IDTS?

Birddog6424 said:

IMPACT!!!

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Had a miss. Probably a bad wind call.

BigJohn141 said:

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If you listen to it muted, I swear you can hear the shots and the impacts.

My two cents on this. I got the DFAT and worked my NRL22 gun hard on it before ever going to my first match. Unknowingly, my first match was a big NRL22X match put on by MKM. My prior work with the DFAT put me in a good position that none of my gear or the props were totally foreign to me. With nothing but DFAT practice and Strelok Pro, I was able to hang in 12 stage NRL22X match without embarrassing myself.

PracticalTactical said:

I made the mistake of buying D.F.A.T and realized in minutes of opening the box that it is useless to me, and probably most of you.

The device limits the focusing distance to just a few feet. Unless you plan to perform dry fire practice in your bathroom or across the dinner table, that is just too short.

I attempted to return the bloody thing 30 minutes after arrival but the dealer refused based on an obscure pandemic policy statement burred in his web site. Since the policy was there, even the credit card company refused to protect me.

So ya, I have this stupid thing and no use for it whatsoever.

The concept of the product is sound however the lenses are not idealized for the practical use of such a product.

If the operating distance was longer, then it would be useful, but I suspect the volume of sales does not justify efforts to appropriately select lenses.

The minimum focus distance should be the current maximum focus distance, then it might have a chance. An actual focus distance range between 5 and 15 yards would be ideal, but the current offering will not focus past 5 yards at most.

I do not recommend that anyone buys such a product until they address the problem I noted here.

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is this still available?

PracticalTactical said:

Well if it works for you have fun with it.

Personally I see no value to such a device because it does not provide any feedback. That absence of feedback will reinforce a false sense of achievement because it only provides you with an aiming point, and no evidence of the quality of your shot. You don't know if you pulled a shot or if cant caused you to throw the shot off to the side. At such a close distance the angular error is hard to see making it even more difficult to evaluate your performance.

If you want feedback there is no substitute for actual shooting. You would be far better off with a high quality PCP air rifle and shoot that in the basement. That will provide real feedback. If you pull the shot you will see it. If you cant the rifle you will see it. A Weirauch HW100 with a solid steel barrel is surely more expensive than a DFAT, but far more beneficial as a learning tool. With good pellets you can shoot groups around 0.020" or better from 10 yards. If the quality of your shot is not perfect, the evidence will be clear on the target.

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I agree with you,

if you want feedback there is no substitute for actual shooting, but not always people have the opportunity to go to the shooting range.
I use the IDTS in this way, TRIGGERCAM 2.1 to record my training session.and Mantis X to track my reticle movement on the targets.
If you take a look at this video you can see some correlations between reticle position on target when I broke the shot and reticle movement with Mantis X.
what I‘ve checked from dry fire and live fire experience is the following, if you have a score less than 98 probably you miss the target, or may be you have an impact for a lucky bad wind call, talking about real shooting to targets beyond 500 meters.
the inner circle of the Mantis X has a radius of 3.75 MOA, if you have a 98 score, you are very close to a deviation of 1 MOA, shooting to a 2 MOA targets if you are lucky you are on the edge.
Using IDTS I do practice with different COF, type of barricade ecc ecc, I works to build solid position, magazines change practice and much more.
I do dry fire using IDTS and some time with real targets looking outside my house, the most of time with the same configuration TRIGGERCAM and Mantis X.
Yes, I say again no substitute for real shooting, but with my approach I‘ve some sort of feedback
I did the training of this video using standing position with rifle on a QDT tripod and a bag.
I do also shooting with a PCP to 25 meters, what I think, do something is better than do nothing.

drill at 100 meters, also here some correlations between reticle position when I broke the shot and Mantis X path.
so finally, dry fire with my approach give me a sort of feedback
in this first video the shot with a score of 98.2 is on the bottom on the right side, my target is not squared, irregular shape, some tolerance but on the most of the shots all the reference are very close

PracticalTactical said:

I made the mistake of buying D.F.A.T and realized in minutes of opening the box that it is useless to me, and probably most of you.

The device limits the focusing distance to just a few feet. Unless you plan to perform dry fire practice in your bathroom or across the dinner table, that is just too short.

I attempted to return the bloody thing 30 minutes after arrival but the dealer refused based on an obscure pandemic policy statement burred in his web site. Since the policy was there, even the credit card company refused to protect me.

So ya, I have this stupid thing and no use for it whatsoever.

The concept of the product is sound however the lenses are not idealized for the practical use of such a product.

If the operating distance was longer, then it would be useful, but I suspect the volume of sales does not justify efforts to appropriately select lenses.

The minimum focus distance should be the current maximum focus distance, then it might have a chance. An actual focus distance range between 5 and 15 yards would be ideal, but the current offering will not focus past 5 yards at most.

I do not recommend that anyone buys such a product until they address the problem I noted here.

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Old post but if you still have it. . . I'll buy it from ya for $20? I'd love to try one.

Has anyone had trouble with the IDTS substantially changing the length of the required eye relief on your scope when installed? I have to extend the length of pull by over an inch to get a full field of view which changes the ergonomics of the rifle.

What am I doing wrong?

AKMachinist said:

Has anyone had trouble with the IDTS substantially changing the length of the required eye relief on your scope when installed? I have to extend the length of pull by over an inch to get a full field of view which changes the ergonomics of the rifle.

What am I doing wrong?

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I use a DFAT and haven’t had anything like that happen.

Might (re)check your target distance and focus etc?

Take your sunshade off….

Absoluterock said:

I use a DFAT and haven’t had anything like that happen.

Might (re)check your target distance and focus etc?

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I've tried several distances and the complete range of magnification and parallax. If I keep the same eye relief as normal and try to use it I end up with the classic black halo of improper eye relief.

ZY100 said:

Take your sunshade off….

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Hahaha, wish it was that simple. Good idea to check though. Thanks.

In the interest of saving some time for someone looking at this thread later, I'll describe my stupidity causing error.

Mistake 1.... I moved my scope and cheekpiece around to a neutral enough position that my wife could shoot the rifle as well just by adjusting the length of pull.

Mistake 2... When moving the scope to that more neutral position I did all of my setup off a bag on a ladder.

Mistake 3... I plopped my fat ass on the ground to try the IDTS out in the prone position with a scope mounted barely within my eye relief.

The fix... Reset scope to proper eye relief and recognize that because I'm fat I need to be careful about how I get into prone because it throws my head way forward compared to positional shooting that is more upright. To summarize, the IDTS is awesome and I've been putting in 15 min to half an hour every day with it. Very happy I purchased it.

Reviving this thread. Good info.

I was deciding between the two. Thought I wanted the IDTS as I like the stand. I got out a Vortex scope cap and can't get it on the end of my Vortex Razor Gen II due to clearance over barrel. Is the cap that comes with IDTS similar? If so, guess my option is to just buy the DFAT.

Deltagunner00 said:

Reviving this thread. Good info.

I was deciding between the two. Thought I wanted the IDTS as I like the stand. I got out a Vortex scope cap and can't get it on the end of my Vortex Razor Gen II due to clearance over barrel. Is the cap that comes with IDTS similar? If so, guess my option is to just buy the DFAT.

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The DFAT screws in to the threads the sunshade uses. IDTS does offer the targets and stand without the lens, so you can get best of both.

For me the DFAT screws into the scope with no sunshade on. It wasn't large enough for when the sunshade was screwed on.

Living in an apartment in the city these devices are amazing

Hi guys,
my name is Dominic and I'm the owner of IDTS, hope I'm not braking any rules by posting but if you got any questions please feel free to ask