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Cheap and unsafe EV sets back the image of Chinese cars in Europe by a decade

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“Basic safety equipment is completely missing, which becomes particularly evident in the crash test of an offset frontal collision at 64 km/h (40 mph). During this test, the driver’s head and chest hit the steering wheel hard, which in a real world crash would lead to very serious injuries. The passenger would suffer injuries to their knees and legs because of inadequate structural integrities in the dashboard. There are no driver or passenger front airbags nor side airbags in the seats, while the non-existent seat belt tensioners also had a negative impact.”

The pictures after the crash speak for themselves: the steering wheel has moved far into the cabin and the passenger cell has buckled in such a way that the driver’s door can no longer be opened. After the ADAC crash test, the fire brigade has to lend a hand to rescue occupants. In addition, the Suda does not have any protective devices with which the rescue workers can switch off the EV’s high-voltage system, which means rescue workers are at risk of electric shock. Both the hard to open doors and the risk of electric shock result in longer response times for emergency teams to rescue the occupants after a crash.

Even in braking and evasive tests, the Suda has no chance compared to other modern cars. From about 70 km/h (44 mph) the vehicle skidded out of control during the evasive test and could no longer be kept in check by the driver because it lacks an ESP system. Most modern cars with this technology will pass the test with over 90 km/h (56 mph) without breaking a sweat. The brake pedal lacks feedback and the very long braking distance of 42 meters on average from 100 km/h to full stop also does not exactly contribute to its safety record.
 
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Cheap and unsafe EV sets back the image of Chinese cars in Europe by a decade

Automotive Sales Data and Statistics
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“Basic safety equipment is completely missing, which becomes particularly evident in the crash test of an offset frontal collision at 64 km/h (40 mph). During this test, the driver’s head and chest hit the steering wheel hard, which in a real world crash would lead to very serious injuries. The passenger would suffer injuries to their knees and legs because of inadequate structural integrities in the dashboard. There are no driver or passenger front airbags nor side airbags in the seats, while the non-existent seat belt tensioners also had a negative impact.”

The pictures after the crash speak for themselves: the steering wheel has moved far into the cabin and the passenger cell has buckled in such a way that the driver’s door can no longer be opened. After the ADAC crash test, the fire brigade has to lend a hand to rescue occupants. In addition, the Suda does not have any protective devices with which the rescue workers can switch off the EV’s high-voltage system, which means rescue workers are at risk of electric shock. Both the hard to open doors and the risk of electric shock result in longer response times for emergency teams to rescue the occupants after a crash.

Even in braking and evasive tests, the Suda has no chance compared to other modern cars. From about 70 km/h (44 mph) the vehicle skidded out of control during the evasive test and could no longer be kept in check by the driver because it lacks an ESP system. Most modern cars with this technology will pass the test with over 90 km/h (56 mph) without breaking a sweat. The brake pedal lacks feedback and the very long braking distance of 42 meters on average from 100 km/h to full stop also does not exactly contribute to its safety record.
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The American consumer does not care. they want "cheap"... Proven time and time again over the past 40 years. They have no "cash in hand" so financing with no money down will sell these cars. I'm sure we will see the "Buy Now Pay Later" programs also. Probably get one at Walmart in a few years with the BNPL plan.
 
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The American consumer does not care. they want "cheap"... Proven time and time again over the past 40 years. They have no "cash in hand" so financing with no money down will sell these cars. I'm sure we will see the "Buy Now Pay Later" programs also. Probably get one at Walmart in a few years with the BNPL plan.
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People are using buy now, pay later for necessities. You can use BNPL to door dash Burger King. You have said it before that credit/borrowing is keeping the wheels on the economy right now, and you're 100% right.
 
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People are using buy now, pay later for necessities. You can use BNPL to door dash Burger King. You have said it before that credit/borrowing is keeping the wheels on the economy right now, and you're 100% right.
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You will understand this statement.

I hate it when I am right.

To those that don't know me, in the world of Heavy construction we always had to accept the consequences if something went wrong... That meant severe injury, death and a trip to the gate with a pink slip saying "FIRED". We automatically visualized the worst possible scenario and compensated for it. No, that did not mean we consulted the "Safety Man". It meant we took care of it before hand.
Today is "Before Hand". Take care of it.
 
