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To those who say lower cost guns aren't "accurate"..

Cheap guns are OK sometimes for a while. Savages are ok if you want to fiddle fuck with shit that should have been designed to work from the get go. How they don't cost half what next cheapest gun does I do not know. It is the highpoint bolt action rifle. But i care about what someone shoots about much as what they ate for dinner. Effects me zero. I do get board though. 🤣
 
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Looks like a shotgun primer is .240 inch. I’d be a lot more impressed if you hit a 1.2in target at 500 yards. .240 isn’t all that hard.
 
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Hennig said:
I knew this was a Savage owner before I even clicked the thread.

Savages are gay.
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Completely different arguments. Janky-ass savages are gay as shit -and- they can be accurate. Almost all of a firearms inherent accuracy comes from the quality of the barrel
 
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I gave up caring about what people think many years ago. What's interesting are the comments coming from those who think less of other equipment.

Saw that when I was drag racing, most often by those who didn't have a competitive car to begin with.

Saw that when playing in bar bands, the office worker bringing their uber dollar rig down to the jam session and getting their doors waxed by somebody with a rig that cost 1/10th of his.

Saw that in my decades of riding Harleys. All the mob paying outrageous dollars for "custom bikes" and they sat in the garage under a tarp most of the time.

The way I see it, a few of these members, the latte drinking, gucci wearing, cubicle dwellers, think that puffing out their chest about what a newcomer with a limited budget, needs to get started is not only brain dead stupid, but damages the sport to those asking the questions.

It's the way of the internet, the Walter Mitty complex.
 
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Kadams1563 said:
I found where you can store your savage.

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Savage is mentioned here quite a bit and never is accuracy the complaint. They will shoot and be accurate but everything else about them is crap.
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Careful, there used to be a member here that was quite good at “finding” guns in dumpsters
 
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Mcrider55 said:
I'm very definitely not "like most folks".

and I take pride in it.

BTW, YOU hit a shotgun primer in 1 shot and post your pix. Holes can be faked on paper in many ways. It happens in here.
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Where are your pics?



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Expensive gear in no way makes you a better shooter.
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Oh, noted. I'll tell JSOC next time I see them to ditch the Knights and just buy PSA 10s and save some money.



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I gave up caring about what people think many years ago. What's interesting are the comments coming from those who think less of other equipment.
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Well, you are still arguing on here, so it seems you do indeed care.
 
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Let me guess; you bench press 275 pounds, work concrete, and you have over 300 bow kills?
 
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Oh, and....

308 3 rounds at 100m.

I have pics, unlike you.

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I learned long ago to never ask a question you don't want an honest answer to. Women are really good at that one. "Does this dress make look fat?" Comes to mind.
Making a statement can sometimes apply also. Especially on here.

Unless the intent of this post was some kind of social experiment, I knew the outcome immediately upon first reading it.
 
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MK20 said:
Where are your pics?





Oh, noted. I'll tell JSOC next time I see them to ditch the Knights and just buy PSA 10s and save some money.





Well, you are still arguing on here, so it seems you do indeed care.
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1. I posted my pix.
2. Garand Thumb did a long video on trying to destroy a low dollar PSA. After thousands of rounds, it was still humming right along.
3. WTF does JSOC have to do with a low dollar rifle and newcomers to shooting? BTW, those who get the Knights, are the PRO's in the military now aren't they.
4. I'm here to learn about longer distance shooting with my .223's. It's not about trophies. It's about being a better shooter if/when SHTF. I like my new Savage, but my AR is my go to gun.

Now you tell me, for $1000 dollars for the gun itself, a novice who knows little to nothing about longer distance shooting, isn't a gunsmith, & can't/doesn't want to build their own gun, what do you recommend?
 
