus on American's nearing retirement. You drew comments from members with different perspectives. I see that as a very good thing. Different perspectives, somewhat, keep me balanced. When someone replies with a different perspective, I encourage them to explain a little farther. I think this is why America is a "house divided". Watching the House of Representatives this week. Very much a house divided. Unfortunately little progress is being made.
 
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@Hobo Hilton what are your thoughts on Ramsey?

I found him a few years ago. I find that many of the things he is a proponent for align with what I have done over the years, with the exception, at times, vehicle purchases. If the spread of interest rates paid on a vehicle loan vs expected investment return is more than 3%, then I have sometimes used the financing route. Even then, I have paid off the loans early with bonuses, etc. Otherwise, I have avoided taking on debt.

Maybe it's just providing a consistent message, so as to not get too complicated. Just avoid debt.
 
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@Hobo Hilton what are your thoughts on Ramsey?

I found him a few years ago. I find that many of the things he is a proponent for align with what I have done over the years, with the exception, at times, vehicle purchases. If the spread of interest rates paid on a vehicle loan vs expected investment return is more than 3%, then I have sometimes used the financing route. Even then, I have paid off the loans early with bonuses, etc. Otherwise, I have avoided taking on debt.

Maybe it's just providing a consistent message, so as to not get too complicated. Just avoid debt.

I’m no expert…. Took me far too long to figure out how simple making money can be if you’re not a dumbass like I was for the first 30 years of my life. Ramsey’s baby steps is a good, maybe even a great place to start if you don’t have a plan, but it’s not complicated. Two steps:

1) Live below your means…doesn’t matter if you make minimum wage or $1M+ per year, don’t spend more than you earn.
2) Invest regularly…pay the future you now. Again, it almost doesn’t matter what investment path(s) you choose; the most important part is to do it consistently, and depending on your age, aggressively.

Just my $0.02
 
@Hobo Hilton what are your thoughts on Ramsey?

I found him a few years ago. I find that many of the things he is a proponent for align with what I have done over the years, with the exception, at times, vehicle purchases. If the spread of interest rates paid on a vehicle loan vs expected investment return is more than 3%, then I have sometimes used the financing route. Even then, I have paid off the loans early with bonuses, etc. Otherwise, I have avoided taking on debt.

Maybe it's just providing a consistent message, so as to not get too complicated. Just avoid debt.
I like Ramsey. I also admire a man or woman who has "will power". Be it money, diet, liquor, child rearing, work ethic, etc.
The American culture, or perhaps the demon's, tempts us to "buy now / pay later".
I have friends, as we speak, going through debt consolidation due to the rising interest rates for "credit".
On 4/23/2010 I had a little chest pain. Emergency open heart surgery on 4/25/2010. On 4/26/2010 (7 am) the contractor I was working for laid me off... Disabled and retired over a span of 3 days. At that point my monthly income dropped to exactly what my weekly income had been.
Today, other than my mortgage on the homestead, I am healthy and debt free. That will explain my attitude to a few follower's.
It took a lot of will power, it took a lot of doing without and it took a lot of believing it was God's plan for me.
I would not trade the past 14 years for all the tea in China. I've shared this with many people who "thought" life was tough but realized they had many blessings.
 
I’m no expert…. Took me far too long to figure out how simple making money can be if you’re not a dumbass like I was for the first 30 years of my life. Ramsey’s baby steps is a good, maybe even a great place to start if you don’t have a plan, but it’s not complicated. Two steps:

1) Live below your means…doesn’t matter if you make minimum wage or $1M+ per year, don’t spend more than you earn.
2) Invest regularly…pay the future you now. Again, it almost doesn’t matter what investment path(s) you choose; the most important part is to do it consistently, and depending on your age, aggressively.

Just my $0.02
Raises went into my retirement fund. I figured if I could live on "x" per week, then put it away for the future. Bonuses paid off debt and bought a few toys along the way, but no extravagant spending, vacation homes/timeshares, etc. Sometimes I think we should have "smelt the roses" a bit more on the journey though.
 
