Podunk Montana we vacation in billing for the last 4 years and surrounding parts like red lodge, bozeman and dip into Cody Wyoming and Sheridan. Where about you talking about?
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I live in NW Montana, flathead valley. There's a Lotta gun nuts around here, even a large local militai crew, but they all packing 400$ 80% lower builds in 65grendel. AI is lil too rich for most these folks. If they gonna spend that kinda money, they go with proof or Defiance as they are local in valley companies.
Nothing wrong with either of those two. Lots of good gun related companies up in that area like Hornady,weatherby, huskamaw,proof research, Falkor Defence and I am sure I am missing some. Not a weatherby fan myself because they just slap their name on imported rifles. But I have proof barrels and even a .308 on my ai is a proof and they all hammer. I couldn’t justify $200 more over the proof to buy the bartlein barrel for my ai.
As long as you never think stuff you buy for a hobby is an “investment”, you’ll be happy.
You want an investment? Speculate in real estate or in the stock or bond markets etc.
You want an investment? Speculate in real estate or in the stock or bond markets etc.
I agree with this but...
Man, I've got a lot of old and limited run guns that have climbed in value quite a bit over the last decade.
Initially most weren't purchased as an investment...however, I plan on financing a lot of the kids' college with their sales.
Certainly buying as an investment takes a lot of the fun out of it though.
What are the draw backs, is it just the trigger issues you have had recently or have you had more bad experiences?
Totally get it. Some camera gear I own became an accidental investment over the years. I think that’s the rub…when buying gear it’s mainly a miss and rarely a hit if you’re trying to make money on it. Especially new gear.
We’re all going to die very soon in the grand scheme of things, so just enjoy the thing and don’t whinge about losing money.
Great question...it isn't the simple trigger issue/fix that I had earlier. That was as much on me as anything else for not checking to see if anything loosened up.
If you go to page 100, and start on post 4,964 and go down to the bottom of the page you'll see where my factory 6.5CM barrel shot okay out of the box, but had/has a significant copper fouling issue - as in after shot #4 I stuck a patch halfway down it and broke a cleaning rod getting it out. I'm at 58 shots on that barrel now, and it just sits in the corner...waiting on me to start messing with it again. I had it looked at, and I'll leave it at that due to the rash of expulsions on this site lately. Let's just say that it still holds copper. I emailed and also called and left a message with AINA. I never hear back.
In fairness though, I have a factory 6CM barrel too, and it hammers with 108 ELD-M and H4350 across probably the widest charge range of any barrel I've owned.
The #1 gripe is essentially being ghosted by the company itself. For two years there were requests by consumers and little hints by the company at things like magnum bolts. Plus items like the gen 1-2 cheek and LOP...it seems like the company is good at making upgrades...but you have to buy the new model (and take a bath on the old) to get them... screw retrofitting. Add in part availability and support for legacy models and it just doesn't appeal enough *to me* anymore to buy another. Not that I don't enjoy my rifle, because I do. Like I said earlier, I wanted one for 20 years.
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Conversely, a week ago I found online an like new custom build (decade + old) on an old Prague, OK - built Surgeon 1086 action. I know the gunsmith who built it, and he used to work at Surgeon back in the day (I really wanted a Surgeon back then too). A 30 minute phone call later, and he's not only going to spin me up more barrels, but is also going to be my source for the vice and action wrench so I can have prefits done by him. He seemed just as excited about the project as I am, and actually gave me all of the original build info. He's also the guy who was happy to measure and spin up a new barrel for my AT-X, and now has everything to do prefits for them too.
When I spend several months' worth of disposable income on a 'want' and not a need, I appreciate a little customer service. You're not required to give a shit about me, but I'm not required to make more purchases either.
This guy gets it
Love my AI but the $1100+ just for a bolt is a little steep
I can get a new bolt and barrel for my Impact for that.
I’ll keep my AT a 308 and use my Impact for the 6mm/223 role and rock on
@diggler1833 My factory 65cm barrel was no star either, moa to a bit less with factory match for 10 shots, a custom barrel in same cartridge shot groups half the size with same ammo. I picked up a wintac 6br pipe, it shoots well, as does the custom 6gt barrel I had spun, it's consistently 1/3 moa on paper at 400y, almost no load dev. That's made me more tolarable about the few short comings with the rifle, or AI in general.
