Lone peak actions.

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20drone19

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So i need help, I purchased 2 lpa actions. 1 long action ti and 1 steel medium both fuzion both full dlc. I had 2 carbon six barrels made and that's where I'm at 1 7prc amd 1 6.5 max. I inquired with a well know Smith to make me a 7 mega barrel for one of the lpa actions and he refused to make a barrel for lpa. He said they are junk. He said for 300 he could make them to their potential, here are the issue he state and I'm just wondering if it's worth him to fix or try to part of ignore what he said. Here you go. Copied and pasted his comments below

Their shit is generally junk if you want benchrest accuracy consistently
1)I don’t do barrels for lone peak arms Too many things need done for a rifle to shoot to its potential. Especially lone peak ignition systems. 80% need fixed
2) they use too weak of springs
3)Firing pins, cocking pieces binding, inadequate firing pin travel. Weak springs. And their actions are one of the most crooked actions on the custom market. I refuse to build on em anymore
4)Horrible cock on close generally also
5)Proper ignition is crucial for consistent benchrest accuracy. Without it the the gun wont shoot light: out. In big magnums I’ve seen hang fires in cold weather w their actions due to ignition. Fix the ignition and it’s cured.
Remachine certain parts $300 to fix em per action.
I don't want to throw him under the bus so I won't name him unless he says I can
 
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I'm a bit confused. Is he primarily a benchrest rifle builder? The crooked, faulty ignition, piece of garbage Lone Peaks seem fine for the precision rifle guys but maybe he's used to the finer things in life with benchrest actions. Then again I don't think benchrest actions are commonly used for precision rifle applications.
 
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RTH1800 said:
Like many of these post it’s absolutely meaningless without name of builder.

LPA deserves no less privacy than the builder.
Imagine the post without naming the action or the builder. This is half as worthless.
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That's weird I'm only taking about the action not talking aBout any other part of the rifle i just had a smith refuse to make a barrel for that action. Not sure what a builder has to do with it. The one barrel i have is a prefit barrel from carbon six that I'll put on myself. I was just curious if others have heard any of these issue the Smith stated. From reading other blogs just now it seems like and issue
 
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NateVA said:
I'm a bit confused. Is he primarily a benchrest rifle builder? The crooked, faulty ignition, piece of garbage Lone Peaks seem fine for the precision rifle guys but maybe he's used to the finer things in life with benchrest actions. Then again I don't think benchrest actions are commonly used for precision rifle applications.
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Mike from lpa was awesome to me and the actions seam great, he stated these are for hunting especially the titanium fuzion he sold me. Both actions have the alpine rail on them so another reason that makes me thing he's using for the hunting world but what do I know. He had no problem sell8ng to me when I told him I was looking for a hunting application.
 
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Rubicon Precision said:
Not sure Fuzions were ever marketed as a benchrest action.

That said, I cut more barrels for Fuzions than any other model, by far. Impacts next. Likely a regional thing.
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Agreed, Mike from lpa who great, told me to use the alpine cut on the rail if I was using for hunting. Also I'm not talking down about lpa actually looking to buy another short action. I was just shocked when I was told this from a smith so I figured I would ask.
 
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20drone19 said:
Agreed, Mike from lpa who great, told me to use the alpine cut on the rail if I was using for hunting. Also I'm not talking down about lpa actually looking to buy another short action. I was just shocked when I was told this from a smith so I figured I would ask.
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They are great actions. You’re just talking to a builder that specializes in the wrong genre.
 
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NateVA said:
I'm a bit confused. Is he primarily a benchrest rifle builder? The crooked, faulty ignition, piece of garbage Lone Peaks seem fine for the precision rifle guys but maybe he's used to the finer things in life with benchrest actions. Then again I don't think benchrest actions are commonly used for precision rifle applications.
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Says right on the website from lap for hunting
 

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RTH1800 said:
Like many of these post it’s absolutely meaningless without name of builder.

LPA deserves no less privacy than the builder.
Imagine the post without naming the action or the builder. This is half as worthless.
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Rubicon Precision said:
They are great actions. You’re just talking to a builder that specializes in the wrong genre.
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Based on a similar post on Rokslide (OP has the same alias), the builder was Ryan Pierce. I'm unsure if he knew when he said this stuff to OP that OP would spam post it across a bunch of forums.

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RTH1800 said:
Like many of these post it’s absolutely meaningless without name of builder.

LPA deserves no less privacy than the builder.
Imagine the post without naming the action or the builder. This is half as worthless.
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wpeach1912 said:
I would get someone else to spin you a barrel. Lone Peaks don’t have the reputation they do because they don’t work or
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wpeach1912 said:
I would get someone else to spin you a barrel. Lone Peaks don’t have the reputation they do because they don’t work or don’t shoot.
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Agreed. I was shocked when he said this. Thanks
 
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These are Lone Peak actions


All 4 groups are 15 rounds each....
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4-5-6-7-8 all shot yesterday off my tail gate, 80deg mirage was bad...
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last pic won't load so gotta double click....5 shots high are the water line at 850yds from my Lone Peak 6BR 24" ACE barrel....so as someone already said I'd be looking for a new smith unless you building a full BR gun.
 

