My point was aimed directly at you making it sound like the USAF went through some great effort to Bunker bust Slatina, when that just isn't the case.
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That's technically not true. They do have a bomb that could do it.
The sound of constant piggies would make an ideal music to annoy the fuck out of em them filthy muzzies.
Exactly!! Considering the amount of weapons and money the we the U.S. via our government give them they can do the work.
Quite a few, in fact.... Underground testing was never banned...
But I doubt they will first-use. That would be a bad, bad move for their future and ability to leverage their historical victim status.
Now if Iran does something NBC tonight... But they have been bloviating every day on TV. Well, on the TV that's left after the IDF put a smart bomb on the TV studio ;-)
Sirhr
More likely it's too dangerous to move civilian aircraft in the airspace right now.
Last thing we need is a planeload of US Citizens winged by an Iranian missile.... Lindsey Graham would be seen fapping on National TV over that one...
If I were an American in Israel right now, I'd be much happier in a bunker or out on some Kibbutz watching the show through binoculars.
Sirhr
Fuck Graham, Will he be leading the charge?
MIC owns too many politicians for the war to end or be ended by individuals with common sense.
Also remember that in the former Yugoslavia, the Clinton Admin put something like a 30,000 foot floor on aircover. Maybe it was only 10K. I can't recall the actual number. But they had a hard deck for US operations so another plane didn't get shot down. Anyone else remember Scott O'Grady and the hubbub that caused?
So to avoid that, planes could not operate at altitudes that would have let them make precision strikes. And 'may' have had all their operations limited. I don't know about that. Maybe someone can chime in. Clinton did NOT want to lose any more aircraft.
Sirhr
Infrared weapons (IR) could render the investment in radar-defeating measures pointless, but so far the missiles do not have the altitude to deal with a fighter-bomber dropping a laser-guided bomb from 15,000 feet, or the range to deal with one launching a stand-off missile from 40 miles. The seekers are not effective over the wide field of view and long distance they would need to search for such a high-altitude shot. However, infrared weapons are demonstrably more survivable, and did a good job of keeping NATO aircraft above 10,000 feet over both provinces of the Balkans. Two NATO aircraft losses over Bosnia—a French Mirage 2000D in 1995 and a British Harrier GR7 in 1994—were attributable to low-altitude operations. Unsurprisingly, with the hard deck raised to 15,000 feet in 1999, these losses never materialized. In 1999, the Yugoslavs reportedly had only 17 tracked Strela-10 (SAM-13) launchers, and only 75 shoulder-fired Iglas (SAM-16/18s). They had a huge number of Strela-2Ms (SAM-7s), but those weapons are notoriously easy to deceive with flares. Worse, most of these missiles were years past their warranty expirations, and the complicated seekers on IR-guided weapons are not endlessly shelf-stable.
In 1999, NATO used stealth bombers and modern electronics from altitudes at which the Yugoslavs were outmatched, and managed to destroy a predictably small quantity of armor and artillery. The Yugoslavs fought back with technology that the North Vietnamese had used against the Linebacker II campaign of 1972. The Yugoslavs shot off 700 missiles, and downed two aircraft.
i don't know how correct she is, but there is another religion that is still waiting for their messiah.
i'm told that in order for that to happen, the whole world has to go to shit first (unless we can achieve global bliss).
Let me put on my tinfoil hat.
The Iranians secretly bought a nuke from Dim Dung Hill and have it smuggled into Tel Aviv or Jerusalem.
Or Pakistan. Pakistan has already said that they would respond on Iran's behalf.
And they have a lot less to lose than Kim Jong Nutball.
Sirhr
Fights can fly in and foreigners can fly out , its purely to keep israelis inside.
The escape flotilla: with no possibility of flying, some Israelis flee the war on yachts
With the Skies Closed, Hundreds of Israelis Have Joined Groups Offering an Alternative Escape Route. None Are Willing to Speak Openly
www.haaretz.com
Didn't we drop those on the Houthis? Or shoot them at drones? So parts scattered in Africa could easily be in Iran... and available to photograph?
Again, I trust noone these days.
Sirhr
even a dirty bomb could have large and long term consequences, and shooting it down above tel aviv isn't necessarily going to make it ineffective.
Big difference between defensive interceptor AA missile debris and an aimed bunker buster dropped from an american military plane over a sovereign country
Yeah... had not thought of that.
If you have access to enough radioactive material... (and they do) that would probably be a pretty expedient and simple thing to pull off.
Let's hope they don't try it! Because that would be really, really bad at every level.
But in the throes of disaster, governments do stupid things. Especially crazy theocratic ones that regard a return to the 9th Century as a net positive.
Sirhr
Didn’t a hacker destroy one facility a while back just over reving the equipment?Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
The site, 90 meters (295 feet) underground, houses thousands of centrifuges to enrich uranium. Israel’s conventional munitions can’t reach that deep, and it would take the US joining the fight to knock it out from the air.
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Israel: We Are Hitting Fordow, With or Without U.S., Bunker-Busters
Israel's national security adviser said Israel will not stop fighting the war before it has damaged Iran's Fordow (Fordo) nuclear facility.www.breitbart.com
Stuxnet virus... brilliant operation. IIRC used a printer shipped from France to introduce a virus into the centrifuges that caused them to destroy themselves.
A very creative op!
Stuxnet - Wikipedia
Sirhr
Can you appreciate the exquisite twisted beauty of how this is all playing out.
-3500 years ago the Israelites crossed the Jordan River and slaughtered every living thing. Took the land. You could call it a holocaust. Biblical history
-Roll forward +/- 3500 years and a bunch of whack job Germans tried to exterminate them, and made a big dent in their population. Holocaust. Modern history
-However Israel came into possession of the land they have, stole it, Balfour'd it, gifted by the Almighty, etc, they just had to have THAT piece of land, knowing they'd be surrounded by enemies, and rudely displaced a couple hundred thousand people. Insanity Mod History
-Roll forward a mere 30 years, the Shah is out, the Zealots who are mandated by their religion to destroy Israel, are in and looking to fulfil the prophecy. Insanity Mod History.