Most high end bolt gun manufacturers in the states, have the vast majority of their sales to the public, they know good customer service and parts availability is key to success in such a niche industry. A bad reputation spreads very quickly.
The public consumer of AI rifles is likely less than 10% of their sales. The majority is gov contracts and private security forces around the world. That's who they're going to cater to and make happy. The defense budgets allow them to buy without remorse, resale value, repairs, parts aren't much concern, as long as failure rates are within expectations. Perhaps the militaries get priority in extra bolts or components, hence the reason with have such low availability on the public side.
Maybe I'm way off base, but money always talks.
Most high end bolt gun manufacturers in the states, have the vast majority of their sales to the public, they know good customer service and parts availability is key to success in such a niche industry. A bad reputation spreads very quickly.
The public consumer of AI rifles is likely less than 10% of their sales. The majority is gov contracts and private security forces around the world. That's who they're going to cater to and make happy. The defense budgets allow them to buy without remorse, resale value, repairs, parts aren't much concern, as long as failure rates are within expectations. Perhaps the militaries get priority in extra bolts or components, hence the reason with have such low availability on the public side.
Maybe I'm way off base, but money always talks.
Understandable.
I don't think there will ever be a world in which AI is a real competitor to the custom action companies when it comes to options, CS and ongoing upgrades.
I guess where AI have run into problems is trying to appeal to the competition market but not offering the same level of CS as people are used to. Perhaps they didn't anticipate the difference in the customers between those wanting a military rifle vs a purpose built custom rifle.
Anyone know how to adjust the ATX hinge? Mine does not fully lock. I can push the buttstock sideways and the hinge unlocks itself.
Purchased a second mag for my AT-X in 6 Needsmoor. Just received it late this afternoon. Mag shipped with the rifle feeds like butter. New mag is different (follower). So, did I order the wrong mag, or, is this a newer/older variant? MHS is closed, so I’m asking you guys.
From the catalog this is the new 6.5 creedmoor magazine.
29896BL MAGAZINE 10 SHOT 6.5 CR AT-X RIFLE
Mag on left is new follow, mag on right is previous gen ax mag, same follow as aw mags. I use them in my creed just fine. May need tune the lips just a shade.
Good trigger-puller. That was a foggy match.
Thank you, certainly was a fun challenge but I hope things are clearer next time.
One can hope , the weather waits to turn bad until a match
Found the issue. The only way to make the hinge fully lock is by forcing the buttstock upwards to make the hinge flush.
Anyone here mate an AT-X and impact 737 together? Looking to see what double stack mags I can run, If the AX/AT-X 6677 mags fit ?
If my rifle won't stay cocked can someone tell me which trigger screw to adjust? I'm in the middle of a match with a broken rifle so any information would be appreciated.
It slam fired twice now it won't cock on closing. Luckily I had a Tikka in the truck.
It slam fired twice now it won't cock on closing. Luckily I had a Tikka in the truck.
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I couldn't get my fuzion(very close to an AW cut impact) to run 100% reliable with aw mags. It's flawless with ARC aics mags. They're discontinued unfortunately. Someone needs produce a longer mag latch for the aics atx chassis for the guys not running 3lug actions to run aw mags. I'm sure accurate or mdt mags will work too, I just don't use them
I mean it’s an AW cut action and I removed the mag stop to run AW. So I feel like it should but that’s a pricey mag to “try” if it doesn’t work . On top of that AI has different marked AW mags, ex: AT/AW and A /ATX so even to try it don’t know which one
Tried them all, I have at, aw, the push feed needs more case head presentation. My Cous De grace runs em perfectly. Magazine height needs pushed up in the atx chassis. Brazing a bit of metal below the mag latch and file fit would work no doubt. Prob why ai named it the atx aics chassis. Try opening feed lips a bit to have case head more presentable, may work for you! Didn't for me.
Yikes, can't help you but did you get it figured out?
$4250 is like, the cheapest recent AI!!! If I were you I’d be dancing
I mean, just wait 30yrs and profit like an AW!
I mean, by then all of the AW, AT,
& AX shooters will have died from all of the million catastrophic failures that AI’s are well known for.
It’ll be a seller’s market bruh!!!
I don't see the AT-X gaining value in the used market, not like the AW.
The AW is iconic, largely due to its war time presence. The AT-X doesn't have that.
That said, $4250 is a great price, I would be happy. A rifle is a tool, not a collectors item. Use it and be happy, it's still a great rifle.
