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Kahles vz ZCO
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I'm a doofus who pays for my optics and crap. Most people have been impressed with my ZCO. I'm half blind but I really like it. That being said, I only do local (state) matches when Luepold/NF/Vortex are the most popular. At the price point, I picked for features more so than "glass", I really liked the MPACT3 reticle. (and still do, although I may drop the funnel to see trace...eh live and learn)
I bitch about a lot of my gear.
ZCO isn't one i bitch about. at all.
Data point of 1 from the peanut gallery.
I have 0 time on any others besides a Vortex Razor Gen2.
I bitch about a lot of my gear.
ZCO isn't one i bitch about. at all.
Data point of 1 from the peanut gallery.
I have 0 time on any others besides a Vortex Razor Gen2.
You and I have the same experiences. I bitch about my gear, I am half blind as well and have a tremor as well. Why I do this, I don’t know. However, one thing I have never complained about is my ZCO.
Data point 1 from the last row in the balcony behind the only post in the building.
Data point 1 from the last row in the balcony behind the only post in the building.
I'm in!We need to start a club of half blind shooters
Oh, and I will say this. Unfortunately, there are people and companies that purposely put out misinformation. Some have even been caught red-handed by Frank on this site.
Just because someone is popular for one reason or another, doesn’t mean that they’re giving out good information.
Trust but verify, in my opinion, educated customers are good customers.
Just because someone is popular for one reason or another, doesn’t mean that they’re giving out good information.
Trust but verify, in my opinion, educated customers are good customers.
Plus I've had people mad at our company and ZCO that we don't provide Vortex like .gov discounts.
Do people still not realize that not all products have the same program or margins??? WTF
Do people still not realize that not all products have the same program or margins??? WTF
Data point 2, from the row behind you; I have multiple ZCO's. Never had a problem with any of them, never needed to use CS.
I'll leave it at that, lest I be accused of being a fanboi.
(Although, the cheap ass distributor that I bought them from (cough, cough) wouldn't even throw in a ZCO hat
............)
Just so everyone knows, these non-public ZCO failures on big magnum that I hear about are not from @wooferocau. I tagged him because he had some ZCO issues that I can’t remember if he’s ever explicitly detailed. I don’t know exactly what they were, or I’ve forgotten lol. He’s just one of the few who’s put his name on a report. He’s had lots of issues with certain S&B models too, but other S&B’s seem to work fine.
But let’s set aside Mr. Woof…I probably shouldn’t have even brought up his name as some try to discredit ALL ZCO problem reports by alluding to his history on the matter.
Anyway, like @kthomas has heard, there are a few people quietly talking. But the fallout has been apparently and largely mitigated due to:
- ZCO’s excellent customer service (replacement, quick turnaround, etc)
- few people can afford these scopes who then generate necessarily few reports
- and the fact that quite a few owner dudes have a complicated interpersonal arrangement with equipment manufacturers (not just ZCO).
As someone wholly outside that space, I’m just passing info along so people realize what they see might be artificially rose-colored. This
phenomenon occurs across all brands but especially in low-volume luxury niche ones. Also happens with gunsmiths! Like when you find out that the most-excellent ‘smith who is talked up ad nauseam on the forums turns out to be a total putz.
I've run both. Currently have the ZCO 527 NLE 15 mil. The ZCO has the edge in regards to glass and turret feel. What stood out to me about the Kahles was parallax. Besides being on top and easy to reach, was the that I rarely ever needed to adjust it. It always seemed in focus regardless of magnification.
There was awhile there when you could get a used Kahles for a bargain price. That would make it very easy for me to buy the Kahles over the ZCO. The DLR and the 10 mil turret with left side windage could sway me away from the ZCO. I have no complaints about the ZCO, I just like the setup of the DLR.
It would be hard to go wrong with either. Decide what matters most to you, and pick the one that fits those needs.
Side note: If you're running this on a .22lr, I'd stay w/ the 15 mil turrets. There's a lot of elevation adjustments needed for .22lr and I feel the 15 mil fits that use case better than the 10 mil.
There was awhile there when you could get a used Kahles for a bargain price. That would make it very easy for me to buy the Kahles over the ZCO. The DLR and the 10 mil turret with left side windage could sway me away from the ZCO. I have no complaints about the ZCO, I just like the setup of the DLR.
It would be hard to go wrong with either. Decide what matters most to you, and pick the one that fits those needs.
Side note: If you're running this on a .22lr, I'd stay w/ the 15 mil turrets. There's a lot of elevation adjustments needed for .22lr and I feel the 15 mil fits that use case better than the 10 mil.