Mcrider55 said:
1. I posted my pix.
2. Garand Thumb did a long video on trying to destroy a low dollar PSA. After thousands of rounds, it was still humming right along.
3. WTF does JSOC have to do with a low dollar rifle and newcomers to shooting? BTW, those who get the Knights, are the PRO's in the military now aren't they.
4. I'm here to learn about longer distance shooting with my .223's. It's not about trophies. It's about being a better shooter if/when SHTF. I like my new Savage, but my AR is my go to gun.

Now you tell me, for $1000 dollars for the gun itself, a novice who knows little to nothing about longer distance shooting, isn't a gunsmith, & can't/doesn't want to build their own gun, what do you recommend?
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For you, I would recommend buying the largest dildo your 1000 will buy and stick it in your mouth.

I expect this will give you the greatest enjoyment out of your 1000 dollars.
 
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Mcrider55 said:
You pissed because their abilities with a Savage was better than yours?

The blowhards are those who think their stuff is better than what other have.

All they way up until the time the shit gets real and it goes from put up or shut up.
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I see you have the savage loving illness. dont worry some day you will grow up and buy a real gun and never look back.
 
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MK20 said:
For you, I would recommend buying the largest dildo your 1000 will buy and stick it in your mouth.

I expect this will give you the greatest enjoyment out of your 1000 dollars.
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I asked you a simple and direct question about an over the counter, off the shelf recommendation and you immediately went into a grand mal seizure of Tourettes syndrome.

Thank you for playing, you can return to your seat.
 
Mcrider55 said:
I joined this forum less than a month ago, seeking information & some advice about expanding my tactical gun skills to include longer distance precision shooting. Longest shots would probably be less than 500 yards.

I have a couple of decades of practicing tactical shooting skills behind me, all AR based.

To those who say a lower cost rifle isn't accurate, I say BULLSHIT.

Yesterday, my brother & I were shooting 100 yard targets. I normally shoot at poker chips with a contrasting yard dot in the center for contrast. Chips are 1.5" in diameter, yard dots are .75 diameter. Hitting the chip isn't difficult, hitting center of dot is.

He took an unspent 12 gauge shotgun shell he found laid it atop the 2 Inch foam archery target we use to staple targets to. The primer end pointed at me. He placed a red target dot over the primer so I could see it. The front of the shell was resting against a wood backstop people staple their targets to. My foam backstop rested against it..

1 shot, and I hit the shells primer, igniting the shell, the powder burns are evident. Examine the board and you can see exactly where the shell was laying when hit. The shotgun blast penetrated the plywood backing.

We found the remnant of the shell & the red paper dot..

Now you tell me again how you need a high dollar gun with yada yada yada aftermarket parts to be accurate.

I did this with my .223 Savage Axis II Precision and a Vortex Viper Venom scope I bought less that a month ago shooting my reload of a ArmorAlly 55gr fmg, 24 grains of Alliant 1200r with a CCI 450 primer and a range scavenged case. Twist on rifle is 1:7. Hardly considered an accurate load by many.

So when people ASK for opinions on how to get started, dump the bullshit about needing a gun way outside their budgets, and offer real advice. Don't do describe your "dream gun" you don't own, actually try to help them..

Some GREAT, and very accurate weapons are out there that sell for $400 and up. Ruger, Savage, Remington and others are great starter guns to learn accuracy skills with.

Listen to their questions and offer helpful suggestions, not the same bullshit of "just save up more money" so they can afford a gun you probably don't have yourself.

I may be in the minority on this forum, but for my style of shooting, accuracy is #1, and I think most feel the same. Your "sub MOA" is impressive, but far more when inside the bullseye of the target.
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You are mistaken in your persecution complex. Only those that don’t know, say that cheap rifles are not “accurate”. The reason most people choose custom actions is that they are generally smoother (and thus quicker to operate under time constraints) and they usually don’t break down in the middle of a match.

I’ve shot many very accurate inexpensive rifles and still own both a Savage .338 LM and an entry level AR that drives tacks. But that does not make them better than my custom rifles. Take your victim card and put it away while you’re here. Just enjoy the information that you can learn while you’re here. And yes, you can learn some things , even if you think you know it all already. 😉
 
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lash said:
You are mistaken in your persecution complex. Only those that don’t know say that cheap rifles are not “accurate”. The reason most people choose custom actions is that they are generally smoother (and thus quicker to operate under time constraints) and they usually don’t break down in the middle of a match.