Sadly, European based companies (yes, AI has a NA division, but it's still largely a European company) are not known for their CS.
Surgeon's are great, enjoy the new project! Sounds like it's going to be a great rifle.
I don't think AI has any interest in competing with the custom rifle market.
They primarily build rifles for .gov use, worldwide. And they are happy to sell civi's those same rifles.
What makes an AI an AI is that every part of the rifle is designed and built under one roof. Every part is designed to work specifically with the rifle. This is what's led to AI's legacy as a "bullet proof" hard use rifle.
It's the opposite of a "custom" rifle, where you can mix and match components to build your desired rifle that fits you, with the components of your preference. That's the antithesis of Accuracy International.
While I want to agree with you (hate the AT-X’s looks), over longer periods of time weird stuff happens.
I never would’ve thought the 1970’s curvy Vettes and ESPECIALLY the 1980’s boring-ass Vettes would come back. Specifically the 1984/86 models.
I think they’re edging up in price as people are priced out of the more desirable models. Once people mod what used to be an “ugly” car, tastes morph and people like them.
Not saying an AT-X will ever equal an AW’s price, but I wouldn’t be surprised if in 20-30yrs from now they fetch stupid prices. Aesthetic sensibilities are definitely not absolute.
I remember when I learned that and a bunch of stuff fell into place haha.
I think the trigger screw came loose like happened to someone else.
Take your rifle apart. Check the two bolts/screws that hold the trigger into the action...my guess is that they're loose AF. Apply Loctite and re-torq to spec.
This happened to me recently.
Thanks for that. I had thought you were talking about the pull weight screws at first.
They were not loose AF, I was hoping they would be so I would know that's the problem. Sprayed it out with brake cleaner and it's marginally better.
Here it is cocking 2/5 times, which is better than not cocking at all:
So weird symptom, if I open the bolt quickly there is a brief pause before I hear a quiet click from the trigger, as if something is sticking and not resetting. Running the bolt aggressively makes it worse.
I have never adjusted the trigger at all.
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All triggers can fail, the AI comp trigger has a higher rate than their non comp trigger. Unfortunately shit happens. If all hardware is tight, you've flushed with lighter fluid, and still f'd up, contact AINA and send it in for repairs.
No as it was at the reccomended 1.5 pounds and I didn't want to mess with it.
Well, that sucks man.
The mounting screws were what caused mine. I did however flush mine out and set it at 1lb first / 13oz second stage. I was having a hard time not going through the wall the second stage was so light on mine (that's just because my fingers are less sensitive than most).
Might not hurt to give that second stage screw a full rotation inward to see if that helps before going through the pain of sending it in.
Thanks. I really appreciate the feedback. I will take it apart again when I get some free time.
When the rifle does cock bumping or jarring it does not cause it to fire which I had heard was a symptom of too light a trigger.
Why? Mlok doesn’t allow for thicker profile barrels with all attachments.
That's coming with the Gen 2 AT-XC, due to be released in 2025. MSRP increase of only $1,500 too. No retrofitting and have to buy the new one, but you do get a limited edition decal.
Gosh, sadly I think I prefer angled dicks on my forend!
I’m more interested in the NF that has what looks like larger versions of the locking 4-16 turret.
And hate to say it but I’m not a fan of the mlok on that rifle. Another vote for mini dicks here…
I hate to say but the erected keyslot made the ATX almost incompatible with aftermarket keymod accessories. And I ended up with a bunch out dated keymod accessories collecting dusts.
I would send it in. Contact Mile high shooting they are a distributor they may be able to help you out with that issue and expedite a return to the factory. I wouldn’t go messing with it as you may make it worse.
It wasn’t keymod to begin with. I don’t understand the infatuation of wanting to be able to bolt all kinds of “accessories” on.
I don’t understand that ether. Other than a vertical grip on my AR’s I’ve never attached anything to my mlok/keymod or keyslot rails other than pic rails/Arca rails or weight. Which are available in all the platforms
Mlok by design takes up space inside the forend. So either you run a larger forend or smaller barrel diameter to accommodate the screws inside.
Keyslot is flush with the inside of the forend. So it allows you to keep it slimmer with a larger barrel accommodation. It’s also without a doubt the toughest of the three.
I actually wish others chassis makers would adapt the keyslot. Then cheaper accessories like rails and what not would be an option to people as companies like Magpul would start making them
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