Yep ...had lots of issues with the NEW series from S&B ( i had some of the very first samples released of the 6-36 and 10-60,s) .. BUT !!! The support from S&B in Germany has been beyond reproach !!!
I have been dealing directly with them and couldn't of ask for better support!!
This..... is in the end what counts ... particularly with optics..
Just so everyone knows, these non-public ZCO failures on big magnum that I hear about are not from @wooferocau. I tagged him because he had some ZCO issues that I can’t remember if he’s ever explicitly detailed. I don’t know exactly what they were, or I’ve forgotten lol. He’s just one of the few who’s put his name on a report. He’s had lots of issues with certain S&B models too, but other S&B’s seem to work fine.
But let’s set aside Mr. Woof…I probably shouldn’t have even brought up his name as some try to discredit ALL ZCO problem reports by alluding to his history on the matter.
Anyway, like @kthomas has heard, there are a few people quietly talking. But the fallout has been apparently and largely mitigated due to:
As in, dudes don’t want to publicly complain as that might impact their close relationship with the manufacturer or rep in the future. What if they complain publicly and the scope fails again? Will they be taken care of in the same manner?
- ZCO’s excellent customer service (replacement, quick turnaround, etc)
- few people can afford these scopes who then generate necessarily few reports
- and the fact that quite a few owner dudes have a complicated interpersonal arrangement with equipment manufacturers (not just ZCO).
As someone wholly outside that space, I’m just passing info along so people realize what they see might be artificially rose-colored. This
Also happens with gunsmiths! Like when you find out that the most-excellent ‘smith who is talked up ad nauseam on the forums turns out to be a total putz.
Yeah I know of another very vocal person on this matter who is now gone, he also threatened legal action out of nowhere when we didn't even sell him the scope. So screw that noise...
Here's what I recommend, if they don't want to post it publicly than maybe it should not be posted publicly by someone else. Unfortunately, there are many people who have no morals in this industry and have a hidden or not so hidden agenda. We can go round and round all day on who said what and it really does not matter much. But there is a reason that manufacturers chose not to engage on the hide due to complaints that may or may not be their fault. @Lowlight and this community does not benefit from speculation from some anonymous source and we lose as a community when manufacturers decide it's too much of a headache to be here. The hide is great to share information and knowledge with some debauchery in the Bear Pit. But let's not be an echo chamber on information that might not even be good information.
Let's be adults and try to have a better signal to noise ratio.
Richard
As promised, here are some more links.
Despite these issues, I’d prob still choose ZCO over Kahles due to their apparently superior customer service. Doubly so due to Kahles/Swaro’s lawfare about their FOV patent #FovGate. (Swaro owns Kahles)
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As promised, here are some more links.
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So what is your motivation with all this? I spoke to or have been involved with many of these personally. You think what's posted on the forum is the whole story? I have call logs and PM's that fill in more information Dude give it a rest...
Some of those people are not even on the forum anymore.
Not anonymous,
Richard
916-628-3490
If you truly have a concern then call ZCO and Jeff himself will answer
Unbelievable
Maybe he wants ZCO to leave the forum just like the other manufacturers... I have sold and handled thousands of ZCO's since 2019, I track potential issues and look for trends. Not one off stuff, if there was a consistent problem than I'd discuss it with Jeff on our weekly calls to help me get through these backorders.
Do you really think I'd put my name and reputation on a product with a consistent problem? I don't need that type of headache and have dropped products and manufacturers with consistent QC or CS problems.
ZCO SuperFans and USO Haters are different sides of the same extremist coin.
If something works for someone, so be it.
Optics judgments as an exercise in religious conversion fascinates me.
-Stan
I'm with you Bud. This is fucking ridiculous. All over again. What is this, the third or fourth go around ?
Sorry my friend, but in referencing “non-public” criticism, you are passing on gossip IMOJust so everyone knows, these non-public ZCO failures on big magnum that I hear about are not from @wooferocau. I tagged him because he had some ZCO issues that I can’t remember if he’s ever explicitly detailed. I don’t know exactly what they were, or I’ve forgotten lol. He’s just one of the few who’s put his name on a report. He’s had lots of issues with certain S&B models too, but other S&B’s seem to work fine.
But let’s set aside Mr. Woof…I probably shouldn’t have even brought up his name as some try to discredit ALL ZCO problem reports by alluding to his history on the matter.
Anyway, like @kthomas has heard, there are a few people quietly talking. But the fallout has been apparently and largely mitigated due to:
As in, dudes don’t want to publicly complain as that might impact their close relationship with the manufacturer or rep in the future. What if they complain publicly and the scope fails again? Will they be taken care of in the same manner?
