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Rifle Scopes Acog or lpvo

Jmccracken1214

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    Looking for an optic under $1000 or so, going on a rifle to ride in the truck, side by side etc to use while working property. 300 is probably max shot I’d have to take on pests. I’m leaning 4x acog.

    Any tough lpvo that compete in this price range
     
    Jmccracken1214 said:
    Looking for an optic under $1000 or so, going on a rifle to ride in the truck, side by side etc to use while working property. 300 is probably max shot I’d have to take on pests. I’m leaning 4x acog.

    Any tough lpvo that compete in this price range
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    I had a 4x Acog ~15yrs ago. Super clear glass, BDC was great with green tip out to the 500yds that I had available to me. I had to have a loopy 1.5-5 lpvo so I sold the Acog. I had regrets very shortly after getting some time behind the loopy. The loopy was passed along in very short order.

    I believe that practice with the Acog will have you smiling at what you can achieve with it.

    Keith
     
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    Keith E. said:
    I had a 4x Acog ~15yrs ago. Super clear glass, BDC was great with green tip out to the 500yds that I had available to me. I had to have a loopy 1.5-5 lpvo so I sold the Acog. I had regrets very shortly after getting some time behind the loopy. The loopy was passed along in very short order.

    I believe that practice with the Acog will have you smiling at what you can achieve with it.

    Keith
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    I ran a acog on a a2 in Afghanistan. I do like them
     
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    LPVO… ACOG eye relief (or lack there of) is annoying in 2024.

    Steiner P4xi 1-4 is what I’ve been running for years now and they’re still solid with decent glass and a daylight-bright dot, but a used Razor 1-6 would be even better IMHO.
     
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    I got the 1-8 trijicon credo hx for 899 on euro optic. Thing is a tank for a lvpo. Glass is nice
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    I'm curious how the fov on a 4x acog compares to the 4x on lpvo scopes. I have a feeling acog might win in that department. For a carbine I like the idea of a piggyback red dot on an acog because of the smaller size and hands free switching between 1x to 4x.
     
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    Acog 36.8@100
    Lpvo will vary model to model and power setting, which is an advantage in my opinion. I never cared for the eye relief of an acog
     
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    Another vote for Trijicon in your price range, built like tanks with quality glass.
     
    I have both. I compete with 14.5” w/ ACOG with RMR up top. Shot it yesterday in a stage with targets from 10’ to 430+ yards. Only miss I had was my dumb ass doubling one up close so a no engage on the third target and one miss at distance as I snatched the trigger. To 300 -500 they’re excellent. At 600 or more they start to get outpaced by the 6-10x scopes.

    I have zero concern dumping the rifle into a dump box or barrel with the ACOG. Things are lightweight tanks..
     
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    schmi015 said:
    What are you running? 16in ar in 5.56/.223? Its a dirty secret that this model of acog lines up with the ballistics of 75/77 grain ammo for 5.56 out to 900yds.

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    Running on a lightweight 18”
    Maybe swap to a shorter barrel in the future, but like the idea of some extra speed with the 75gr I’m going to run.

    I get the eye relief thing but mainly wanting something very durable and light weight. I’ll look into the px4 Steiner also to compare
     
    Jmccracken1214 said:
    The p4xi is only 2oz heavier, plus the weight of the mount and camera land has a good sale on them. Decision time
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    I want to love the ACOG and probably will own another one day for a certain application, but damn the Steiner is nice. Hard to get a brighter dot and the 1x is very nice. I have mine on a .357 lever gun.

    For the weight, they are super robust and I set mine into some NF ultralight rings. If the ACOG was $600, it'd be a tough choice, but with the price difference, I'd do Steiner 1-4 every day.
     
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    Gustav7 said:
    I want to love the ACOG and probably will own another one day for a certain application, but damn the Steiner is nice. Hard to get a brighter dot and the 1x is very nice. I have mine on a .357 lever gun.

    For the weight, they are super robust and I set mine into some NF ultralight rings. If the ACOG was $600, it'd be a tough choice, but with the price difference, I'd do Steiner 1-4 every day.
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    We put the Steiner 1-4 on my daughter’s lightweight 16.5” Krieger. It’s a nice sight but I had a hard time getting any off the shelf ammo to come even close to the BDC. What ammo are you using to semi-true up the BDC? Maybe my literature was off??
     
    FatBoy said:
    We put the Steiner 1-4 on my daughter’s lightweight 16.5” Krieger. It’s a nice sight but I had a hard time getting any off the shelf ammo to come even close to the BDC. What ammo are you using to semi-true up the BDC? Maybe my literature was off??
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    Meh I don't look at BDC that way. They calibrate for SS109/M855 at 2680fps. If you're not within 50fps of that, you're gonna need to do your own evaluation anyways.