I’ve shot many very accurate inexpensive rifles and still own both a Savage .338 LM and an entry level AR that drives tacks. But that does not make them better than my custom rifles. Take your victim card and put it away while you’re here. Just enjoy the information that you can learn while you’re here. And yes, you can learn somethings, even if you think you know it all already. 😉
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Your reading comprehension skills suck, as it does with many of the responses. I NEVER said that custom guns don't have their benefits.

No victim card here sparky. That's not who I am.

BTW, an awful lot to learn here, a lot of it surrounds who and what info they offer.

The cream rises to the top, the rest just sinks to the bottom.
 
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When I was 16, three of us were hiking through Kisatchie National Forest. I killed a crow at about 125yds with a S&W 39 and total abortion handload. The gun was maybe a 6" gun at 25yds with perfect ammo.

When I was about 18, two of us were coming out of the woods onto one of the pastures close to midnight. I saw a possum's eyes in the field about 70 yds ahead. We stopped and I took an standing offhand shot with my brother's FIL's Llama 45ACP and total abortion handload resulting in a head shot on the possum. That gun and ammo combo was maybe a 10" gun at 25yds.

Couple of years later, I killed a crow at about 150yds with a Ruger Single Six in a similar circumstance to the first one above. More accurate gun and ammo than the other two but still total luck.

These event's don't prove I had an accurate gun. Hell, they don't even mean I was a good shooter. Yes, we shot a TON, read a lot of Elmer Keith, we still had good eyes and we were ALWAYS packing guns in the woods or across pastures and fields. Even with all of that, the 3 examples above were 100% luck and have zero value in pretending to point to the guns being accurate. It was just unlucky for the critters and they were supposed to die that day. We just shot so much and were outdoors so much it was bound to happen. The fact that they were SO UNLIKELY is why I still remember them so vividly. They are actually laughable because they don't mean shit except good luck for me and bad luck for the target.

Savage rifles can shoot pretty well. They have 100 other problems that make it questionable as to whether the juice is worth the squeeze.

Your post is surely meant to troll this forum.
Otherwise we have to believe you actually think and communicate on a 1st grader level.
Not even a good 1st grader level.
More like an inner city school with hood rat level.
 
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Terry Cross said:
When I was 16, three of us were hiking through Kisatchie National Forest. I killed a crow at about 125yds with a S&W 39 and total abortion handload. The gun was maybe a 6" gun at 25yds with perfect ammo.

When I was about 18, two of us were coming out of the woods onto one of the pastures close to midnight. I saw a possum's eyes in the field about 70 yds ahead. We stopped and I took an standing offhand shot with my brother's FIL's Llama 45ACP and total abortion handload resulting in a head shot on the possum. That gun and ammo combo was maybe a 10" gun at 25yds.

Couple of years later, I killed a crow at about 150yds with a Ruger Single Six in a similar circumstance to the first one above. More accurate gun and ammo than the other two but still total luck.

These event's don't prove I had an accurate gun. Hell, they don't even mean I was a good shooter. Yes, we shot a TON, read a lot of Elmer Keith, we still had good eyes and we were ALWAYS packing guns in the woods or across pastures and fields. Even with all of that, the 3 examples above were 100% luck and have zero value in pretending to point to the guns being accurate. It was just unlucky for the critters and they were supposed to die that day. We just shot so much and were outdoors so much it was bound to happen. The fact that they were SO UNLIKELY is why I still remember them so vividly. They are actually laughable because they don't mean shit except good luck for me and bad luck for the target.

Savage rifles can shoot pretty well. They have 100 other problems that make it questionable as to whether the juice is worth the squeeze.