- ZCO’s excellent customer service (replacement, quick turnaround, etc)
- few people can afford these scopes who then generate necessarily few reports
- and the fact that quite a few owner dudes have a complicated interpersonal arrangement with equipment manufacturers (not just ZCO).
As someone wholly outside that space, I’m just passing info along so people realize what they see might be artificially rose-colored. This
Also happens with gunsmiths! Like when you find out that the most-excellent ‘smith who is talked up ad nauseam on the forums turns out to be a total putz.
I don't think anyone here wants ZCO to leave the forum. I know I certainly don't.
Anyways, this argument has gotten incredibly pedantic. I'm voluntarily deleting my previous posts in this thread given how ridiculously petulant this as all become.
I'm out.
Anyways, this argument has gotten incredibly pedantic. I'm voluntarily deleting my previous posts in this thread given how ridiculously petulant this as all become.
I'm out.
Again, sorry my friend but a very small handful of complaints provides absolutely zero valid information as to the products robustness nor the manf QA process.As promised, here are some more links.
Despite these issues, I’d prob still choose ZCO over Kahles due to their apparently superior customer service. Doubly so due to Kahles/Swaro’s lawfare about their FOV patent #FovGate. (Swaro owns Kahles)
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Failure rate…a real measure of reliability…requires knowledge of the total number of failures and the total number of the fielded population. Then…if talking MTBF, there is cumulative operating time also (which not really feasible w a rifle scope).
Like @CSTactical, I too wonder why you are on this kick. Did you own one and have problems? Inquiring minds want to know.
And yes, I have a 5-27 ZCO and I’m quite satisfied with it.
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@CSTactical
You are taking this personally. It is not an attack, it a discussion aimed at other forum members, not sales guys. If you haven’t noticed, I actually suggested buying a ZCO vs a Kahles to the OP.
We get your position. You have a financial interest in selling ZCO. That’s fine. But you don’t see other store reps, like Doug from Cameraland, Euro Conner from EO, Mile High, or any other reps deluge threads with their rep opinions.
I also am flummoxed as to why you don’t pipe up so vociferously against problem reports regarding TT, S&B, Kahles, Leupold, Impact actions, Spuhr, Swaro, MDT, Vortex, or Zeiss etc, (all other brands you carry).
If a guy can’t link to public posts and pass on some insider info without 15 long dilutive replies from someone who has a financial interest in selling the product…well, you’re literally only damaging your brand (ZCO and CSTactical).
You are taking this personally. It is not an attack, it a discussion aimed at other forum members, not sales guys. If you haven’t noticed, I actually suggested buying a ZCO vs a Kahles to the OP.
We get your position. You have a financial interest in selling ZCO. That’s fine. But you don’t see other store reps, like Doug from Cameraland, Euro Conner from EO, Mile High, or any other reps deluge threads with their rep opinions.
I also am flummoxed as to why you don’t pipe up so vociferously against problem reports regarding TT, S&B, Kahles, Leupold, Impact actions, Spuhr, Swaro, MDT, Vortex, or Zeiss etc, (all other brands you carry).
If a guy can’t link to public posts and pass on some insider info without 15 long dilutive replies from someone who has a financial interest in selling the product…well, you’re literally only damaging your brand (ZCO and CSTactical).
I have never owned a ZCO. Or a Kahles. Or a TT.
Scopes I own: Razor G2 4.5-27, S&B 5-25, NF 4-32, PST II’s, Razor LHT 4.5-22 and 3-15.
I simply & calmly tell it like I see it and often provide supporting links. I really hate groupthink and fanboy-ism. I think it’s pretty obvious I have no ZCO vendetta.
I mean, does @koshkin himself have a ZCO vendetta when he states he has heard of QA issues (via, ahem, non-public info) with the 840 while at the same time saying the 527 has a stellar QA rep? Or when he states ZCO is fudging their public FOV stats (and that ZCO dislikes him for that)??
No. He is telling it as he sees it.
C’mon guys.
This just shows that you do not read my posts, again I'm not just some Sales Guy. There is plenty of that on this forum, I'm not taking it personally as I stated that I've been directly involved in some of these past their user names whether it is over the phone, PM or both. Forum posts do not show the whole picture is what I've said earlier. Why are you taking all this personally when you're not directly involved in any of this and don't know what the truth is? If I'm just here for financial motivation, then why are you regurgitating all of these negative posts? What's your motivation? Who do you work for? What's your name?
If you're going to claim I have some hidden agenda then you have my number or you can come out of anonymity.
I'm glad you're posting for someone else again, we can meet on @koshkin podcast and we can discuss it. I won't be sick next time.