Raises went into my retirement fund. I figured if I could live on "x" per week, then put it away for the future. Bonuses paid off debt and bought a few toys along the way, but no extravagant spending, vacation homes/timeshares, etc. Sometimes I think we should have "smelt the roses" a bit more on the journey though.
That is a good plan. The enemy is inflation. If your retirement plan is beating inflation, that's a good thing. 50 years ago people smelled the roses when they could retire at 55 years old. That has gone away. As I look back, I can probably count (on one hand) the times I stopped and smelled the roses. Should have stopped more often.
 
Has anyone dealt with leg weakness after sciatica? Googled it, but general answers.
Had a severe bout for 20 hours on Monday of this week and now have about 50% leg strength in my left leg. I do have a doctor appt. next week, but curious what others may have experienced for muscle strength recovery? That shit sucks, I wouldn't wish it on anyone (well, almost anyone...;)).
 
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Has anyone dealt with leg weakness after sciatica? Googled it, but general answers.
Had a severe bout for 20 hours on Monday of this week and now have about 50% leg strength in my left leg. I do have a doctor appt. next week, but curious what others may have experienced for muscle strength recovery? That shit sucks, I wouldn't wish it on anyone (well, almost anyone...;)).
If an Xray or MRI don’t show any specific damage, try a chiropractor.

Long ag my back hurt so bad I could barely walk. Primary care doctor gave me a few meds, which didn’t help at all, and sent me for an Xray and MRI. Both were clear. He referred me to a chiropractor. 3 or 4 visits later and I felt worlds better. Another 3 or 4 and I was back to normal. Before that I was not a believer.

I had a neighbor that called his chiropractor when he had a cold or sore throat. I don’t believe they can fix those issues. But for back skeletal or muscular issues, I do think they can help.
 
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I'd retire but couldn't afford healthcare.
One accident away from total poverty.
Medicare Part D helps a lot. It's about $225 per month for each of us, but my wife's car was totaled and she had a 3 hour brain bleed operation. We never received a bill for medical expenses. We paid everything off before retirement, so SS covers us pretty nicely, even with hobbies. We both worked multiple jobs to get our son through college and pay everything off, but it was worth it. I've been retired about 15 years. 77 and still walk on the treadmill every day.
 
Has anyone dealt with leg weakness after sciatica? Googled it, but general answers.
Had a severe bout for 20 hours on Monday of this week and now have about 50% leg strength in my left leg. I do have a doctor appt. next week, but curious what others may have experienced for muscle strength recovery? That shit sucks, I wouldn't wish it on anyone (well, almost anyone...;)).
Last July I had a similar experience and it never got better. By November I could hardly walk; stairs were on all fours. MRI showed a synovial cyst left side L4/L5 pressing on the spinal cord. No wonder I hurt so bad. Surgery Nov 2 to remove cyst and in recovery I could tell the problem was fixed. 6 weeks after surgery I started PT and I was amazed at how atrophied my legs were. I'm now at about 80% of what I was 9 months ago.

Go see a specialist and get help. My Dr thought it was standard sciatica issues and started me on PT, chiropractor, etc... All that did was make it worse.
 
Last July I had a similar experience and it never got better. By November I could hardly walk; stairs were on all fours. MRI showed a synovial cyst left side L4/L5 pressing on the spinal cord. No wonder I hurt so bad. Surgery Nov 2 to remove cyst and in recovery I could tell the problem was fixed. 6 weeks after surgery I started PT and I was amazed at how atrophied my legs were. I'm now at about 80% of what I was 9 months ago.

Go see a specialist and get help. My Dr thought it was standard sciatica issues and started me on PT, chiropractor, etc... All that did was make it worse.
Crap, I hope if you're the ruIe, that I am the exception. That sucks but good to hear you are progressing. I have a doctor visit Monday as a follow up to the ER visit. This is definitely a different issue than I've ever had before. I do see a chiro, and have for many years due to recurring issues. Maybe it's all coming to a head. I'm going to be as aggressive as I can with the doctors as I want this behind me as soon as possible and I've been f'ing around with it for a month already but it just got real bad early this week. In fact, it all started during the squirrel hunt in the first photo in this thread. Bent over to pick up squirrel #3 and *Bam*. Tried to walk it off but that didn't work but did provide a couple more squirrels for the pot :). Thanks for the insight, and best wishes for getting the remaining 20% of your leg strength back.
 
