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Any chance you could help me with getting some repair work on PLRF15?Make sure you order through me for the discount
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I'm happy to pay for repairs, best LRF I've ever had but I've not had any luck getting a quote for repair.
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Serious threat to anyone in the business, even for kestrel if Calypso stuff is good ( any clue, gents?) or Garmin would jump on the bandwagon and take by storm also the wind reading tool for shooting applications….after the chrono segment.
I’m curious to see how they compare with the Sig10K….
Never mind @BigJimFish actually answered that question…
Never mind @BigJimFish actually answered that question…
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Its the glass. Very expensive glass.
You doing a wait list on these also ?Yes! When it gets closer to being released
-Richard
Is the sales at cstactical the right email I didn’t receive a reply about the zco wait list
I'll post this here as well as the other thread.
I'm on the list to get one for testing. I expect these to be a 90% solution, but they will not replace the standard Vector 21 for those that need an XLR rangefinder system. Given that you need about 50% of the beam on target for a reliable range, at 2000m the beam will be 3.2m wide, meaning you need a target of 1.8M (5.9') wide. If you are looking for precise positions, the +/- 5 degrees will lead to a 175m potential error at 2000m. I don't see where the tripod mount uses brass screws and is amagnetic, so that won't help. Absent the Vectronix tripod, I've got to do some extensive modifications to the Manfrotto tripod systems I use to get good position data. I don't see that the display has a NV mode, which seems unfortunate. It i 905nm though, so if you tripod mount it and slave it to an observation device you can see the beam on target and have the data sent to a NV readable system.
These should be pretty much perfect for most long range shooters. You can range most shootable targets within 1500, get solutions with your preferred solver and do most spotting work with these. The price is outstanding for the capability.
I'm on the list to get one for testing. I expect these to be a 90% solution, but they will not replace the standard Vector 21 for those that need an XLR rangefinder system. Given that you need about 50% of the beam on target for a reliable range, at 2000m the beam will be 3.2m wide, meaning you need a target of 1.8M (5.9') wide. If you are looking for precise positions, the +/- 5 degrees will lead to a 175m potential error at 2000m. I don't see where the tripod mount uses brass screws and is amagnetic, so that won't help. Absent the Vectronix tripod, I've got to do some extensive modifications to the Manfrotto tripod systems I use to get good position data. I don't see that the display has a NV mode, which seems unfortunate. It i 905nm though, so if you tripod mount it and slave it to an observation device you can see the beam on target and have the data sent to a NV readable system.
These should be pretty much perfect for most long range shooters. You can range most shootable targets within 1500, get solutions with your preferred solver and do most spotting work with these. The price is outstanding for the capability.
CS for those were awful.
But I thought the Terrapin-X has stateside CS and support, unlike the older Vectronix units?
Wow, I've never seen such a "shut up and take my money" thread so quickly on a new product. Well done 
I see these being the new norm in the competitive shooting market if the solver is relatively accurate. A little too cluttered for my taste for hunting, but I don't think that is what these are made for. Cool product for sure.
This almost makes me want to sell my Terrapin-X and Kowa binos to get into the LRF bino game...
It’s AB elite so we all know it’s good.
Through Eurooptic yes. Even tho this is technically Safran, Vectronix shooting solutions is supposed to be a different branch altogether. So they have their own thing going on afaik.
It’ll be a lot nicer than the terrapin – X.
The one thing I like about the Sig 10K is that it pretty much ranges anything that I’m gonna shoot at, and even though the glass is a little bit blue, they’re pretty decent overall, and I have the solver.
Plus, they work directly with a kestrel, or a Garmin watch, etc.
So Vectronix is really adding all of that functionality, plus, ranging, rectangles, plus different high-end glass options…
The one thing I like about the Sig 10K is that it pretty much ranges anything that I’m gonna shoot at, and even though the glass is a little bit blue, they’re pretty decent overall, and I have the solver.
Plus, they work directly with a kestrel, or a Garmin watch, etc.
So Vectronix is really adding all of that functionality, plus, ranging, rectangles, plus different high-end glass options…
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I don’t think anyone on here is comparing a $2.9k LRF Bino to a Vector 21 that you sell for $10k.
I was looking at possibly getting back to the IV/ 21 mainly for the Bino factor. But I’ll wait and see what these are all about, first.
Maybe I’ll get lucky and have a pair for the NF ELR Match. See how they perform. I got a bunch of buddies in my squad with IV’s and 21’s
Dang, I just finished off paying those Vortex Razor binocs w/ AB. I'm getting too old and too poor for this game.
In for more info. These look like the answer I’ve been looking for.
^^^ This right here for sure, Zeiss, Swaro and Leica need to improve their display game. But now I don't care, if I can get Leica glass in the Vector X but with this brilliant LRF unit and well thought out HUD, this could finally persuade me... the extender option is icing on the cake!