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Not a fan of any EVs including Ford. But I have noticed that all new car lots are overflowing with inventory. Between extremely high prices and high interest rates, I suspect that all car sales are down not just EVs.
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
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Cheap and unsafe EV sets back the image of Chinese cars in Europe by a decade

Automotive Sales Data and Statistics
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“Basic safety equipment is completely missing, which becomes particularly evident in the crash test of an offset frontal collision at 64 km/h (40 mph). During this test, the driver’s head and chest hit the steering wheel hard, which in a real world crash would lead to very serious injuries. The passenger would suffer injuries to their knees and legs because of inadequate structural integrities in the dashboard. There are no driver or passenger front airbags nor side airbags in the seats, while the non-existent seat belt tensioners also had a negative impact.”

The pictures after the crash speak for themselves: the steering wheel has moved far into the cabin and the passenger cell has buckled in such a way that the driver’s door can no longer be opened. After the ADAC crash test, the fire brigade has to lend a hand to rescue occupants. In addition, the Suda does not have any protective devices with which the rescue workers can switch off the EV’s high-voltage system, which means rescue workers are at risk of electric shock. Both the hard to open doors and the risk of electric shock result in longer response times for emergency teams to rescue the occupants after a crash.

Even in braking and evasive tests, the Suda has no chance compared to other modern cars. From about 70 km/h (44 mph) the vehicle skidded out of control during the evasive test and could no longer be kept in check by the driver because it lacks an ESP system. Most modern cars with this technology will pass the test with over 90 km/h (56 mph) without breaking a sweat. The brake pedal lacks feedback and the very long braking distance of 42 meters on average from 100 km/h to full stop also does not exactly contribute to its safety record.
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None of this is particularly shocking (pun intended) considering that the CCP has exactly *zero* incentive (not to mention zero history) to care who dies.
 
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Still working the "bug's" out, will deal with it when the problem pops up.

www.foxbusiness.com

Tesla driver using autopilot mode charged with vehicular homicide in death of motorcyclist

A motorcyclist in Washington state is dead after a Tesla vehicle on autopilot crashed into him last week. The driver is charged with vehicular homicide.
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These articles are pointless clickbait lol. Also, “ lurched forward as it accelerated and collided with the motorcycle in front of him “ sounds like the owner was enjoying launch control in an inappropriate environment.
 
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These articles are pointless clickbait lol. Also, “ lurched forward as it accelerated and collided with the motorcycle in front of him “ sounds like the owner was enjoying launch control in an inappropriate environment.
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When you were still in diapers Audi had a similar issue.

1987: The 1982–1987 Audi 5000's sales in the United States fell after recalls linked to sudden unintended acceleration. There were 700 accidents and 6 deaths.

Audi told owners to just not park their car in a garage... LOL
 
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As UPS's chief corporate affairs and sustainability officer, Lane is working to trim the emissions of the logistics firm, which is responsible for delivering 22 million packages every day across more than 200 countries and territories.
The reality of the market. At our investor conference, we showed one of our beautiful electric tractor-trailers. We're ready to buy. Do you know how many we've been able to take delivery on? Ten. I have thousands of vehicles on the road. If I waited for enough electric vehicles to be produced, along with the infrastructure to support them, I'd be waiting a very long time. That's the reality.

www.bbc.com

UPS's road to carbon neutrality

Laura Lane, UPS's chief corporate affairs and sustainability officer, enters the BBC's Executive Lounge to discuss the logistics company's future.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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As UPS's chief corporate affairs and sustainability officer, Lane is working to trim the emissions of the logistics firm, which is responsible for delivering 22 million packages every day across more than 200 countries and territories.
The reality of the market. At our investor conference, we showed one of our beautiful electric tractor-trailers. We're ready to buy. Do you know how many we've been able to take delivery on? Ten. I have thousands of vehicles on the road. If I waited for enough electric vehicles to be produced, along with the infrastructure to support them, I'd be waiting a very long time. That's the reality.

www.bbc.com

UPS's road to carbon neutrality

Laura Lane, UPS's chief corporate affairs and sustainability officer, enters the BBC's Executive Lounge to discuss the logistics company's future.
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Smells like opportunity.
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
So is it all fixed now?
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I'm starting to see a correlation between a Tesla vehicle and the common sense of the driver. Read somewhere they are among some of the worst drivers on the American highway. Maybe that's why they go for the self drivers. They figure a self driver will be safer than them actually doing the driving........ Take a cab.
 