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Crap, I hope if you're the ruIe, that I am the exception. That sucks but good to hear you are progressing. I have a doctor visit Monday as a follow up to the ER visit. This is definitely a different issue than I've ever had before. I do see a chiro, and have for many years due to recurring issues. Maybe it's all coming to a head. I'm going to be as aggressive as I can with the doctors as I want this behind me as soon as possible and I've been f'ing around with it for a month already but it just got real bad early this week. In fact, it all started during the squirrel hunt in the first photo in this thread. Bent over to pick up squirrel #3 and *Bam*. Tried to walk it off but that didn't work but did provide a couple more squirrels for the pot :). Thanks for the insight, and best wishes for getting the remaining 20% of your leg strength back.
Here's hoping all goes well with you. My surgery sucked, but the outcome was good.
 
Congrats on the recent retirees. I turn 54 in April, I've been at my UPS job since 32. I've managed to rathole north of 200k in my 401k, not sure how much I'll need. I think health insurance will be about 500 a month for me and the wife when I retire. Just trying to get debt free now, paying off the house and my last kid graduates this May. Hope I can last until I turn 62, those long days of in and out kick my ass alot more than they used to....
 
I like Ramsey. I also admire a man or woman who has "will power". Be it money, diet, liquor, child rearing, work ethic, etc.
The American culture, or perhaps the demon's, tempts us to "buy now / pay later".
I have friends, as we speak, going through debt consolidation due to the rising interest rates for "credit".
On 4/23/2010 I had a little chest pain. Emergency open heart surgery on 4/25/2010. On 4/26/2010 (7 am) the contractor I was working for laid me off... Disabled and retired over a span of 3 days. At that point my monthly income dropped to exactly what my weekly income had been.
Today, other than my mortgage on the homestead, I am healthy and debt free. That will explain my attitude to a few follower's.
It took a lot of will power, it took a lot of doing without and it took a lot of believing it was God's plan for me.
I would not trade the past 14 years for all the tea in China. I've shared this with many people who "thought" life was tough but realized they had many blessings.
Remaction,
I am aligned with Hobo and I think he raises one of the most important points in financial freedom and that is calculating the cost of risk. With all due respect perhaps I can use the example you provided..... If you get a car loan that is at 2.5% and you are getting 10% average annual rate of return then you will still be making 7.5% on your money. No disagreement there however what rate do you calculate risk at? Hobo shares his open heart surgery, which ended about as well as one could wish for, however, his income dropped by 75% very quickly. Lets say Hobo was making $10k/month, his income went to $2500/month and out of that he had a $650 car payment. He will owe taxes, for at least part of the year, at the $120,000 annual salary, he may have some copay on his medical bills, he is going to owe income taxes on his new $30,000 annual income and so lets say he takes out $500/month of the new $2500/month salary for taxes. That leaves him $2000/month. Then $650 for the car payment so he is at $1350/month. There will be other expenses beyond those listed above that likely need to be covered. so now he is living on $1000/ month rather than the previous $5-6k/month take home. Thats a lot of ouch all at once.

Stuff like this happens all the time and we think it wont likely ever happen to us. But it does and the best way around it is to save up a healthy emergency fund and dont take on any debt.

Dont mean to be preachy here. I lost a little over a million in the early 2000's because I was absolutely sure I knew all the risks. But I didnt and it sort of hurt to see that money go away. If I had been more careful(risk aware) back then, and had not lost that money, I would have $4,000,000 now rather than the zero amount it went to. Just hoping my mistakes dont become yours.
 
