Exit pupil on 10x (which is what you mentioned) is going to be exactly the same in a 1-10x scope as in a 2-10x scope as long as the objective diameter is the same.
Man, I think I am really going to like that HTR
Yes I know. I was saying because the DMR is much better in person than the pics, I really expect to like the HTR in the flesh.
This is great
That would be my second choice in reticle and I still like it.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it is going to be somewhere south of current 4-20 pricing
Don’t expect “cheap” but I also don’t think it’s going to be S&B short dot territory either. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it is going to be somewhere south of current 4-20 pricing
....damn S&B...you used to be cool Look, half the beauty of owning the short dot is knowing that if ever decide to part with it for anything else, you are putting money back in your pocket.
Yeah that German crack must be real good. Actual footage of SuB executive on the way to US pricing strategy meeting:(logs into EuroOptic and sees 5-20 prices WITH discount)....
Most people aren’t swapping uppers for their specific patrol. Denigrate the concept all you want by casting your notions of other people’s fantasies onto the topic. But it doesn’t change the facts that situations DO occur (and somewhat regularly depending on the OE) where you’ll be working around buildings and have to immediately switch to contact you’re taking from 300-600 meters.
Okay. If it’s the only option that meets the functional requirements, then sure. But I don’t know a single soldier who doesn’t care about shaving half a pound of weight if it’s not needed. If there are multiple options and one weighs half a pound less, yes I’m taking that half a pound less. And so far, I’m not seeing anything about the ZCO that makes it unique in meeting functional requirements of the 2-10 realm.
Good hypothesis. But that’s all it is.
? How are red dot magnifiers at all a relevant comparison to a 2-10x optic? But, all those you listed are still lighter than the ZCO with mount. And you’re bringing up a goobers mount?
It’s not about being butt hurt. It’s about Rio Precision’s ad hominem attacks against people who have a different opinion. It couldn’t be that other people have valid opinions different from his. No, it’s just that people with different opinions are mere internet dwellers who don’t have real world experience.
Do you mean ZCO at 10x and March at 10x? I see these as two very different scopes designed for different purposes and expect the ZCO to do extremely well optically within the 2-10x range which was its design intent. Essentially the ZCO was designed to be an alternative for guys using 1-10 LPVO's who are not quite happy with the performance above 6x or at distance while the March was designed as more of an MPVO/Crossover style scope with a larger objective. Sure, both could be used in a similar fashion but March design intent was making a 10x erector MPVO while ZCO stuck with a 5x erector MPVO and smaller objective. I am very curious to see how the new ZCO 2-10x30 performs and expect it to do very well especially with a properly designed MPVO reticle.
Well put.
People making definitive assertions about an optic that hasn’t even been released into the wild yet based upon a spec sheet or an illustration of a reticle is the definition of an internet spec sheet warrior…and this thread has had a lot of that. Maybe, people should wait until it’s actually released before declaring it a piece of shit that misses the mark…whatever that is for them. Rio is just point that out. Maybe you don’t like the way he’s doing it, but that’s all it is.
Roger that, I have my suspicions but will have to wait until the ZCO 2-10 makes it into the wild, hopefully not too long now.
Weight isn’t going to change when people get it in person, so I’m not sure why that can’t be discussed definitively before handling it. It’s a much more valid definitive statement than “No one is pieing corners and then running out to make 500yd engagements right after in real life. Just on forums.”
When the Mark 5hd 2-10 was launched there were a lot of complaints about the weight, stupid 35mm tube and only 30mm objective lens.