I'm guessing he'll be "thrilled" when he sees it.
You don’t have a hidden agenda, my dude. Your agenda is explicit, which is to sell ZCO. This is normal and expected as a sales guy. We get it. Nothing wrong with it.
My agenda is transparency. One can simultaneously recommend ZCO while pointing out past and current issues.
For example, here’s one discreet issue that really makes ZCO appealing to me: Flare control.
See this test, which may or may not suck. Seems legit to me? ZCO wins it.
Optics Comparison
Purpose As a competitive shooter, we often hear the question of which optic is best. While there are many components of an optic that contribute to the overall quality and its ability to perform, this review only focuses on optical clarity/resolution. The definition of clarity and resolution for...
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Oh please do. He’s talked about it numerous times, like below.
Give me enough time and I can back up the stuff I say…like the fact that the ZCO boys aren’t a fan of him. You would be unwise to think I’m lying. I am a paying member of his Locals site.
You don’t have a hidden agenda, my dude. Your agenda is explicit, which is to sell ZCO. This is normal and expected as a sales guy. We get it. Nothing wrong with it.
My agenda is transparency. One can simultaneously recommend ZCO while pointing out past and current issues.
For example, here’s one discreet issue that really makes ZCO appealing to me: Flare control.
See this test, which may or may not suck. Seems legit to me? ZCO wins it.
Optics Comparison
Purpose As a competitive shooter, we often hear the question of which optic is best. While there are many components of an optic that contribute to the overall quality and its ability to perform, this review only focuses on optical clarity/resolution. The definition of clarity and resolution for...www.kineticsecuritysolutions.com
Oh please do. He’s talked about it numerous times, like below.
Give me enough time and I can back up the stuff I say…like the fact that the ZCO boys aren’t a fan of him. You would be unwise to think I’m lying. I am a paying member of his Locals site.
So you did see me on his podcast recently and he did ask me on again...
I would be interested to hear your take on the various squabbles. You are obviously right; it is true there is more than one side to every disagreement (and agreement, too).
I can only link to public posts, and not to the thoughts or knowledge in someone’s head. It is up to the reader to analyze how trustworthy the problem report is.
Is there a reason why you can’t give everybody an edited version of various events? There needs to be enough detail in it, of course, for your take on it to be convincing.
You’ve got a hard job. But you’re making it harder on yourself. ZCO sorta sells itself, and when you sell a luxury good you gotta pedal it softly.
I did watch that podcast. They are looooongggg lol. I must’ve missed that particular exchange. What’s the time stamp?
Edit: whoops, you’re saying he’s asked you on again. Good. Again, you would be unwise to think I’m bluffing. Just send him a PM in the meantime. Dead serious.
I said it earlier, one of those members threatened legal action for no reason. I have the PM, is that juice worth the squeeze to us when all we sold was an accessory? NO
You don't like my aproach because I'm honest and myself. If you think I'm just going to soft shoe for customers because I'm in sales than you are wrong.
You don’t have a hidden agenda, my dude. Your agenda is explicit, which is to sell ZCO. This is normal and expected as a sales guy. We get it. Nothing wrong with it.
My agenda is transparency. One can simultaneously recommend ZCO while pointing out past and current issues.
For example, here’s one discreet issue that really makes ZCO appealing to me: Flare control.
See this test, which may or may not suck. Seems legit to me? ZCO wins it.
Optics Comparison
Purpose As a competitive shooter, we often hear the question of which optic is best. While there are many components of an optic that contribute to the overall quality and its ability to perform, this review only focuses on optical clarity/resolution. The definition of clarity and resolution for...www.kineticsecuritysolutions.com
Oh please do. He’s talked about it numerous times, like below.
Give me enough time and I can back up the stuff I say…like the fact that the ZCO boys aren’t a fan of him. You would be unwise to think I’m lying. I am a paying member of his Locals site.
Dude, you are coming across as the old lady at the fence passing old gossip. You readily admitted that you have zero first hand knowledge on the topic. You have been told that the links to the old shit are only partial information and yet you want to continue scratching a scab like there's an agenda behind it. What the fuck is your problem? Take your Karen shit somewhere else
I'm just trying to dessiminate misinformation, I never said any company is perfect. Those posts also have call logs and PM's to us, there's more to the story... I'll be gone for the rest of the night. I have my number 916-628-3490 and will be on the road for 2 hours.