    I generally zero to 100yds, and then map out the BDC at distance. So I get a true BDC range. Hypothetical example, it may look like 100yds, 190, 275, 400, 520... etc.

    I am using this on a .357 lever gun, so its currently only being utilized at the center point and first stadia line. But I love it for this gun as of now.
     
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    I haven’t shot the Steiner in a few years as the rifle and her are both at Ft. Lewis, but it’s worth a revisit. I think we got it for $385 new so it was a steal, and very nice but the ACOG is tough to beat on a 5.56. I don’t find the eye relief it be an issue, certainly not as big a deal as my g3 1-10 off VTACs.

    That said, a buddy came in and did Legion with me last year, and outshot me with my backup rifle wearing the G3 1-10 so it further reenforces it’s the Indian, not the arrow.
     
    If you have an eye prescription but don't generally wear glasses, know that you will need to use them with your ACOG.

    Someone needs to come up with an add on ocular adjuster to make ACOGs perfect.
     
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    Quick pic. Not 100% on this 18” barrel. My 12.5” sbr has really made me re think longer barrels.
    This is a ruger mpr. Ta31f-g
    She is pretty light and handy though.
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    Another vote of confidence on your choice of ACOG for truck gun durability.

    I had the issued ACOG (TA31F I think) on my M16A4 in Iraq. I was a driver so it rode on the tunnel next to me in the HMMMV. We did convoy escort and patrols, so it was in the truck almost daily. At one point, my gunner, at 265 lbs in full kit, was standing on it. The scope never lost its zero, and the glass never took a scratch in that environment. We would put a piece of 100 mile an hour tape, with a folded tab at the end, over the fiber optic to adjust the chevron brightness.

    Greg
     
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    FatBoy said:
    I haven’t shot the Steiner in a few years as the rifle and her are both at Ft. Lewis, but it’s worth a revisit. I think we got it for $385 new so it was a steal, and very nice but the ACOG is tough to beat on a 5.56. I don’t find the eye relief it be an issue, certainly not as big a deal as my g3 1-10 off VTACs.

    That said, a buddy came in and did Legion with me last year, and outshot me with my backup rifle wearing the G3 1-10 so it further reenforces it’s the Indian, not the arrow.
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    Isn’t it amazing how that works the guy that mentored me and shooting was a top 10 ISPC shooter and was well known at the range. He could basically take anybody’s gun and win at any given a moment practice and dedication.
     
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    The ACOG really stands out in terms of durability, clarity, and weight. Once it's zeroed, you don't have to mess with any dials, diopters, or focus adjustments, and you can rely on its simple BDC with just a few numbers to remember.

    On the other hand, LPVOs offer more precision, greater eye relief, a wider range of zoom options, and a variety of reticles to choose from. However, this comes at the cost of durability, weight, size, and added complexity.

    If you're looking to streamline your rifle setup and don't need anything between 1x and 3-4x magnification, then the ACOG with an RMR is the way to go. It's really that straightforward.
     
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    lastshot12 said:
    The ACOG really stands out in terms of durability, clarity, and weight. Once it's zeroed, you don't have to mess with any dials, diopters, or focus adjustments, and you can rely on its simple BDC with just a few numbers to remember.

    On the other hand, LPVOs offer more precision, greater eye relief, a wider range of zoom options, and a variety of reticles to choose from. However, this comes at the cost of durability, weight, size, and added complexity.

    If you're looking to streamline your rifle setup and don't need anything between 1x and 3-4x magnification, then the ACOG with an RMR is the way to go. It's really that straightforward.
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    I took it out today and zeroed it with some Barnes 55 gr TSX ammo that I’ll run it with for coyotes. 2940 fps average. Got it zeroed at 100, and took it to 200 to see if the reticle was on (max distance at this range) and had no issues smacking a 6” plate.

    I like this set up.
     
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    One of my favorite combo is TA33 + Piggyback RMR.
    It's extremely lightweight, the TA33 has extra eye relief (at the cost of lower FOV which the RMR solves) and it's perfect height for passive aiming with NODS.
    3x is more than enough for a truck SBR.
     
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    As much I want to like LPVO's, for most use cases of a ride along, general purpose carbine, ACOG's sort of just work. They eye relief is a bit short, but when you start to look at decent LPVO's you quickly start going up in weight and or price point.

    With that being said, If I was not worried about humping around a rifle, and was going to be shooting pest, I would probably lean towards a NX8 1-8. I think the one area where LPVO's are very interesting is having much better recical designs.
     
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