A while ago the city council (worthless as tits on a boar hog) instituted some type of menial fine and wrist slap for the "urban campers". Since then the problem has only gotten worse.
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Demokrats & Rinos have ruined the Gallatin Valley- Leftism destroys everything it touches.
There is such a shortage of housing in Bozeman a lot of the urban campers are employed in the service sector. Some are ski or fish bums and the tent people are trash that need removed. It’s not called Boz’angeles for no reason
The billionaires have pushed the Millionaires off the mountain. They have gobbled up homes in the valley and it all trickles down from there. Median sales price in February for Gallatin county was $895,000. Median price to square foot is $391
This does not include Big Sky as that is in Madison county
This does not include Big Sky as that is in Madison countyIt is. I am in the construction business and used to work nationwide. I never thought the influx would hit MT as soon as it did. Astounding. I get emails from my kids school in Spanish. My neighbor is actually from Mexico City and is a good guy. Working here legally and went through the entire process to do it the right way. Not a lot of love loss on his end on the illegals. Although truthfully most of the illegals are from Guatemala or some other South American shithole, Mexico is just on the way.
Having lived here my whole life I never realized how lucky I was to be shielded from all the nationwide bullshit problems that were going on. The last 5 years we have become just as susceptible and are dealing with illegal aliens and a fairly substantial homeless crisis. It's as real as it is depressing.
A buddy up near Kalispell recently had his roof redone. He was shocked when the entire crew were Latinos, undoubtedly illegals. Another friend is having a house built in the same area, and again the entire crew is fucking illegals. These people need to be deported, let's pray Trump wins and does as he has promised. And Montana needs to make it a felony offense to hire these illegals. Let them go to Washington, Oregon, California or one of the other leftist shit holes.
I think they are fined $25 after three warnings. Not supposed to be within 100 of a residence. Blah blah blah. Not enforced.
Probably not "illegals" that can be deported. More likely asylum applicants awaiting a hearing at some point six years in the future, with work permits, which makes them legals, not illegals.
The federal law on asylum and Congress's refusal to change it have landed us in a bind.
There is no provision in federal law for deporting asylum applicants until after their hearing, and, as I pointed out, the backlog is about six years right now. Congress does nothing. Voters are not demanding any action by Congress. Indeed, the voters most concerned about the situation are fruitlessly focusing on the presidential election in November, thinking that will fix things. It won't. Only congressional action will fix this issue.
Just an observation from my morning shopping trip.
Traveled north on Highway 93 while heading to the John Deere dealer in Missoula. Every U-Haul lot was full of cube trucks, small enclosed trailers, cargo vans and anything else that could be used to transport personal items. Construction appeared to be high density housing (apartments) and small commercial business buildings. A 50 mile long boom town. Missoula is overflowing with the homeless. City council says tax the wealthy and build homeless shelters. Yes, the Montana culture has changed.
Starting to resemble a cage full of mice. Government drops in enough food for 50% of the mice and the rest have to feed off of the weakest mice.
An abundance of high prices and stupidity.
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Traveled north on Highway 93 while heading to the John Deere dealer in Missoula. Every U-Haul lot was full of cube trucks, small enclosed trailers, cargo vans and anything else that could be used to transport personal items. Construction appeared to be high density housing (apartments) and small commercial business buildings. A 50 mile long boom town. Missoula is overflowing with the homeless. City council says tax the wealthy and build homeless shelters. Yes, the Montana culture has changed.
Starting to resemble a cage full of mice. Government drops in enough food for 50% of the mice and the rest have to feed off of the weakest mice.
An abundance of high prices and stupidity.
JMHO
Dakota Adams, son of Oath Keepers founder, runs as a democrat in MT State House District 1
MISSOULA, Mont. - Dakota Adams is the oldest son of Stewart Rhodes, the founder of Oath Keepers. After a troubling childhood, Adams has decided to run as a Democrat for
His twitter page starts with "He/Him." 