Remaction,
I am aligned with Hobo and I think he raises one of the most important points in financial freedom and that is calculating the cost of risk. With all due respect perhaps I can use the example you provided..... If you get a car loan that is at 2.5% and you are getting 10% average annual rate of return then you will still be making 7.5% on your money. No disagreement there however what rate do you calculate risk at? Hobo shares his open heart surgery, which ended about as well as one could wish for, however, his income dropped by 75% very quickly. Lets say Hobo was making $10k/month, his income went to $2500/month and out of that he had a $650 car payment. He will owe taxes, for at least part of the year, at the $120,000 annual salary, he may have some copay on his medical bills, he is going to owe income taxes on his new $30,000 annual income and so lets say he takes out $500/month of the new $2500/month salary for taxes. That leaves him $2000/month. Then $650 for the car payment so he is at $1350/month. There will be other expenses beyond those listed above that likely need to be covered. so now he is living on $1000/ month rather than the previous $5-6k/month take home. Thats a lot of ouch all at once.

Stuff like this happens all the time and we think it wont likely ever happen to us. But it does and the best way around it is to save up a healthy emergency fund and dont take on any debt.

Dont mean to be preachy here. I lost a little over a million in the early 2000's because I was absolutely sure I knew all the risks. But I didnt and it sort of hurt to see that money go away. If I had been more careful(risk aware) back then, and had not lost that money, I would have $4,000,000 now rather than the zero amount it went to. Just hoping my mistakes dont become yours.
I will elaborate on one point... The "Emergency Fund". The only true emergency fund is the one that you are the only person knows where it is or if it even exist. Money in the bank is not an emergency fund. Money in the gun safe is not an emergency fund. When one more human (government, divorce attorney, spouse / kids, stock broker, financial advisor) knows the location, it becomes their emergency fund. During a nationwide emergency you become an obstacle. If you die and it is not found, you are still dead.
 
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I had a hard time investing in anything other than savings accounts at established banks for a long time.

Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s our agency’s employees were invited to participate in an annuity plan that was pseudo state sponsored. After most folks had placed a substantial amount in that plan, the money all disappeared along with the folks who were managing it. While it has been a while ago, to me risk was if the glass jar buried in the back yard might deteriorate. Thankfully, my Brenda took a few risks, saved us a nice nest egg in both of our names while payed off the loans. Yep it takes real trust between spouses, but Brenda and I were really all the we had.

She’s been one damn fine partner. (And yes, like Paul Newman and Joanne Woodworth, we fight like cats and dogs but when the battle is over, IT IS Over! ). Oh, and we never hit each other, heck it might cause us to get hurt.

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Pester,
Very good points. I agree that everyone has to assess their risk, income and savings to make good choices. In my situation, the loan info was in reference to being retired, no earned income, simply using saved monies to pay cash or to finance a truck and let the savings earn interest. In your example, the person was still working and if they had paid cash, then they would not have that cash to fall back on, or to pay off the balance. You provide a great example of why not to get over-extended to “keep up with the Jones’”, as you never know what Murphy has in store for you. That seems to be the main point of Ramsey methods in my opinion, live within your means.

In reference to Dead Eye Dicks post, I've learned (or at least I believe it to be true) that if someone approaches me with a great investment opportunity, annuity, etc., it's because it benefits them, not me. My lesson in that was early in life and I didn't lose a substantial amount, but it surely educated me.
 
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it is very important to have good hobby—like shooting, reloading, comps—that consumes much of your time and takes you out of the house on a regular basis or else your wife will make chore lists and consume every minute of your time. I know from experience. To her, you are now a free handyman with no bounds

REMEMBER: EVERY DAY IS SATURDAY

Semper Fi
This. Retired as a teacher. Now I am a maid, chef, taxi, and any other tasks my wife chooses for me.
 
@gonzaga , right now insurance is $400 per couple. Get to feeders as quick as you can.
That package car will wear out your knees, back and elbows. You won't realize the damage is done until it is too late. You will have to work nights, but it's a lot better than it sounds. As you gain seniority you can transition to days. There are life adjustments, but it's worth it in the end. Been retired for 1 month and 17 days. The only thing I'm worried about is waking up and finding out that I'm in a dream.
 