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We all have wishes like that. I held Costco (COST) for several years and finally sold it in 2009 for around $60. Today it's at $729.
Life
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What keeps me up at night is Bitcoin. Five grand 14 years ago would be what now?

$1,059,166,666.67, that’s what.

I can’t stand it.
 
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What keeps me up at night is Bitcoin. Five grand 14 years ago would be what now?

$1,059,166,666.67, that’s what.

I can’t stand it.
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Yeah; and I had $30k cash from an insurance settlement and considered investing it instead of replacing what had been stolen from my business... I did the safe thing and replaced my stuff... But Bitcoin was $.50/coin at the time.

Yes; I still hate myself for that.
 
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The Tesla chief arrived in China at a Gulfstream registered to SpaceX at 2 p.m. local time, the report said.


Musk reportedly told the premier that Tesla was willing to deepen its cooperation with China. Musk also met with other high-ranking officials, including Ren Hongbin, head of the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade, the report said.


The Tesla CEO is also expected to meet with officials to discuss the rollout of Tesla’s driver-assistance system, Bloomberg reported, citing a person familiar with the matter.

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'Watershed Moment,' Says Tesla Analyst As Elon Musk Makes Surprise China Visit To Reportedly Discuss FSD Rollout And Data Transfer Overseas

Tesla's Elon Musk landed in China and met with key officials, including the second-in-command, Premier Li Qiang.
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Pharmseller said:
What keeps me up at night is Bitcoin. Five grand 14 years ago would be what now?

$1,059,166,666.67, that’s what.

I can’t stand it.
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someguy12341 said:
Yeah; and I had $30k cash from an insurance settlement and considered investing it instead of replacing what had been stolen from my business... I did the safe thing and replaced my stuff... But Bitcoin was $.50/coin at the time.

Yes; I still hate myself for that.
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If only you had a crystal ball back then.

But you didn't.

I sure wish investing was looking at historical charts and picking the low spot 14 years ago and then just being rich 14 years later.

I lost a lot of money around the turn of the century thinking I was doing the same thing in real time. It was great when there were triple digit annual returns - I thought I was smart. Overall, I lost money, however.

Now I just buy winners and losers altogether and get market returns buying index funds with low expense ratios, like VOO and VTSAX. And over time I have been winning.

From time to time it sure is tempting to look back historically and wonder, if I had bought nothing but Apple starting in the year . . . but that is a bullshit way of thinking. You can't ever know the future or when you are at a historic low. You would have been as likely to lose your money on Bitcoin as become a billionaire, or more likely to lose it, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. And that is exactly what almost all active investors do, that is, lose out to simply sticking money in low expense ratio, passive index funds.

It is fun to fantasize about "what if," though. Just don't try to make that reality in the future. It's a loser's game.

www.whitecoatinvestor.com

Why Active Management in Investing Doesn't Work

There is overwhelming evidence showing that active management does not work. So when interviewing potential advisers, here is the first question you need to ask.
www.whitecoatinvestor.com www.whitecoatinvestor.com
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
If only you had a crystal ball back then.

But you didn't.

I sure wish investing was looking at historical charts and picking the low spot 14 years ago and then just being rich 14 years later.

I lost a lot of money around the turn of the century thinking I was doing the same thing in real time. It was great when there were triple digit annual returns - I thought I was smart. Overall, I lost money, however.

Now I just buy winners and losers altogether and get market returns buying index funds with low expense ratios, like VOO and VTSAX. And over time I have been winning.

From time to time it sure is tempting to look back historically and wonder, if I had bought nothing but Apple starting in the year . . . but that is a bullshit way of thinking. You can't ever know the future or when you are at a historic low. You would have been as likely to lose your money on Bitcoin as become a billionaire, or more likely to lose it, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. And that is exactly what almost all active investors do, that is, lose out to simply sticking money in low expense ratio, passive index funds.

It is fun to fantasize about "what if," though. Just don't try to make that reality in the future. It's a loser's game.

www.whitecoatinvestor.com

Why Active Management in Investing Doesn't Work

There is overwhelming evidence showing that active management does not work. So when interviewing potential advisers, here is the first question you need to ask.
www.whitecoatinvestor.com www.whitecoatinvestor.com
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Quit peeing on my fantasy.

Thank you.




P
 
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Malum Prohibitum said:
If only you had a crystal ball back then.

But you didn't.

I sure wish investing was looking at historical charts and picking the low spot 14 years ago and then just being rich 14 years later.

