Old eyes and iron sights......or I can't see shit anymore.

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I know the main focus of this forum in distance shooting with optics, but this is really the only forum I hang out on anymore.....and I know some of you guys are old fuckers.

I just came in from shooting a 1903 that was made in 1918, barrel and action. Untouched, no updates...the way it was. And yes one of the Sn# range that is to explode and send the earth flying into the sun or some such BS. Buffington sights, that in itself is no help.

I wear progressive glasses, I need to tilt my head to get sights in focus and then the target in focus, it is a different "head tilt" for the front, rear and target. I can't see all clearly in one movement. This in itself is not ideal as you can guess.

So I had some "computer" glasses made with the focal distance about a 12-15" out. I got the bright idea hay lets try the "closeup" glasses and not the progressives. With the progressives and that Buffington sight I could not make a single thing out on the sight, not the hole, not any of the V's nothing. I had pretty much given up on shooting it again. The "close up" glasses at least puts me in the ballpark.

It started not too bad, I could make out the front and rear sights, and with a little effort I could see a normal red dot sticker that is about 3" across....just. It was a bit of a red fuzzy down there. This is all at 100 yards now.

After about 20 rounds my eyes are done, just a little sore I guess from trying to focus on the target, and at the end I had lost the "red dot" all together. I could come off the rifle close my eyes for a few, then get on the rifle and if I took the shot quickly it was not too horrid, but far from good.

So question is, does anyone have a suggestion for eye wear for aging eyes, or is this just another of the things you just can't do anymore. I have given up CMP matches, that is just out of the question. M1 carbines are shot at 100 for my club, and I know my results will likely follow the Springfield from today.

I have tried a little silver sharpie on the front sight. It helped a little.
 
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does anyone have a suggestion for eye wear for aging eyes,

Been using corrective "prescription" shooting glasses for over 10 years. Pretty common in NRA High Power/CMP/ Palma/Intl smallbore circles. You need to get a little more focus on the front sight and the target will be slightly fuzzy, but visible. The common formula for M1 Garand/M14/Palma rifle is + .50 added to your distance vision prescription. AR15 or M1 Carbine with a shorter front sight radius needs more; + .75 added. These will be single vision, not progressives.

You will need to know or ask the Dr what your distance script is to do the math. I get my glasses made at Zenni optical https://www.zennioptical.com

Some people have had luck putting the Bifocal "stickers" inside their safety glasses. Amazon and eBay sell them for under $20

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So question is, does anyone have a suggestion for eye wear for aging eyes, or is this just another of the things you just can't do anymore. I have given up CMP matches, that is just out of the question. M1 carbines are shot at 100 for my club, and I know my results will likely follow the Springfield from today.

I have tried a little silver sharpie on the front sight. It helped a little.

My eye doctor (who is also a shooter) made me some lenses that are for distance only. They work great over M1A National Match sights where that front blade is .065 in width.
 
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Been using corrective "prescription" shooting glasses for over 10 years. Pretty common in NRA High Power/CMP/ Palma/Intl smallbore circles. You need to get a little more focus on the front sight and the target will be slightly fuzzy, but visible. The common formula for M1 Garand/M14/Palma rifle is + .50 added to your distance vision prescription. AR15 or M1 Carbine with a shorter front sight radius needs more; + .75 added. These will be single vision, not progressives.

You will need to know or ask the Dr what your distance script is to do the math. I get my glasses made at Zenni optical https://www.zennioptical.com

Some people have had luck putting the Bifocal "stickers" inside their safety glasses. Amazon and eBay sell them for under $20

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I think I will just print out your post and show it to the eye Dr. He shoots as well. My distance vision is pretty bad, I hope this helps, thanks.
 
An optician can make you a pair of glasses for you with conventional diopter non-progressive lenses, with the diopter you need to have the front sight in focus with your eyes relaxed; i.e. your eyes most 'distant' focus accommodation. Also with the center of the lenses, the vertex, located in the frames where you are looking thru them when on the rifle. Optician or eye Dr prob won't let you go prone on your rifle in the office, to mark on the trial lens where the vertex should be, so take the glasses frames with plain lenses home with you and, in your shooting position, have someone help mark the lens with the point that you are looking thru to see the sights. This is prob far from the center of the frames, so you may need to use smaller wire frames, that can be adjusted higher on your face. The same idea as Knobloch shooting glasses.

Looking thru a corrective lens, at a place that is away from the center of the lens, distorts the image, and usually fatigues your eyes.
 
you need to have the front sight in focus with your eyes relaxed; i.e. your eyes most 'distant' focus accommodation.
Using that "formula" will have too strong of a script, which leaves the target blurrier than necessary. Stick with the formula I gave in post #3. Those numbers have been tried and tested for years.

You are correct though as to the vertex being close to the inner edge/bridge of the glasses. This can often confuse the eyeglass mfr when the request is made. Decot Hy-wide glasses are made for shooting and will accommodate the script and vertex placement. But they are crazy expensive at $300 a pair. An example of the vertex issue:
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I know some of you guys are old fuckers.
A year ago had cataract surgery, the first 3 months sucked, the next 3 were better. At the 6th month mark I tried irons while not perfect it was much better, at the 9 month mark, I can shoot irons like i did when I was in my 20's-50's again. I did the std w/lenses implants, some I shoot with did the lasik, they all had mixed results. One guy is really screwed up, now. Guess I just got lucky, we all had different opto's Dr's.
 
Using that "formula" will have too strong of a script, which leaves the target blurrier than necessary. Stick with the formula I gave in post #3. Those numbers have been tried and tested for years.

That is very reasonable, likely correct for the OP. I guess I should say to him is; keep an open mind, and see what works.

Vision has a psychological part. For me, with extreme presbyopia, even small focus accommodation is fatiguing, and a relaxed focus on a post or blade front sight is easiest. I don't mind an OOF target. Front aperture sights are different...

Hope that helps