It also has a cover at the top which is a portrait of John Brown, who would never have voted for a Democrat, as such politicians belonged to the party that supported slavery. Irony.
It also has a cover at the top which is a portrait of John Brown, who would never have voted for a Democrat, as such politicians belonged to the party that supported slavery. Irony.
And the Biteme administration has declared EVERY border crosser to be an asylum seeker.
The Biden administration has no choice in the matter. Asylum is federal law, and the courts have reined in Biden twice now on the issue (and Trump once, as well). We are in a world of hurt if Congress does not change the asylum law.
Court allows Biden rule limiting asylum at the border to be kept in place for now • Nebraska Examiner
A federal appeals court on Thursday allowed the Biden administration to keep in place a two-year rule restricting asylum at the U.S. border.
nebraskaexaminer.com VanDyke is a Trump appointee to the 9th Circuit, and even he pointed out that the Biden rule was "not meaningfully different" from the Trump rule.
Now the case is paused while the Biden administration and the plaintiffs try to settle the case. It looks like the Biden administration is trying to avoid taking heat from Democrats by defending the rule all the way to the Supreme Court.
9th Circuit Judge Chastises DOJ for ‘Abrupt About-Face’ in Case Challenging Asylum Policy | National Law Journal
Lawrence VanDyke calls government's request to hold case in abeyance wholly political.
www.law.com Exactly. It's the Biden Invasion for Census Replacement and Future Voter Program. BICRFVP
Trump will have to declare a state of emergency for a year or two until we can purge every Illegal Alien, Visa Overstayer, and 'Asylee'. We'll also offer free one way transportation outta the USA to all Dems & Rinos. We should also empty our jails and prisons at the same time- into the deep sea.
Property taxes skyrocket statewide, but not for Montana's governor's properties
An MTN analysis shows taxes on a home owned by Gov. Greg Gianforte in Helena decreased while his neighbors saw tax hikes.
www.kpax.com How normal is a $12,000 property tax bill? I mean, it looks like her property is $2 million. That is not normal property even in Montana in 2024.Property taxes skyrocket statewide, but not for Montana's governor's properties
An MTN analysis shows taxes on a home owned by Gov. Greg Gianforte in Helena decreased while his neighbors saw tax hikes.
What is the median value? Hard to find, since most stories either list average value or sales - and properties that sell may not represent median home values statewide. So I am guessing more like $450k? What is the tax on a more median property like that?
So that is 10 acres next to the country club with 1/4 mile of East Gallatin river frontage. State values the 10 acres at $1.5MM. Sounds about right with a 4,120 square foot home. Gallatin has the highest home prices and some of the highest tax rates in the State. This is a “Trophy” property not sure what she expects. All of Gallatin and most of Madison counties are unaffordable to actual Montanans. Good news for her she can sell the property for 4-5MM easily
A lot of "talk" last fall. But, nothing came of it so the property taxes went up in a State with a bulging surplus fund. Go figure.
How to spend a $2.5 billion surplus? Lawmakers have no shortage of ideas.
Montana's US Senators are almost always split. They get nowhere.
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Daines, Tester split on vote against federal joint employer rule
The U.S. Senate passed a resolution on Wednesday that would repeal a federal rule that expands which businesses have to be involved with certain labor negotiations.
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New Montana Highway Patrol colonel says illegal drugs, crime challenge to troopers
The new man in charge of the Montana Highway Patrol, Colonel Kurt Sager, talks about some of the challenges that troopers face.
www.kpax.com They can't just return it in the form of checks to the taxpayers?
Not without the action of the "Legislature".
They sat on the money.
Taxes indexed up.
A state run by "Out of State" elected officials.
MISSOULA — The Missoula Economic Partnership (MEP) recently released a report called ‘The Economic Impact of Homelessness in Missoula’ in which data is used to put a price tag on the issue.