@gonzaga , right now insurance is $400 per couple. Get to feeders as quick as you can.
That package car will wear out your knees, back and elbows. You won't realize the damage is done until it is too late. You will have to work nights, but it's a lot better than it sounds. As you gain seniority you can transition to days. There are life adjustments, but it's worth it in the end. Been retired for 1 month and 17 days. The only thing I'm worried about is waking up and finding out that I'm in a dream.
I'm at one month and 24 days, its starting to feel wonderful.
 
I'm 59, was set to retire at 55 but got divorced instead. Following for tips, especially health care...
 

The link above for bogleheads changed my investment life forever.

Their basic strategy is simple:

1. Time in the market is more important than market timing (Which is impossible anyway and stressful). Invest on a schedule and don’t worry about daily / weekly swings.

2. Balance your risk comfort level between equities (market funds recommended) and fixed income (bond funds, treasury funds and the like). Pick a percentage for equities and stay with it. If the market goes up, sell equities into fixed income. If the market goes down, buy equities from fixed income.

It is so simple to follow. I am retired and so I am only 30% equities. Others my have a higher risk acceptance and hold a higher percentage equities. Process still works the same.

I found this information out later in life. Wish I had this knowledge when I was 30. Would have made me a ton more money with a lot less stress.
 

The link above for bogleheads changed my investment life forever.

Their basic strategy is simple:

1. Time in the market is more important than market timing (Which is impossible anyway and stressful). Invest on a schedule and don’t worry about daily / weekly swings.

2. Balance your risk comfort level between equities (market funds recommended) and fixed income (bond funds, treasury funds and the like). Pick a percentage for equities and stay with it. If the market goes up, sell equities into fixed income. If the market goes down, buy equities from fixed income.

It is so simple to follow. I am retired and so I am only 30% equities. Others my have a higher risk acceptance and hold a higher percentage equities. Process still works the same.

I found this information out later in life. Wish I had this knowledge when I was 30. Would have made me a ton more money with a lot less stress.
John Bogle brought a simplicity to the masses that had been sorely under reported. At the time I joined in '99 I was letting a friend of the family manage my money and he scoffed at the notion someone w/o securities licensing could do it effectively. Bogleheads broadened my thinking out of the echo chamber the finserv industy uses to mystify investing. Not sure I've even read or been on Bogleheads since 2010 or so going to head over there and read a bit.

Unfortunately I didn't break away from letting others manage my money until after the GFC which hurt ouch. I managed a small portion up until then, but the GFC led me to finally cut off their 'help' at confusing a push up. As you alluded to it's incredibly simple in practice to do on your own, but the discipline part to stick with it when SHTF is the area that comprises the statistic of ~ 85% of retail investors losing money over the long haul. Even those who pay someone to manage can short circuit by saying 'just sell it all and send me a check I'm out'.

We are fairly close in our asset classes I'm 33% equity 67% bond/baby bond/preferred/fixed income CEFs right now. The average P/E of my portfolio is right at 10 so when I say it's boring I mean boring! Enjoy your retirement well done!
 
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""I recently read some data that hiring managers are less willing to hire a member from the Gen Z generation, and they're more likely to hire someone in their 60s," the career expert pointed out. "And the reason for that is because they feel like they're going to get somebody with a good work ethic who is there because they need to be there, and thus they want to be there."

1) No HR team is hiring 60+ year old white males - do not fit narrative, "toxic"
2) Yes, younger workers do not have traditional work ethics
3) Yes, younger workers want better "work-life balance" - i.e. less work more time off but same money
4) Yes, AI is the answer with older workers retired/fired and less younger workers hired
5) Universal Income is coming
 
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John Bogle brought a simplicity to the masses that had been sorely under reported. At the time I joined in '99 I was letting a friend of the family manage my money and he scoffed at the notion someone w/o securities licensing could do it effectively. Bogleheads broadened my thinking out of the echo chamber the finserv industy uses to mystify investing. Not sure I've even read or been on Bogleheads since 2010 or so going to head over there and read a bit.