You cant make this shit up. I just hope Trump keeps us out of it.
-3500 years ago the Israelites crossed the Jordan River and slaughtered every living thing. Took the land. You could call it a holocaust. Biblical history
-Roll forward +/- 3500 years and a bunch of whack job Germans tried to exterminate them, and made a big dent in their population. Holocaust. Modern history
-However Israel came into possession of the land they have, stole it, Balfour'd it, gifted by the Almighty, etc, they just had to have THAT piece of land, knowing they'd be surrounded by enemies, and rudely displaced a couple hundred thousand people. Insanity Mod History
-Roll forward a mere 30 years, the Shah is out, the Zealots who are mandated by their religion to destroy Israel, are in and looking to fulfil the prophecy. Insanity Mod History.
You cant make this shit up. I just hope Trump keeps us out of it.
All this procrastination and worry about blowing up thier nuke facilities.
WTF let those areas glow dimly for a thousand years with radiation thier own plants.
For the life of me can't see why anyone cares? Far enough away from anything we GAF about to be Inconciquential.
Hopefully thier goat brothels are far enough away to not be damaged. I don't want to stir things up.
WTF let those areas glow dimly for a thousand years with radiation thier own plants.
For the life of me can't see why anyone cares? Far enough away from anything we GAF about to be Inconciquential.
Hopefully thier goat brothels are far enough away to not be damaged. I don't want to stir things up.
We're going to be in hip deep before this is over.
Is it?
A U.S. boat taking direct action against an Iranian ballistic missile aimed at Israel.
Not self defense of US assets or US Mil members.
While I agree that a US plane over their airspace would be a bigger deal, the US intercepting Iranian missiles while possibly still over Iranian airspace is not trivial. I guess it boils down to a matter of degree and trying to determine where that ever-elusive line is.
IF any of this is even accurate........
Per sirhmechanic above, they could easily stage debris from other theaters of operation in efforts to further their narrative.
Or one set off by pre-positioned teams in any number of US cities…. That’s my biggest concern right now.
And re: US air strikes, I’m willing to give Trump some slack for now:
1) This shit has been ongoing for thousands of years, but the blame for where we are rests squarely on Jimmy Carter’s shoulders. If he’d been a real leader, he’d have nipped this shit in the bud. Trump’s just stepping up to finally put an end to the nonsense, and remove the threat Iran has posed for 40+ years.
2) Payback for the Embassy seizure…about fucking time.
3) We haven’t (officially) done anything yet for fuck’s sake...let’s see how this plays out.
4) Trump doesn’t strike me as a NeoCon or a MIC supporter (may be his undoing as a matter of fact).
5) If we do strike, I think Trump’s enough of an outside the box thinker to NOT also take on nation building or anything else…hit and leave, none of that bullshit we did in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Of course, the MIC and likely Israel will try their best to drag us into it anyway.
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Could we drop him on Qum?
(Note to all Glowies... this is satire. This is not an actual serious call to drop Lindsay Graham on Iran. I do not have the means or opportunity to drop him on Iran. Nor do I actually advocate this at any level. Besides, even we aren't going to be that cruel to the Iranians!)
Sirhr
Just a couple years or so we did exactly that, from ships and aircraft we shot down at least half of the incoming missiles. We even bragged about it. No secret.
I spent most of 2004 over there doing the USMC infantry gig. I have no love for any of them. I don’t even want to contemplate the number of dudes I knew who aren’t here anymore or who aren’t in one piece.
This also leads me to be very reluctant to commit ground forces to any conflict.
We should draft a Constitutional Amendment requiring the adult relatives out to at least 2nd cousins of all Congress Critters, President Vice President and cabinet members to be drafted immediately upon authorization to embark on any direct military action. Furthermore require the sons etc of these turds to serve in frontline combat units in a combat arms MOS. If it’s so damned vital to send US troops then send your kids too politicians. Otherwise get fucked.
I remember.
Never said or insinuated otherwise.
My only point in the post was that I had a difference of opinion with sloporsche regarding the degree of our involvement versus US planes over Iran. So.... I tried to frame the context of my reply accordingly.
Intercepts are occurring over Jordan too. IE Jordan is shooting down Iranian missiles and or drones. Bit of a change since 67
When Graham does a real life imitation of Slim Pickens riding a nuclear bomb out of a bomber onto enemy territory make sure to get a video of it and post it on Youtube for the world and myself to see. Until then he needs to STFU about sending American soldiers to free and create liberty and democracy in a foreign country. Obviously he hasn't studied history to see how that's turned out in the past for the U.S. .
They're in the middle of the open ocean and both ships are the size of a building, visibility has to be like 5-10miles out there, GPS is no excuse.
Lots of incompetent mariners out there operating ships maintained to questionable standards flying flags of convenience. It’s a wonder there aren’t more navigation related accidents.
Despite their mouthing slogans like “Thank you for your service”’endlessly… a lot of politicians regard the military (and other uniformed services) as little more than dogs or cattle… who are not smart enough or valuable enough to be political leaders (or educated at Harvard) like they were.
I think that is one very big difference with Trump. He may be a billionaire, but he has always had “working class” attitudes. He has also been broke a couple of times… when empires collapsed. He genuinely empathizes with the man on the street whose kids end up as the guys at the sharp end of the spear.
Where many others regard them as little more than disposable cannon fodder or pawns to be sacrificed for their great careers as statesmen.
Just an impression…
Sirhr