Your post is surely meant to troll this forum.
Otherwise we have to believe you actually think and communicate on a 1st grader level.
Not even a good 1st grader level.
More like an inner city school with hood rat level.
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Differences of opinion sure scare the shit outta some in here.

If you think those kills you described were all luck and had nothing to do with skill, then you are fooling yourself.
 
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Mcrider55 said:
Your reading comprehension skills suck, as it does with many of the responses. I NEVER said that custom guns don't have their benefits.

No victim card here sparky. That's not who I am.

BTW, an awful lot to learn here, a lot of it surrounds who and what info they offer.

The cream rises to the top, the rest just sinks to the bottom.
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So, you are just trolling then. I figured so and will ignore you until you stop.

Cheerio, pip pip and all that rot.
 
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Mcrider55 said:
Differences of opinion sure scare the shit outta some in here.

If you think those kills you described were all luck and had nothing to do with skill, then you are fooling yourself.
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If you think his post was about skill and not a direct response to your “accuracy” comment, then your reading skills suck worse than you think mine do. You are a laughable little troll 🧌, I must say. 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Terry Cross said:
Savage rifles can shoot pretty well. They have 100 other problems that make it questionable as to whether the juice is worth the squeeze.
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Mcrider55 said:
Differences of opinion sure scare the shit outta some in here.

If you think those kills you described were all luck and had nothing to do with skill, then you are fooling yourself.
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I cut up Terry’s post to the bedrock idea that everyone is actually talking about. This is about all anyone can do in this argument. After this, it’s just a bunch of shit talk and laughter
 
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Sniperstud said:
OP, if you came here to learn, the first step is to shut your f@#&n mouth. You'll learn a lot more with your ears and your mind open. On the other hand, if you came here to teach, as seems to be the case, I think HMFIC has got that covered, thanks. Bye.
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Do the letters KMA mean anything to you?
 
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Most Savages aren't threaded at the muzzle. This may be what he needs to be all conquering:
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You're just another person talking about the gun yet knows NOTHING about it.

It does have a threaded barrel, that's how my suppressor is attached.

First rule should be that BEFORE you post, know WTF you are talking about.


The Savage AXIS II Precision has been selected as the 2021 Shooting Illustrated Rifle of the Year. The AXIS II offers a tremendous value for marksmen looking for reliable long-range accuracy.

“Golden Bullseye Awards acknowledge the finest products available in the shooting sports,” the announcement reads. “The winners are selected by a seven-member committee consisting of editors, graphic designers and veteran NRA Publications staff, representing more than a century of collective experience in the shooting and hunting industry.”
 
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It takes a bullet 15 minutes to get to the target? No wonder I’m missing so much, I need to wait longer to see impacts
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Kind of off topic here but this took me back to my first shot ever at 600 yards and it made me laugh.

I was at my gun club with the trusty 700 LTR chambered in the Lord's caliber and I was wearing out the 350 yard gong. Farthest I'd ever shot at that point.

We had a little break in the shooting and another member went down to 600 and put up a personal gong of his own. When he got back and the range was cleared hot he said "go ahead and shoot it"
I politely declined and made up some excuse about it being new and not wanting to be the first one to mark up his shiny new target.

Yeah that was bs. I didn't have a clue where to hold to make a bullet connect at 600. After talking with the guy about my rifle and ammo combo he says "dial up 15 minutes"

So I said, 15 what ? I'm thinking to myself, where the F does time come into this ?

At the time that rifle had an old nikon buckmaster 6-18x40 with a sfp mildot reticle and 1/8 moa turrets. Yeah.

I held either the last, or second to last dot in the reticle and by dumb luck, almost hit the target. With a slight hold for wind I was on with my second shot. And I was beside myself lol.

Fast forward a few years and I find, the Hide. Fast forward a few more and I still have that rifle. Well, the action anyway.

My apologies for the derail. That was kind of long winded. Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled programming. And yeah, savages suck.
 