The report asserts that homelessness in Missoula has remained relatively stable in the city since 2019, but will continue to be a problem unless several systemic investments are made.
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The report asserts that homelessness in Missoula has remained relatively stable in the city since 2019, but will continue to be a problem unless several systemic investments are made.
New report sheds light on cost of homelessness in Missoula
The Missoula Economic Partnership is attempting to put a price tag on the many costs of homelessness to the community.
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Governor:
Before building a number of successful technology companies and becoming a Montana politician, Greg Gianforte grew up as an all-American boy in the liberal-leaning outer suburbs of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
US Representative:
Rosendale was born in Baltimore, Maryland. Rosendale studied at Chesapeake College. Rosendale served in the Montana House of Representatives.
In 2020, he was elected to the United States House of Representatives, replacing Greg Gianforte.
Candidate for US Senate:
Before Tim Sheehy was the frontrunner in Montana’s 2024 Republican primary for U.S. Senate, the ex-Navy SEAL, aerial firefighter, millionaire business owner, part-time rancher and occasional political donor was a 2004 graduate of a Minneapolis-St. Paul area private high school who grew up in a lake house outside Minnesota’s Twin Cities.
Steven David Daines is an American politician and former corporate executive
Born: 1962 (age 61 years), Van Nuys, Los Angeles, CA
Brad Johnson is an American politician from the U.S. state of Montana.
Born: 1951 (age 73 years), Lake Forest, IL
The list is long.
Similar to other recreational areas of the world. When people want to reside in a recreational region, soon it becomes just another growing metro area that loses it's appeal. Similar to "white flight" from the old industrial cities. No one wants to live next to a steel mill, aluminum plant or refinery.
The "Montana culture" is rapidly changing with the influx of big money from all over the world. Probably started with Charles Schwab and the development of the Stock Farm Club and similar developments.
The Future of Ted Turner's Land
There have been many questions over the years about billionaire Ted Turner’s land purchases. Why is he buying it? What will he do with it? Why are his fences so tall? But these days the biggest question may be what will happen to his land after he dies?It sounds insensitive to talk about, right...
www.americanfarmlandowner.com It's difficult enough to elect and maintain conservatives & conserva-tarians in Montana, so I try to only complain about the demaKancerous party's horrible effects on Montanans' rights, peace, prosperity.
Billions of dollars sent to foreign countries as America crumbles.
MISSOULA — MISSOULA-Montana is in a forest health crisis. A crisis that has been declared on both the state and federal levels.
And this is because of prior years of mismanagement and fire mitigation that has allowed large amounts of overgrowth, which in turn acts as fuel for wildfires.
And with a complex system to manage the forest, the decline of the lumber industry has further complicated the situation.
“We are dealing with a forest health and wildfire crisis in the state of Montana. You know, for a number of different reasons, overtime our forests have become overgrown, more diseased, more fire prone, and we’re all familiar with the smoke we’re all breathing all summer from these catastrophic wildfires.”
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MISSOULA — MISSOULA-Montana is in a forest health crisis. A crisis that has been declared on both the state and federal levels.
And this is because of prior years of mismanagement and fire mitigation that has allowed large amounts of overgrowth, which in turn acts as fuel for wildfires.
And with a complex system to manage the forest, the decline of the lumber industry has further complicated the situation.
“We are dealing with a forest health and wildfire crisis in the state of Montana. You know, for a number of different reasons, overtime our forests have become overgrown, more diseased, more fire prone, and we’re all familiar with the smoke we’re all breathing all summer from these catastrophic wildfires.”
Montana is in a forest health crisis
Due to years of improper management, almost all of Montana's forests are suffering from overgrowth and disease, increasing the risk for catastrophic wildfires.
