right here. I think it is interesting, though, that this subject has raised the interest/responses that it has. Something that the responses, at least to me, seem to indicate is that the shooting community is in no way united on this subject. All the more surprising on SH, where I would submit that the preponderance of readers/posters are longer range shooters whose guns would tend to be of a larger caliber. Just my personal impression.If this thread is raising anyone’s blood pressure, you got GOT! The OP made some quality YouTube clickbait
The snipershide equivalent of “Best AR15 battle zero EVAR, CONFIRMED” is this thread.
Sadly my two port brake goes to a YHM Phantom SS.
You're talking about yourself I gather. I been shooting a long time before you were in diapers. SO, who is the "Over-opinionated low-knowledge fukk" here?
I can't help you there - pussy is just that - pussy. By the way, the top shooters in the fucking world at 1000 yards (f-class) are not allowed to use brakes in competition. Put that in your pussy book.
I'd say the average price is about 4500 NOK, so about $400.
Now that makes sense, based upon actual cost of manufacture. $1000-2000 each has always rubbed me the wrong way.
Is the lack of brakes the reason you quit shooting F-Class ?
ITs pretty tough to see bullet holes in paper at 1k.
Belly bench-rest never really held any interest for me. I've always held that F-Class is short for Fudd-Class. I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.
Exactly, there is absolutely no advantage to optimizing a rifle for self-spotting in F-Class. Bringing this sport into the discussion is a red herring.
It's not the hits on steel that are the problem. It's spotting the misses- as they give much less indication. As often as not, the only indication is that elusive "bullet trace."
While this may be the case, the majority of targets at a typical PRS event are closer than 1000, and are not shot from prone. The irony of shooting is that self-spotting gets more difficult as the range gets closer because time is on your side.
Who said I was addressing you anyway? Hear that a lot do you?
Easy now. I'm a Florida Geriatric, just not inbred.
Really? You didnt respond to my post?
People who like to shit talk but then cry when it gets thrown back at them. If they don't want the smoke then they shouldn't ask for it.
I thought your use of the term "Gentleman" was worth bonus points, but "Mature Men"? kind of silly in this place
Is this new rule book named
Yes it is. It doesn't bother me at all sir. I was just curious what started all that shit. LMAO
I can't remember what I wore yesterday sometimes and I'm only 55. I got two brain cells left and they're fighting each other. But I can shoot well, so I don't really care if I notice when I get back from the grocery store that I had two different shoes on.
Well, I did intimate that they were few and far between, but yeah, you`re right.I thought your use of the term "Gentleman" was worth bonus points, but "Mature Men"? kind of silly in this place
There's no doubt I probably have it. CQB training for 12 years definitely pokes ya in the chops. However, I attribute most of my short term memory loss to injuries I suffered doing stupid shit when I was younger. I probably had multiple concussions from racing dirt bikes, crashing my bicycle as a kid (we didn't wear helmets back then) and no one knew about concussions. After a crash, you took a minute to figure out where you were, shook it off and got back on the damned thing.
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I'm quite certain I have some mild symptoms of this phenomenon. I took the suggestion of a member on here and printed a sign and put it on my bench in case of such things. The RSO saw it and said "Isn't that sweet of you". I said I'm trying. LOLLook guys, @DeathBeforeDismount lacks a bunch of social skills. I’m sure he is aware but can’t help himself.
But he does sometimes offer actual helpful info (unfortunately usually wrapped in bombastic insults).
Can Shooting Cause Brain Damage? The Science, the Bad News, and the Solution
Beyond hearing damage, are shooters and hunters susceptible to Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI)? We share the bad news, the science and the solution.
Firearm recoil and traumatic brain injury
A new experiment is underway to show if there is a connection between firearm recoil and traumatic brain injury. Can shooting high recoil guns cause TBI?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7396645/ (suggestive)
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Did you know you can damage your hearing even if you are wearing the best hearing protection available? Well, have you ever heard of concussion (or concussive) hearing loss? There is no amount of anything you can put in or over your ears to protect you from concussion loss.bulletin.accurateshooter.com
The short version is: if it makes you feel funny, tired, or gives you headaches etc, it’s almost certainly not good for you.
You might be fine farting and smoking and using a fucking loud-ass brake, but the guy near you might have had TBI in the military and you’re ruining his day. Or you’re battering a little kid’s brain. Or a lady already has hearing loss and you’re doing her no favors as the brake overpowers her muffs+plugs.
It’s about compassion.
Brakes don't make a gun any louder. The brake does redirect the noise and concussion to other shooters.
Hey, good for you! Seriously.
Well I'm doing my best to at least try. I'm sympathetic to people with injuries. Just not to some whining goof from NY testing out his 22LR and realizing guns are loud. I doubt an hour next to me is going to scar him for life. But some combat vet or retired SWAT Operator with a problem is a different story altogether. If the range can't accommodate such an individual due to no other spaces available, I would either leave or wait until they are finished. Thus, the sign.
"Have you seen Junior's grades?"
I do. Take suppressors off of Class III and ATFs greedy fingers and make them an available and thus more affordable option to every person. While most suppressors do not provide the same level of recoil reduction as the best brakes do, they do mitigate recoil and the recoil pulse is often felt/believed to be easier for spotting.
Using a 90 degree brake or wider brake might help.
Loudness is a subject that is vexing.
Dangit, you are fast on the draw.
At 1000, spotting a hole on paper is pretty much impossible, at least with a 27x scope. And when in heavy mirage - impossible - even at 600.
100% agree. Let's be honest, the prices we pay in the US for suppressors is due solely to the retarded gun laws we have and the extreme red-tape required to manufacture one here. If they weren't NFA items, and more manufacturers jumped in, like most other gun accessories, we wouldn't be paying more than $400-$500 for a metal tube with baffles in it either.
The trouble is 99.9% of the time you can’t tell who has this type of injury. And they probably don’t want to impose upon you and might even be embarrassed about the whole thing.
There is nothing embarrassing about that sir. A quick explanation would suffice to get me to alternate with you or whatever. I do realize, however, that I am not most people and there are an abundance of jackass non caring douchebags on this rock.
Check out the ATS brakes. Aaron Hipp designed them for this reason. He is a long time prs shooter who was getting tired of headaches after shooting. We tested it on his gun and a few of us bought them. I don't know how he did it, but you can stand next to it and not get ringing concussion. The brake exceeds the recoil reduction of A419 brakes, and it's been tested and proven. That's why I tell people there is zero reason to run them. You can get better recoil reduction while having a very concussion friendly brake that doesn't beat people up.