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Mcrider55 said:
I never brought up competition. It's about new people looking to get into longer range shooting and the amount of money they have available and actually getting them started into this type of shooting at the ranges they have available.

Not everybody has a infinite amount they can spend nor do they have the longer yardage ranges to shoot at.

The premise of my post is that a lower dollar rifle setup can be VERY accurate at ranges up to 400 to 500 yards. You know as well as I do that various environmental facts such as temp, wind, humidity have an effect and being able to shoot in those conditions at 100 yards or more will get you going down that learning curve.

You have to hit what you are aiming at when shooting 50 or 100 before you even begin to think about stretching it out to longer distances.

Getting that confidence and keeping it is as important to shooting as the quality of the gun you have, probably more so.
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Don't think I've every heard that cheaper rifles like Savages aren't accurate. In fact that is seldom disputed. It's the smoothness, extraction, etc, that sets the nicer actions apart, not the accuracy. My original savage I bought for learning long range is still just as accurate as my custom out to 1000 yards, but you can't run the bolt fast or it won't feed properly. I haven't had ejection issues but that is a common problem. 50 yards is for my 22LR, hell I'm shooting that over 300 yards these days.
 
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FredHammer said:
When I was 12yrs old I shot a mouse off the garage roof with a Daisy Powerline 880. Pretty much have known everything is to know about accuracy guns since.
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And your father was wondering why the new garage roof was leaking, POS roofers.
 
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Gunfighter14e2 said:
I don't care who you are, you can not,... buy,... into long range. I've seen it over & over, FNG's show up with all Gucci this or Gucci that and come in below guys shooting what you would call a POS.
Ability always trumps Gucci, and trying to make people believe they can just buy in, is telling.
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You are taking a very impartial view of this notion. Shooting long range successfully is a result of a good system...a system made up, in part, by an able rifle and a competent shooter. At the end of the day, the competent shooter will only ever shoot as well as the rifle allows them to.

That said, the point of cheap vs expensive rifle vs shooter ability is that when you are buying a custom or better made rifle it is likely to shoot better. Sure, cheap rifles can shoot well....the reality is that most don't at least not without a lot of load development work which majority of people don't do. If you're a great shooter but you have a rifle that doesn't shoot anything better than 1 moa...well then that is your limit. If you buy a custom, more expensive, whatever rifle that is capable of say 3/8 moa...well then no matter what your skill level is that is your new limit and you can get better to match. No matter how much you practice your skill will never make a bargain bin rifle shoot better than what it's able to shoot.
 
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Mcrider55 said:
1. I posted my pix.
2. Garand Thumb did a long video on trying to destroy a low dollar PSA. After thousands of rounds, it was still humming right along.
3. WTF does JSOC have to do with a low dollar rifle and newcomers to shooting? BTW, those who get the Knights, are the PRO's in the military now aren't they.
4. I'm here to learn about longer distance shooting with my .223's. It's not about trophies. It's about being a better shooter if/when SHTF. I like my new Savage, but my AR is my go to gun.

Now you tell me, for $1000 dollars for the gun itself, a novice who knows little to nothing about longer distance shooting, isn't a gunsmith, & can't/doesn't want to build their own gun, what do you recommend?
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If you're here to learn about shooting longer distances, why are you making a big deal about shooting at 100 yards? Maybe you should be in the rimfire section...

You make assertions about others ability to read but you can't even decide your own intent of posting. Are you shit talking about your amazing Savage and its 100 yards benchrest like abilities or are you here to learn about long range shooting?

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Most understand in any type of shooting its more Indian than arrow but the arrow has to be capable. However on here starting about 2004-05 FNG's are given the impression you can buy in and that is total B/S. I've seem many bring top of the line sticks and finish last, as well as many quit in the middle of a match/comp pack up & leave, do to being so frustrated. You can't buy in is what I stated.
I get most try to justify their expenditures and income choice, in one way or the other, but to imply xxx gunsmith work or xyz action/barrel/trigger or whatever will make you a winner is a total disservice to people starting out.
 
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