Unfortunately I didn't break away from letting others manage my money until after the GFC which hurt ouch. I managed a small portion up until then, but the GFC led me to finally cut off their 'help' at confusing a push up. As you alluded to it's incredibly simple in practice to do on your own, but the discipline part to stick with it when SHTF is the area that comprises the statistic of ~ 85% of retail investors losing money over the long haul. Even those who pay someone to manage can short circuit by saying 'just sell it all and send me a check I'm out'.

We are fairly close in our asset classes I'm 33% equity 67% bond/baby bond/preferred/fixed income CEFs right now. The average P/E of my portfolio is right at 10 so when I say it's boring I mean boring! Enjoy your retirement well done!

About a year after discovering Bogleheads, I called my ”money guy” with good news / bad news.

Good news I am finally comfortable managing my money.

Bad news, you’re fired.

It was pretty funny.
 
About a year after discovering Bogleheads, I called my ”money guy” with good news / bad news.

Good news I am finally comfortable managing my money.

Bad news, you’re fired.

It was pretty funny.
Good on you that's awesome.....I'm laughing envisioning that conversation. These FAs have heard that more and more with the proliferation of passive ETF/Index options that have such a long stellar track record of beating most actively managed approaches.

Enjoy the retirement!
 
I'm 59, was set to retire at 55 but got divorced instead. Following for tips, especially health care...
One tip: if you are going to retire before 65 (i.e. before you are on medicare), have some living expense monies squirreled away that are not subject to tax (i.e. do not get reported on your tax return, such as savings). "Obamacare" prices your premiums, deductibles, and max out-of-pocket based on your taxable income.

As an example, here is, a Gold plan cost for $35,000 of income covering one person, in WI, with a taxable income of $35,000 (one of the many plan choices):

Premium​

$88.96/month
Including a $963 tax credit
was $1,051.96

Deductible​

$2,000
Individual total
(health & drug combined)

Out-of-pocket maximum​

$4,500
Individual total
 
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Biggest secret to retiring early is the National Guard or Reserves. 20 years of "part time" work = pension and TRICARE at age 60. Comes at a cost of attending occasional war and lots of weekends away from home. Second income allowed me to save a lot more too.
 
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I hired a company to manage my portfolio last summer. They didn't listen to anything I said, lied about possible returns on their custom SPX options box, and wanted me to put $600K into a reit owned by their "sister company". They said it couldn't lose money but the paperwork only vaguely said "possible high fees to join, possible operating high fees , non-liquid and my not be able to sell later, may lose money.". After I specifically said I wouldn't join a reit unless it had an out option after at most 5 years. Total scam artists. Revoked their control after that pitch.
 
I hired a company to manage my portfolio last summer. They didn't listen to anything I said, lied about possible returns on their custom SPX options box, and wanted me to put $600K into a reit owned by their "sister company". They said it couldn't lose money but the paperwork only vaguely said "possible high fees to join, possible operating high fees , non-liquid and my not be able to sell later, may lose money.". After I specifically said I wouldn't join a reit unless it had an out option after at most 5 years. Total scam artists. Revoked their control after that pitch.
If you want a more liquid option to PE or private placements with your broker then BDC's can be a great option. Publicly traded and they have been filling in the gaps where banks aren't lending....literally giant cash machines with supplemental divs the last 18 months or so.

By chance was that equity REIT offering from RJ?
 
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By chance was that equity REIT offering from RJ?
It was sister firm of Lido Advisors. A partner of Fidelity.

They only take on $1M+ portfolios, I .guessing because they can ignore many of the protection laws/requirements for those types of "investors".
 
It was sister firm of Lido Advisors. A partner of Fidelity.

They only take on $1M+ portfolios, I .guessing because they can ignore many of the protection laws/requirements for those types of "investors".
Yup pretty much any private placement is going to ask for liquid and total net. PE especially b/c they want to make sure you can ante up when capital call requests come in. Sort of like a commercial real estate underwriter getting lower LTVs so when/if something happens they have cushion.
 
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