Just emailed them about pricing. They offered to ship one straight to me if MF didn't have them in stock but would have to honor the US dealer pricing so doesn't sound like assembly location has changed. I was a buyer at the original price but I don't think I want to give MF an extra $400.
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To their credit, it's easier to love it $900 landed vs AMP v1 money (40% premium).
They should at least cover shipping for anyone still interested.
I'd have been perfectly happy paying the extra $400 if I hadn't bought it at the old price. I'd pick this over the AMP at the same price.
Im shocked that anyone would even consider the QA at that price. The AMP is around the same price and far superior. If you want something like the QA just buy an giraud Annealer ,ugly Annealer, or any other automated flame snnealer and save the thousand bucks. If you want the annealer that has actual science to back it up . There’s only 1 choice - Amp.
And I am shocked about such a bold statement.
Mind sharing your experience with both machines?
come on guys, it's pretty clear that you're just guessing with the QA, whereas you're getting a pretty precise hardness value with the AMP.
I'm not AMP fanboy, I use my Giraud too. But let's be real: QA is NOT amp, and when they cost the same, there's no comparison, especially for the newcomer
I'm not AMP fanboy, I use my Giraud too. But let's be real: QA is NOT amp, and when they cost the same, there's no comparison, especially for the newcomer
Alright, I crawl back into the cave…. to much “science” for me. Annealer thread’s suck most of the time anyway, one of the many things in reloading that I’ll test myself.
I believe it is still being assembled in South Africa. Mountain Forged is just selling it for them in the USA, so the price increase is probably the distributors cut.
With the new price of Quick Anneal, I don't see any reason to not choose the AMP now.
For something more affordable, I would consider the Annie induction annealer v1.5, the v2.0 is double the price but much quicker for the annealing job.
For something more affordable, I would consider the Annie induction annealer v1.5, the v2.0 is double the price but much quicker for the annealing job.
Figured I’d weigh in here since I’m one of the guys from ‘MF’.
We spent a lot of time with the unit before we agreed to be the distributors. Jon Pynch and I have now done thousands of pieces of brass on these with great results.
We would have loved for the unit to be $999 stateside, but there is no way that is possible with shipping and importing hassle. (We currently have a batch stuck in customs.)
As for why to choose this over other options, that's obviously going to be up to each individual, but it is an amazing unit that is very easy to use. Additionally, it is very simple and cost-effective to automate. If you factor that into the cost, it becomes significantly more affordable.
We spent a lot of time with the unit before we agreed to be the distributors. Jon Pynch and I have now done thousands of pieces of brass on these with great results.
We would have loved for the unit to be $999 stateside, but there is no way that is possible with shipping and importing hassle. (We currently have a batch stuck in customs.)
As for why to choose this over other options, that's obviously going to be up to each individual, but it is an amazing unit that is very easy to use. Additionally, it is very simple and cost-effective to automate. If you factor that into the cost, it becomes significantly more affordable.
After watching both units in action on the video's. I bought the Quick Anneal. It preforms great, and with the auto drop when it's done, it runs faster and cooler then the AMP. They are both around the same price now. Pick your poison. I'm happy with it.
This.
The QA unit is a very well built GinaEric/MGNZ annealer. Nothing new about this, other than the build quality. They're taking a guess that the proper flash annealing temp happens at the exact time the material starts to glow. It may or it may not. When you're talking times this short, reaction time comes into play here too. AMP did the RND to determine the correct way/amount to anneal and has published plenty of papers to prove it. QA has not. They built the best version of a DIY induction annealer.
I honestly don’t know why anyone would pay the current price for a machine that literally does the same thing as a $200 annealeez. Only difference is its induction instead of flame. You are still playing a guessing game with your annealing time. I almost bought a quick anneal. However after emailing the company several times. I found out the “test” you perform isn’t actually a test at all, it’s a timer. It’s just another automated Annealer literally the only difference is that it is induction instead of flame. My statement is based on the fact that if you want to truly anneal your cases consistently there is currently only 1 option, the Amp .
How could one reason with someone that doesn’t seem to be able to even read the thread title? Or do you call your reply a review of the Quick Annealer?
Only on SH we have guys state “facts” on equipment they don’t even own.
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It's NOT the "only difference" as the timing will be a lot more consistent and unlike flame annealing where their can be variations in the heat of the fame depending on how the flame is being controlled. More than anything, whatever one is doing with their case prep, it's all about consistency.
Their argument is ultimately that with the AMP, they get ‘scientific’ starting points for their settings and that’s a perceived advantage. Thus they can ignore the advantage the QA has for automated feeding, which apparently matters more to some than others.
I personally appreciate that there’s competition in the market. I’m not happy with the price increase, but blame no one or thing for it except market forces.
Sub-note: I absolutely do understand and appreciate the testing and engineering behind quantifying the temperature zones with respect to each cartridge type and the programming it takes. It’s just that it doesn’t strike me as being critical for a regular use basis. Sure, if you shoot 10 calibers or more and tend to swap around often, there’s a benefit for your use.
The AMP is ideal for getting what is considered the perfect hardness and the electronic timing gives it the repeatability. Quick Anneal does not necessarily get one to the "perfect hardness", but whatever setting is used, the annealing can be just as consistent as the AMP. The difference between what the AMP does and what can be done with the Quick Anneal is a small difference that isn't likely measurable on targets. . . even for BR shooters.
The simple automated feeding that can be done with the Quick Anneal is a big plus over what can be done with the AMP. When money is not object, AMP is the way to do. The QA is a good choice for those with limited budgets and want to save time annealing in bulk.
You don’t have to sacrifice a case with QA either. Are you under the mistaken impression that you need to destroy a case to tell when it gets red?
Bummer to find this thread now. I had my sights set on this last year when I first ran across this thread but a 40% price increase is pretty hard to swallow after saving up all this time.
$400 for shipping and import hassle seems a bit outlandish when you could previously get them shipped to your door for ~$990.
$400 for shipping and import hassle seems a bit outlandish when you could previously get them shipped to your door for ~$990.
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