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One example:
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One example:
Woman recalls scary incident at Bozeman Town Pump, law enforcement investigating
A Bozeman woman who made a routine stop at the Town Pump had an unexpected encounter that left her feeling scared and unsafe.
www.kpax.com Same thing happened at this same gas station a couple of months ago. A bunch of Indians ( red dot) or Pakistanis in two vans first sent kids saying they needed gas money. Then the women folk came asking. Meanwhile the two males were buyin a shit ton of food and beverages but seemed to be casing the joint. Got the fam out of there fast and had the concealed ready to go. This was a sleepy little ag town. WTF?Conditions are worsening by the day. Too many Montanans are living in the past and are in no way prepared for the changes that are coming about in their home state.
One example:
Woman recalls scary incident at Bozeman Town Pump, law enforcement investigating
A Bozeman woman who made a routine stop at the Town Pump had an unexpected encounter that left her feeling scared and unsafe.
Biden ramped up the refugee programs and made a point to dump the "least likely people to assimilate"- into places like small town Montana and Idaho. I'm not sure if Cheyenne WY got any refugees yet. Governors have no authority to reject the refugees. It's a clusterfrack.
The Dems don't have to cheat as hard if they flip the voting in an area through forced demographic change.
It's all part of the plan
It's not like Somalis from the equator ASKED to be dumped in Michigan because they wanted to see snow.
Asylum ONLY applies to actual asylum seekers. Biden applied it illegally to EVERY border crosser.
Go read some federal cases in which the courts have taken the Biden administration to task, and then come back and write something from a position of knowledge.
You need to know what federal law says first. Then you need to know what the executive branch policies actually are and their interaction with the court system (both the prior administration and this administration).
Most of what you are getting on social media is party propaganda.
Americans by and large do not have a clue what is going on with federal law on this issue. They are just angry and believe what they read on social media.
You wrote, "Biden applied it illegally to EVERY border crosser." It would be more accurate to say that the courts have found that both Trump and Biden were illegally restricting it.
Trump tried to restrict asylum applicants only to those who applied at entry points and to those who apply in third party nations. The courts struck down the Trump rule as violating the asylum statute. This resulted in a flood across the border as covid restrictions were lifted and jobs were growing and the word was out that the asylum rule applied even if you were caught inside the US after illegally crossing the border. That flood has resulted in a six year backlog of cases (that is, you are here legally for six years with a work permit waiting on a hearing to determine your asylum application approval or denial).
Biden tried essentially the same rule and then added a phone app called the Biden "Pathways Rule." Opponents call it the Biden Asylum Ban. Basically, it is the Trump rule, but with an alternative phone app, with the Biden administration arguing it should be able to deport anybody caught in the USA unless they applied at a port of entry, and, hey, here is an alternative, a phone app, so this is totally different from the Trump administration rule.
The courts disagreed, finding it was the same. In federal court, it was struck down immediately as violating the asylum statute's plain text.
On appeal, Trump appointee VanDyke called it basically the Trump rule. Here is what Judge VanDyke wrote about the Biden rule in his dissent from the decision to vacate the order staying the rule:
https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datast...032-order-staying-district-court-decision.pdf
And there is a link to the case opinion if you would like to read it.
Biden has been attacked from the left for his stances on immigration, which I find ironic given the attacks on the right. Neither side seems to have even a basic grasp of the facts or the reality of what is happening.
The Biden administration in that case has taken a new tact of entering into settlement negotiations with the plaintiffs with an agreement to update the court every 60 days on progress. The same two judges on the panel agreed to stay the case proceedings on appeal, with Trump appointee VanDyke writing another angry dissent basically accusing them all of partisan bias, seeking to keep this case out of the headlines with the election upcoming. Democrats would have another reason to be angry with Biden over his executive policies f they knew by and large that he was likely to be more successful than Trump in the courts with reigning in asylum applications (which is what looked likely to happen as the two Democrat appointees appeared likely to let him get away with what they would not let Trump do).
So, you claim Biden took meaningfully different actions. A Trump appointee federal circuit court of appeals judge is trying to instruct you that, in his words, the Biden administration's approach "is not meaningfully different from the prior administration's rules."