I think the Garmin Xero C1 may have been faster with "shut up and take my money..."Wow, I've never seen such a "shut up and take my money" thread so quickly on a new product. Well done
You've got me there.I think the Garmin Xero C1 may have been faster with "shut up and take my money..."
Ordered 12x with range extenders and begrudgingly the DMR reticle. I want a less cluttered view like the MSR but want more mag than 12x. Would have loved a 15x bino.
I would think the extenders will also work with the MSR-SMR binocular, you just wouldn't have the adjusted reticle for when the extenders were used. Can anyone verify this?
That’s what my understanding from Euro Optic was. The extenders work on both, just the reticle for ranging/miling targets will be wrong without the adjusted reticle
Yeah they do, but I will likely never run them for my purpose without the extenders and it wouldn’t do me any good to only have a reticle that the subtensions weren’t correct in
Well, since Vectronix is in the thread......first suggestion:
Offer a single reticle choice that has correct sub tensions with the magnifiers. Obviously you can't make everyone happy. But I think there are going to be a lot of customers who will be using the magnifiers almost 100% of the time and would also like only one reticle/less clutter.
15x Swaro SLC are the gold standard for PRS spotting (and other similar things). So a 17x (12x with magnifier) bino with single reticle would be popular.
Offer a single reticle choice that has correct sub tensions with the magnifiers. Obviously you can't make everyone happy. But I think there are going to be a lot of customers who will be using the magnifiers almost 100% of the time and would also like only one reticle/less clutter.
15x Swaro SLC are the gold standard for PRS spotting (and other similar things). So a 17x (12x with magnifier) bino with single reticle would be popular.
Yeah all of the PRS guys I’ve spoken to feel similarly. Would have loved a 15x base optic, the extender to 17 is a compromise, having a cluttered reticle on top of that, is another compromise, which starts to feel like a lot after dropping $3500+ on set of binos.
The newest Swaro rangers are a real treat to look through. If they can be up to Leica standards, it’s going to be a winner.
The 3-year warranty scares me off a bit.... As tempting as these are I think I'll wait awhile to see if these have issues or until the competition comes out with something comparable/better with a better warranty.
Do you think? A 2.5mm exit pupil would be fairly straining to spend extended amounts of time on for most people. Particularly in lower light conditions when our pupils dilate.
I'm not educated enough on that side of things to have an opinion. I do know that many will attempt to use these as their primary/only means of spotting like they do with Swaro SLC.
If there's some technical details about these binos vs the Swaro that will make extended viewing straining, then yea, I'd agree that's going to be an issue.
I'll personally be getting the 12x with the magnifiers. But only because I prefer to have more magnification when ranging. I'll still be using something our BTX as the main spotter. Will likely mount these binos just above or above and off to side of BTX and use them for finding targets/milling for wind....and using the BTX for actual spotting. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I will use these at the 12x a decent amount too.
I called myself reading the entire thread and their factory spec sheets but can't find anything on my question...
Will screwing the Range Extenders on to the front degrade the LRF sensitivity?
Aren't these units generating as well as receiving through the lens? It would seem that adding another lens pack in front would carry a performance penalty. Is this a valid assumption?
@Glassaholic , @BigJimFish ?
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Will screwing the Range Extenders on to the front degrade the LRF sensitivity?
Aren't these units generating as well as receiving through the lens? It would seem that adding another lens pack in front would carry a performance penalty. Is this a valid assumption?
@Glassaholic , @BigJimFish ?
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Obviously people vary, but manufacturers tend to target ~4mm exit pupil to fit most folks. Younger people have smaller pupils, older people have larger pupils, and all our pupils dilate in lowlight conditions. It’s why you see most 10’s have a 42mm objective or larger, 12’s having a 50mm objective or larger, and most people won’t go higher than 15x with a 56mm objective, etc.
I think 12x42 with a 1.4 magnifier will be fine for limited number of people in limited conditions. But if this is your primary means to glass, and that means in challenging lighting conditions and/or extended periods of time, I don’t think they’d be very popular.
I’ve moved away from a spotter, and I’ll only use lrf Binos as my primary. I’m in for the 10x42 with the single mag reticle. I might get the extenders for limited use, and if so, I’d just do the basic arithmetic if I really needed to mil something with the extenders on. At least for me, that would be a very rare circumstance.
Interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
I spend a lot of time in a Swaro BTX and SLC 15x. The BTX has Exit Pupil of 2.2, 2.9, 2.7, and 3.1 depending which objective you use. The SLC is 3.5mm I believe.
As I get older, I am finding them to be a bit more tiring than I remember. Just assumed it was older eyes (which I'm sure part of it is). But this is definitely good info to look into and compare to something with a 4mm or more feels like.
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