Parker Hale T4

Really your typical heavy barrel No.4 in 7.62. Generally similar to the Enforcers. Better stocks etc than the L42A1 rifles. Pretty good shooters when set up well.

jwSubMOA said:

Really your typical heavy barrel No.4 in 7.62. Generally similar to the Enforcers. Better stocks etc than the L42A1 rifles. Pretty good shooters when set up well.

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So you’d say they shoot as well as the L39/L42’s?
Would the Parker Hale barrels be considered better, worse, or basically same-same quality wise/accuracy potential as the L39/L42 barrels ??

If I remember correctly Enfield made the hammer forged barrels for 39/42 7.62 conversions. Excellent shooters. Parker Hale barrels are also fabulous. I have used dozens either on actual PH rifles 81/82/84/85/87 or used to build Mauser based rifles. It's sort of an Red Delicious apple to Cosmic Crisp apple comparison, personal preference and availability. Really finding any factory heavy barrel No.4 in 7.62 in the US is a happy day and an enjoyable rifle. Most of the target versions are reasonably affordable, while the L39/42 rifles have gotten stupid. Example, I once bought an L42A1 in its transit chest with matching optics and all accessories for $1500. I think there is one on GB now for $15000 or more.

They should be very good shooters until approx 600 Yards. In tons, which proof has it ?

Further info see f.e.: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/parker-hale-m82-clone.7020161/page-4

Winchester M70 Van Orden said:

They should be very good shooters until approx 600 Yards. In tons, which proof has it ?

Further info see f.e.: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/parker-hale-m82-clone.7020161/page-4


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The Parker Hale 7.62mm hammer forged barrels are considered by our local NZNRA shooters, to be good out to 800 yards. Glass bedding of the receiver to fore-end interface—where allowed—has proven greatly beneficial, according to my friend Duncan MacKee, husband of government minister, the Honourable Nicole McKee, also a good friend of mine. N.B. Original No. 4 fore-ends will all be over seventy (70) years old by now. Cheers from NZl

ZG47A said:

The Parker Hale 7.62mm hammer forged barrels are considered by our local NZNRA shooters, to be good out to 800 yards. Glass bedding of the receiver to fore-end interface—where allowed—has proven greatly beneficial, according to my friend Duncan MacKee, husband of government minister, the Honourable Nicole McKee, also a good friend of mine. N.B. Original No. 4 fore-ends will all be over seventy (70) years old by now. Cheers from NZl

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That sounds really well.. . Which ammo is that, please ?

Winchester M70 Van Orden said:

That sounds really well.. . Which ammo is that, please ?

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British, Canadian or Australian made 144 grain (.307” projectile) service ammunition. MEN 150 grain service ammunition, etcetera. Hand loads using aforementioned 144 grain .307” projectile OR Lapua 144 grain .3075” projectile. Hand loads with any 150 grain .3075” non-VLD spitzer projectile. You might also do well with a heavier weight .308 projectile BUT remember that the 7.62x51 needs every inch of barrel length it can get for long range shooting.
For the benefit of people who trust what is written on bullet boxes, ‘.308” bullets’ are actually .3075” diameter bullets. Larger diameter target bullets are sometimes available BUT they exist purely to extend the usable life of target barrels. N.B. .303 projectiles are sometimes used to extend the usable life of a .308 or .30-06 hunting rifle.

Mainly the bulletweight-range coming from the Service-resp. Surplus-Ammo, I see, yes.. . What about the target-loads with match-bullets from 155 grains and higher - the range of out to 800 yards is not necessarily the most suitable one for these lighter bullets ?.. . Hoping and supposing that NZ has not to follow all the english NRA-Rules, too ? To fully exploit the rifle’s precision. Some T4-Barrels may be less tight than "typical old" Enfield No.4-matchbarrels.. . Hopefully.

The 155 grain bullets should do well, subject to barrel dimensions and condition. Experimentation will determine how quickly you need to drive them to ensure full obturation and reliable down range performance, due to their relatively short shanks.
In regard to British rules … local NRA shooters never went in for the very small groove diameter barrels e.g. .306” used by some British shooters to maximise accuracy with service ammunition. The Poms had to raise the proof pressure for 7.62x51 NRA target rifles at least twice, going by a 1970s report in a magazine issue that I have on one of my shelves. Those barrels were quickly retired after the change to commercial bullets, according to Din Collings RIP.
Have fun.

There has somebody the Lapua 155 gr Scenar and his 167 grain-sibling used: https://tirsportif.forumactif.com/t33759-parker-hale-t4
Local NRA shooters never went in for the very small groove diameter barrels e.g. .306: superb - that is exactly what I have been hoping for them

Hmm.. what about the exact level of this 7,62 mm Nato-proof ? From which years ? To compare with the No.4-Enfield-Conversions in England.. .

Winchester M70 Van Orden said:

There has somebody the Lapua 155 gr Scenar and his 167 grain-sibling used: https://tirsportif.forumactif.com/t33759-parker-hale-t4
Local NRA shooters never went in for the very small groove diameter barrels e.g. .306: superb - that is exactly what I have been hoping for them

Hmm.. what about the exact level of this 7,62 mm Nato-proof ? From which years ? To compare with the No.4-Enfield-Conversions in England.. .

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According to p. 526 (pertaining to the L42A1) of The Lee Enfield: A Century of Lee-Metford & Lee-Enfield Rifles & Carbines, by Ian Skennerton, pub. 2007;

‘the bolthead is marked ‘19 T’ which indicates a pressure of 19 tons per sq. in. for the 7.62mm re-proofing.’

N.B. Nineteen (19) Imperial tons per sq. in. equals 42,560 pounds per square inch. It is worth remembering that, according to Julian Hatcher, the short ton is never used in ballistics. The same is apparently true of aeronautics.

P.S. The reproving of British N.R.A. rifles to 20 tons was actually recommended in 1973 for the purpose of shooting ‘Heavy Raufoss ammunition (185 grain) …’ although it obviously came in handy later on, when some shooters started using deliberately undersized barrels with 144gr service ammunition. The reproving was done using the oiled case method, which … when you think about it, is an excellent method for proving a small arm. Oily chambers, oily fingers and cartridges with water on them are known causes of real world rifle problems. If you P.M. me your email address, I can scan the relevant page of Guns Review, June 1973 and forward it to you. I also have a copy of the May 1990 edition of Guns Review which contains a four page article on the Parker Hale M85 Target Rifle.

P.P.S. When I previously said that the barrel proof for 7.62x51 barrels on No. 4 receivers had to be upgraded at least twice, I might have been recalling evening discussions at a local gun shop.

Have a good weekend. Cheers from NZ.