You sir are being an ASS. This thread should be locked. You have been very antagonistic towards Richard and ZCO. Then you say you have never owned one. CST and Richard sell almost every name brand. Is ZCO perfect, probably not, nor is TT, Vortex, NightForce or any of the other brands he sells, and he will recommend whatever fits your needs best. Does he talk about ZCO a lot, sure it is what a lot of people choose. I normally enjoy your posts, but you seem to have decided to play Don Quixote and ride your donkey into battle. Calm down, take a nap or go shooting whatever. Whatever you think you are going to accomplish is not happening. Rich also probably should go have a drink or rebuild an engine. Tempers have flared and for everyone’s sake it needs to calm down.You don’t have a hidden agenda, my dude. Your agenda is explicit, which is to sell ZCO. This is normal and expected as a sales guy. We get it. Nothing wrong with it.
My agenda is transparency. One can simultaneously recommend ZCO while pointing out past and current issues.
For example, here’s one discreet issue that really makes ZCO appealing to me: Flare control.
See this test, which may or may not suck. Seems legit to me? ZCO wins it.
Optics Comparison
Purpose As a competitive shooter, we often hear the question of which optic is best. While there are many components of an optic that contribute to the overall quality and its ability to perform, this review only focuses on optical clarity/resolution. The definition of clarity and resolution for...www.kineticsecuritysolutions.com
Oh please do. He’s talked about it numerous times, like below.
Give me enough time and I can back up the stuff I say…like the fact that the ZCO boys aren’t a fan of him. You would be unwise to think I’m lying. I am a paying member of his Locals site.
Do I like ZCO, it’s pretty obvious I do, could I like TT as much, probably, but there are things I prefer on the ZCO bth are great scopes.
Here I am at the start of the flu on the bottom right. As I stated in this livestream, I'd like more accurate information.
Let me break it down for you.
ZCO makes a very, very, very good scope.
There have been some problems reported. I linked to them.
I talked about some non-public reports, just like @kthomas and @koshkin have (the later in other posts, vids, or maybe just on his locals site. Can’t remember).
Overall I give ZCO a BUY rating.
Who the fuck do you think you are? Demanding answers? With a backhanded slight against a good guy? Fuck off!! You are a nobody that is too cheap to buy the product and find out or just here to bash.
I don't post in the information forums cuz of shit bags like you. It usually gets me banned. But I am making an exception for you. I ain't a virgin to the experience.
Take your bullshit someplace else.
BTW: I don't have a ZCO. And I don't usually give a rats ass what is spread on the www interwebs. Jesus Christ didn't make everyone happy nor will anyone else. Do you fucking understand that? Do I need to go further?
PS. Richard, put the POS on ignore and have a great weekend
Whut, ZCO didnt send you a fanboy patch yet?Keep doing what you do Ilya. Looking forward to your
thoughts on the upcomIng 8-40.
Here is koshkin is alluding to the ZCO FOV issue. I will scrub through his vids and give you dudes a time stamp.
There is no demand, just a request…
Nothing like the eye-watering steam-bath of ZCO fanboi heat
Guys, turn it down a notch? We’re talking about a riflescope here.
Thread ruined. Surprised it’s not death before dismount and fuckqu going at it as there usually the two that ruin a thread bickering like little chitlens.
OP asks for:
(my emphasis)
Discussion ensues.
Some mention ZCO issues in the past, and maybe current.
Links are shared, as well as what people have heard.
For some reason, ZCO guys are mad.
So that is what this all about, FOV? You call it an issue, Everyone else just called it a Kahles feature. It’s not like the ZCO failed, They have what they have.Here is koshkin is alluding to the ZCO FOV issue. I will scrub through his vids and give you dudes a time stamp.
There is no demand, just a request…
Nothing like the eye-watering steam-bath of ZCO fanboi heat
Guys, turn it down a notch? We’re talking about a riflescope here.
“That”? Not sure what you’re referring to, exactly.
It was suggested that I might have it in for ZCO. A scope company that I actually like and publicly recommend.
Post #75 is my rebuttal, which deals with FOV fudging and @koshkin. As in, does he, too, have a vendetta just because he brought up unflattering intel about ZCO?
It’s not about the scope, it’s about what is said about the scope and what it means, socially.
"Maybe" . The grammar nazi in me says there, their, they're. But really "May Be".
The rest of what you have posted is exactly what I said. Chevy, Ford, RAM bullshit
Again, I don't have a ZCO. So not a fanboi shilling. But, you are playing the innocent victim bullshit.
Richard seems like he doubts my info about @koshkin and ZCO’s relationship, and maybe doubts Koshkin’s FOV discrepancy claim? Not sure.
Some subsequent posts of mine are providing some evidence to the contrary. He must’ve mentioned it in a video, which is harder to find, obviously.
Sigh.
Can you guys tell me why, exactly, you are mad at a guy who suggests the OP buy a ZCO?
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