I lost a lot of money around the turn of the century thinking I was doing the same thing in real time. It was great when there were triple digit annual returns - I thought I was smart. Overall, I lost money, however.

Now I just buy winners and losers altogether and get market returns buying index funds with low expense ratios, like VOO and VTSAX. And over time I have been winning.

From time to time it sure is tempting to look back historically and wonder, if I had bought nothing but Apple starting in the year . . . but that is a bullshit way of thinking. You can't ever know the future or when you are at a historic low. You would have been as likely to lose your money on Bitcoin as become a billionaire, or more likely to lose it, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. And that is exactly what almost all active investors do, that is, lose out to simply sticking money in low expense ratio, passive index funds.

It is fun to fantasize about "what if," though. Just don't try to make that reality in the future. It's a loser's game.

www.whitecoatinvestor.com

Why Active Management in Investing Doesn't Work

There is overwhelming evidence showing that active management does not work. So when interviewing potential advisers, here is the first question you need to ask.
www.whitecoatinvestor.com www.whitecoatinvestor.com
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Nancy polosi beats them all. Just buy before passing laws.
 
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Quick departure from Tesla and the stock market.
Who do you think the self driving Tesla is marketed to? Your wealthy professional friend with a tendency towards look what I've got and look what it can do?? Or is it a transportation option for those that can't drive or simply trying to multi task on the way to their destination?
Most likely all the above as Musk lives by the "watch this, hold my beer" way of thinking. Guy in the video states he still has to administer driver imput when in traffic so what's the point? The technology is unreal and it truly is mind blowing, but at the same time it's scary as hell.
Guess I'm showing my age, but I truly enjoy driving, building and working on cars.....give me a bad ass V8 ANYTHING and back it with a Tremec 6 speed!! My daily commute is about 12 minutes each way and live in a valley that an EV really makes sense but I have ZERO interest in owning one. I'll choose my LS swapped CJ7 Jeep any day of the week.
 
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People can joke around about it but, "The biggest oil production in American history" is because of wells drilled 10 years ago.
With very little well drilling going on now our oil will be running out in about 10 years. They are forcing America to go electric.
 
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Quick departure from Tesla and the stock market.
Who do you think the self driving Tesla is marketed to? Your wealthy professional friend with a tendency towards look what I've got and look what it can do?? Or is it a transportation option for those that can't drive or simply trying to multi task on the way to their destination?
Most likely all the above as Musk lives by the "watch this, hold my beer" way of thinking. Guy in the video states he still has to administer driver imput when in traffic so what's the point? The technology is unreal and it truly is mind blowing, but at the same time it's scary as hell.
Guess I'm showing my age, but I truly enjoy driving, building and working on cars.....give me a bad ass V8 ANYTHING and back it with a Tremec 6 speed!! My daily commute is about 12 minutes each way and live in a valley that an EV really makes sense but I have ZERO interest in owning one. I'll choose my LS swapped CJ7 Jeep any day of the week.
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A Tesla is a "trophy". When I use the word everyone, in this case it's specifically the group that desires to keep up with the Jones.
Everyone wants a trophy house at the Hampton's.
Everyone wants a world class yacht.
Everyone wants a trophy wife.
It's about having something other's desire but can't afford.
It's what's they can fit in their Trophy Case.
A psychological lollypop.
 
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Quick departure from Tesla and the stock market.
Who do you think the self driving Tesla is marketed to? Your wealthy professional friend with a tendency towards look what I've got and look what it can do?? Or is it a transportation option for those that can't drive or simply trying to multi task on the way to their destination?
Most likely all the above as Musk lives by the "watch this, hold my beer" way of thinking. Guy in the video states he still has to administer driver imput when in traffic so what's the point? The technology is unreal and it truly is mind blowing, but at the same time it's scary as hell.
Guess I'm showing my age, but I truly enjoy driving, building and working on cars.....give me a bad ass V8 ANYTHING and back it with a Tremec 6 speed!! My daily commute is about 12 minutes each way and live in a valley that an EV really makes sense but I have ZERO interest in owning one. I'll choose my LS swapped CJ7 Jeep any day of the week.
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It will be marketed as competition to Uber and Lyft plus be sold as a SaaS to other corporations and consumers. Right now, the FSD that comes for free is all that I need so I am not in the market for the $8K version. However, if my wife was to get a Tesla, we would likely get FSD as she hates driving.
 
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