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I had just the opposite experience. A world record holding BR shooter and builder that said he’d never build on one of my Impacts again. Ignition timing and force was his big issue. Are you sure he said “no” to LPA and not Impact?
 
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djarecke said:
I had just the opposite experience. A world record holding BR shooter and builder that said he’d never build on one of my Impacts again. Ignition timing and force was his big issue. Are you sure he said “no” to LPA and not Impact?
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Alex Wheeler? I seem to recall that he wasn't too fond of Impacts.

Funny how cliquish people are with gear in this sport - actions and scopes seem to be the most cliquish. Every brand seems to have its lovers and haters.

There's not a single action made where there isn't a gunsmith that's a detractor. It seems to come down to what the gunsmiths are familiar with and what they like working on. There also seems to be some regional factors at play and relationships.
 
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Unless the gunsmith was told otherwise, I'm assuming that the OP was looking for benchrest accuracy. That would explain the copied and pasted part of the response that said "Their shit is generally junk if you want benchrest accuracy consistently."

I've never heard of the guy, but that doesn't mean anything. There are a ton of fantastic gunsmiths out there these days. Personally, if the OP didn't inquire about winning benchrest or F-Class matches, the response would be enough to have me start looking elsewhere. However if that were the criteria and the 'smith possesses the skill to build a winning rifle...one might want to listen to him.

It is all out of context at this point.

FWIW, I have (4) builds on generic factory actions, and everyone of them is a consistent sub-half-minute rifle...and could probably be better if I possessed the skill to really drive them. Definitely zero hindrance for PRS as far as accuracy is concerned...

But there is a big difference between a winning PRS rig and a winning benchrest one.

*****

I've also noticed that many gunsmiths have barrel preferences. While they will work with just about any of them, just ask who their preferred manufacturer is and you'll probably get a 1-2 company response.
 
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diggler1833 said:
Unless the gunsmith was told otherwise, I'm assuming that the OP was looking for benchrest accuracy. That would explain the copied and pasted part of the response that said "Their shit is generally junk if you want benchrest accuracy consistently."

I've never heard of the guy, but that doesn't mean anything. There are a ton of fantastic gunsmiths out there these days. Personally, if the OP didn't inquire about winning benchrest or F-Class matches, the response would be enough to have me start looking elsewhere. However if that were the criteria and the 'smith possesses the skill to build a winning rifle...one might want to listen to him.

It is all out of context at this point.

FWIW, I have (4) builds on generic factory actions, and everyone of them is a consistent sub-half-minute rifle...and could probably be better if I possessed the skill to really drive them. Definitely zero hindrance for PRS as far as accuracy is concerned...

But there is a big difference between a winning PRS rig and a winning benchrest one.

*****

I've also noticed that many gunsmiths have barrel preferences. While they will work with just about any of them, just ask who their preferred manufacturer is and you'll probably get a 1-2 company response.
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Well said.

If you go to a gunsmith that's focused on disciplines like BR and F-Class, they will have very different objectives and likes/dislikes in an action than a gunsmith that focuses on PRS and adjacent disciplines.

Hire the right gunsmith for the job. You wouldn't task a heavy duty diesel mechanic with working on a Formula 1 car, or vice versa.
 
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Place a call to @AccuSol-ERN at Altus or Fritz @ Black Canyon Customs.

Both make barrels that are lasers.
Both are great guys to deal with

There are others and I have mult barrels from both of these guys that shoot lights out.



I know a smith who wont chamber a barrel unless he goes through the action with a fine tooth comb to make sure its perfect.
High end hunting rifles, not even BR.
He keeps very busy and commands a premium for his work.
He for sure has actions he prefers.




If you dont want the worthless junk LPA actions, will give you scrap price of $6 for steel, $12 for Ti and will even pay shipping.
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kthomas said:
Alex Wheeler? I seem to recall that he wasn't too fond of Impacts.
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Yes sir! You are correct!

I have had great success with any top-notch smith chambering barrels, despite their reservations about a certain action. Robert Gradous and I did go through a few hoops getting one of my Impacts to shoot, but as it turns out, it was a whacko muzzle brake. That one took the last of my hair off of my bald spot, but we looked at everything; from firing pin springs to different barrels, triggers, and scopes.

So I think the OP's issues may be overstated by "Anonymous Gunsmith X" for hunting or any practical applications outside of benchrest.
 
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I have 4 fuzions, they all shoot well. They have proper pin fall, 2 of the 4 couldn't have a lil better ignition timing, the other 2 are great. 3 have same headspace, on is 0.0015 longer. They have no cock on close, the fuzion ti does and that will be getting tuned out.
 
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His wiff musta wrote that for him.

No way that ole boy Rooster has that much good logical sense.

If God give him 100 IQ points to start he musta traded a pile of em for Moon Pies, deep fried Twinkies and scratch tickets when he was young……
 
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