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The 3rd Reich font. Looks like some white supremacist or nazi tattoo font.
I think we all know who SOLGW is. But why that choice of FONT. Why would someone choose the same font used by Nazi Germany and white supremacists? Coincidence and someome thinks it looks cool? Or intentional?
I’m certainly no SOGLW fan boi. Not that I don’t like them, just don’t own anything from them yet. Maybe I’m uneducated and naive, but never, not once have I ever looked at their font and thought…man, that screams Nazi font or white supremacy. Do those groups have the copyright on font?
With SOLGW I think America, patriotism, liberty.
Nazis used Fraktul or some such thing, which was a variation of the Teutonic font. Long before the nazis were a thing.
German tradition or something. Maybe solgw has German roots?
Either way this font is still different. More like modern tattoo culture if anything.
German tradition or something. Maybe solgw has German roots?
Either way this font is still different. More like modern tattoo culture if anything.
Why would you assume someones political beleifs from the font they use?
If someone tells you they are a vegetarian, do you assume they want to get rid of the jews?
Never made an assumption. Hence why I asked and allowed for both sides.
Why are you defensive?
I don't know what you're getting at, but there are some military units that are struggling with some of the symbology they've been using over the last 20 years.I guess the Navy is also Nazis, yeah?
Are they struggling? Or are some miserable cunts with nothing better to do creating problems where there aren't any?
Boy this thread got retarded fast.
If you want to have a political discussion take it to the bear pit. thats not the purpose of this thread
reductio ad Hitlerum
There's a bunch of legacy team symbols that use iron crosses, desert palms, and what not. 99.9999% of the time, someone just thought it looked cool and was slightly ignorant about it or just blase. But we are dealing with the fall out of it a little bit, so maybe that's why that stuff sticks out to me right now.
X2 holy F word
So....6Max....how these 100+grainers gettin on?
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi".
I haven't played with the numbers for a minute, but I'm getting a strong suspicion that the 80-90ish gr might be the sweet spot before the point of diminishing returns for the "high" BC 6mm Max pills for doing work to surpass 77gr SPR work with similar or shorter length barrels.
Yeah I've had that thought about the 90s as well.
I've also had the thought how big is the difference between 90 vs 103 and 103 vs 108
For an all around bullet I could probably live with an 85gr around 2730 out of a 14.5"
I haven't been following along too closely, but what do we think is the sweet spot in bullet weight where a 6MAX has enough of an advantage (in BC and MV) to matter over a 77gr TMK in say, a 14.5"-18" AR? Will this stomp a 77gr 5.56 in 10.3-12.5" barrels?
Dead animals and match wins are cool, but is the juice really worth the squeeze for this round in standard-ish AR configurations?
Seems like 6.5G, 6ARC, and 22ARC do, but they need a different bolt and mags...
100%...I just don't know.
The appeal of that performance bump without having to step into a large frame gasser...and WITHOUT a ton of hassle is extremely seductive, and will continue to be.
At the end of the day, my brain knows sticking with .223/5.56 is the smarter, more logical play....
Since you really just need a barrel and a couple of DuraMags, and SOLGW will replace your barrel for free if and when you shoot it out -- seems like a decently low-cost way to try out something new in an AR15. Ammo is $1.50/rd right now, but even if you have a minimal handloading setup you should be able to make ammo pretty easily on your own. BC Precision and SOLGW are making ammo and a third (unnamed) ammo supplier is teeing up to make the round as well. The short term goals is $1/rd.
Shoot 5.56 for training and range days, pop on a 6MAX upper for whatever else. <---- Best thing about an AR15.
And don’t forget the best thing…a non weakened bolt face!
Perhaps the owner finds 6MAX to be *clears throat*, “The Final Solution” to optimizing the AR15 platform?
The math over the 77 grain is compelling out of a 12.5" barrel and I've strongly considered converting my P415 to 6Max. I was kind of set on the idea of the 103gr, heavies out of the 12.5" barrel which would clearly outperform 77 grain 5.56 pills. But then 300 blackout supers, say 110 grain, out of a 9" barrel, comes awfully close and my 8" isn't far behind while being practically half the weight and a good big shorter in length. Doesn't seem as appealing then. Energy on target is within 100 ft. lbs. I guess I could build a lightweight 12.5" rifle but that would sort of defeat the purpose as the P415 is a battle tank. Decisions and tradeoffs.
Took the words right out of my mouth
I took all the data from BC Precision Ballistics site and plugged it into an internal ballistics model that will show mv change with barrel length, charge weight, and bullet weight changes. (It has been within 14fps of real-world for me over the years with Grendel, Creedmoor, .223 Rem/5.56, .308, etc.)
I took the 75gr V-MAX load data (24” barrel), and ran 12.5” and 10.5” for 6mm MAX:
6mm MAX
24" fastest load (CFE223): 3170fps (mv ranges from 2985-3170fps depending on powder used)
14.5”: 2912fps
12.5”: 2836fps (this would be 20” 5.56 velocity with 77gr)
10.5”: 2732fps
75gr V-MAX has a .330 G1 BC
14.5"
300yds 2123fps 751ft-lbs 1.0 drop / 0.9 drift
500yds 1677fps 468ft-lbs 3.0 / 1.6
12.5"
300yds 2060fps 707ft-lbs 1.1 mils / 0.9
500yds 1623fps 439ft-lbs 3.2 mils 1.7 drift
10.5"
300yds 1973fps 648ft-lbs 1.2 / 1.0
500yds 1551fps 401ft-lbs 3.5 / 1.8
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5.56 77gr TMK
18: 2768fps
14.5”: 2650fps
18” 5.56
300yds 2149fps 789ft-lbs 1.1 / 0.7
500yds 1785fps 545ft-lbs 3.0 / 1.3
14.5” 5.56 77gr TMK
300yds 2047fps 716ft-lbs 1.2 / 0.8
500yds 1695fps 491ft-lbs 3.3 / 1.4
Main conclusions:
Shooting similar bullet weights from 6mm MAX vs 5.56, namely in the 75-77gr weight classes, shows very minimal downrange advantage due to the higher BCs of the 75-77gr class in .224” vs the lower BCs of the 6mm 75gr. The 5.56 actually has better wind drift from the same barrel lengths. The advantage to 6 MAX would be armor-defeat in the closer range due to higher mv.
Where the 6 MAX has its main advantages vs 5.56 is being able to shoot the heavier 87-103gr projectiles, and being able to shoot the really light bullets at close range super-fast from short barrels. A 10.5” 6 MAX will spit a 55gr out at 3087fps naked, and faster with suppressor boost. You will want a suppressor on the end for that of course.
12.5” 6 MAX will spit the 87gr V-MAX at ~2524fps, which is what it takes to get near the .224” 77gr TMK BC.