The fix is in Congress, but the Republicans do not want this fixed before the election, because they hope that it will stir folks up to vote for Trump. Basically, Americans think the White House occupant can fix this by himself. They do not realize the problem is this federal statute that must be changed. Because of voter ignorance, this is a winning issue for the presidential election. The downside, of course, is that this crisis continues unabated for April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and probably into 2025, when, maybe, hopefully, Congress will finally act to change the law.
Hopefully the character of the country will not be completely changed between now and 2025, like many of the nations in Europe have experienced.
I hate to say it but I believe it was a blessing not to have found a house there.
I wish you all the best though.
You have a rough road ahead.
I wish you all the best though.
You have a rough road ahead.
I agree 100%. Montata, for several reasons, became the "Bull's Eye". Some say the show "Yellowstone". Some say the deterioration of the mega cities. Some say being "cooped up" during the pandemic. Other's say it is a good opportunity to buy a position for a career politician in Congress. When a state has one Dem US Congressman and one Repub US Congressman that always vote opposite... That state is a non-player and Congress moves on without them.
The amazing thing is some "Well Educated" people sell out their home in other states, hire a moving company to bring their stuff here and put it in storage. Storage units are going up by the 100's. Reality sets in when they have to RENT an average house and pay $3000 / month for it. Then they complain and say "I was only paying $1,200 / month mortgage for my old home and I can't afford a new mortgage at 8%."
I got here before the "party".... Wise advice has always been "Don't stay too long at the party".
Other than Alaska, there just are not that many places to which I can move that still have grizzlies.
Seriously? They have grizzlies in Washington?
Soon there will be a lot more…..
If you build it.... "They" will come.
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“It has been incredibly stressful for the community. My biggest concern coming into this has been the financial implications. What I mentioned at the beginning of the group — one of my, incentives and interests for this group was financial, because with the high property taxes that went up. And then you with all the assessed values that went up, you can't sell your house if you have such a terrible problem of the houseless of encampments coming into your private property," Vasecka said. "So then you can't sell your house. And then if you are a business owner, and then you hit that problem [that's] twofold because then customers will come into your business if that problem is spewing out and then it's just incredibly stressful for our community."
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“It has been incredibly stressful for the community. My biggest concern coming into this has been the financial implications. What I mentioned at the beginning of the group — one of my, incentives and interests for this group was financial, because with the high property taxes that went up. And then you with all the assessed values that went up, you can't sell your house if you have such a terrible problem of the houseless of encampments coming into your private property," Vasecka said. "So then you can't sell your house. And then if you are a business owner, and then you hit that problem [that's] twofold because then customers will come into your business if that problem is spewing out and then it's just incredibly stressful for our community."
Missoula Urban Camping Working Group meets again
The topic of urban camping remains a main focus for community members and local officials in Missoula.
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The Dennis and Phyllis Washington Foundation has donated $1 million to Mountain Home Montana which is working to open a new facility in Missoula.
www.kpax.com There are ton's of complaints about a Californian selling their house for $1 million and moving to Montana.
I wish everyone showing up here had $1million in their pocket. There would be fewer problems.
Montana has become a magnet for the low life, dredges of society.
I guess the Soros money is building more homeless encampments and the Government is busing more here.
Proportionally more here than other states because it is not being reported like NYC.
It is showing on statistics.
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I wish everyone showing up here had $1million in their pocket. There would be fewer problems.
Montana has become a magnet for the low life, dredges of society.
I guess the Soros money is building more homeless encampments and the Government is busing more here.
Proportionally more here than other states because it is not being reported like NYC.
It is showing on statistics.
Ratings: Montana ‘worst’ for drunk driving fatalities
Data from MDT show Yellowstone, Big Horn, Flathead and Missoula counties are the worst for percentage of roadway fatalities that involve alcohol in Montana.
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