22 dasher build.

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About to order a reamer for 22 dasher in the next day or two. Talking with Manson, they offer a reamer with .210" freebore, which seems a little on the long side to me. It's a custom order so I can technically order whatever I want with the same lead time. Currently 60-90 days.

Alpha offers two reamers, .115" freebore, and .169"

Bullets used for this build will likely be the 88gr eld-m, or the berger 85.5.

For those shooting or chambering 22 dashers, what's the preffered freebore ?
 
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.210 would seem a little long for me, period.

I hope that guys with some actual experience chime in.

My only thought (that may be of help, or may not) is that your freebores are very similar to .223 cartridges. The .169 (ISSF) is pretty common among shooters who are shooting the 80-88gr bullets, while the guys who are shooting 90+ might look for a little more.

Looking at Manson's website now, their 22 GT reamer has .169 freebore "specifically throated for 90 A-Tips and 88 ELD-M". That might help you some.
 
In a 22 I shoot a BRA and not Dasher. I have two reamers, a long 0.160" which I got to try 95 SMKs and a 0.130" for 85.5gr Bergers or 90gr SMK.

For the reamer I'd go with a FB in the 0.115" to 0.130" range for the 85.5gr and similar projectiles.
 
In a 22 I shoot a BRA and not Dasher. I have two reamers, a long 0.160" which I got to try 95 SMKs and a 0.130" for 85.5gr Bergers or 90gr SMK.

For the reamer I'd go with a FB in the 0.115" to 0.130" range for the 85.5gr and similar projectiles.
What's your neck dimension, and are your turning necks ? Im trying to avoid that if at all possible.

Also, what brass are you using to form your cases ?
 
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What's your neck dimension, and are your turning necks ? Im trying to avoid that if at all possible.

Also, what brass are you using to form your cases ?
I went with a 0.255" neck to avoid turning necks. Both Alpha and Lapua brass measure 0.251" loaded from memory. So the 0.255" neck works with either and avoids the need to turn necks.

I've used Lapua before and the current brass I'm shooting is Alpha. With either brand I start with a 6 BR case and fire form it with a false shoulder and jammed round to my BRA chamber. For 22 Dasher I'm not sure which route I'd go. I've read someone say they only necked down Alpha 6 Dasher brass and then fired it and shot it like normal. However I'm not sure if that would work well with every 22 Dasher reamer. If your working with Manson ask the person designing your reamer what brass they recommend to start with. I'd guess Ray is probably designing the reamer and I expect he could give you a better starting point with brass than me for that specific reamer.

However if I had to speculate, I'd guess necking down 6 Dasher brass should work fine because the shoulder angle isn't changing so I'd expect the current 6 Dasher shoulder remains in place. My BRA is a whole different situation since the shoulder angle changes while the neck diameter also changes compared to the parent case which results in the shoulder location moving and requiring more jamming to fire form.

Also I should add:
22 BRA with an 85.5gr Berger LRHT, Alpha Brass, and Varget can achieve around 3150 in a 26" barrel and I start to get cratered primers and some heavy bolt lift pushing past 3200 FPS. I also think there's powders out there than could push the speed even further. N540 shot extremely fast for me the one time I tried it, XBR was also reported to have high velocity. I tend to run mine more in the 3000 - 3080 range since that's plenty performance for me and I'd rather extend barrel life. Although I haven't tried a 22 Dasher yet it seems to have a few more grains of capacity than I need for a 22 cal. What's your velocity goal with the Dasher or is there any specific reason to go with a Dasher for a 22 over a BR/BRA?
 
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I went with a 0.255" neck to avoid turning necks. Both Alpha and Lapua brass measure 0.251" loaded from memory. So the 0.255" neck works with either and avoids the need to turn necks.

I've used Lapua before and the current brass I'm shooting is Alpha. With either brand I start with a 6 BR case and fire form it with a false shoulder and jammed round to my BRA chamber. For 22 Dasher I'm not sure which route I'd go. I've read someone say they only necked down Alpha 6 Dasher brass and then fired it and shot it like normal. However I'm not sure if that would work well with every 22 Dasher reamer. If your working with Manson ask the person designing your reamer what brass they recommend to start with. I'd guess Ray is probably designing the reamer and I expect he could give you a better starting point with brass than me for that specific reamer.

However if I had to speculate, I'd guess necking down 6 Dasher brass should work fine because the shoulder angle isn't changing so I'd expect the current 6 Dasher shoulder remains in place. My BRA is a whole different situation since the shoulder angle changes while the neck diameter also changes compared to the parent case which results in the shoulder location moving and requiring more jamming to fire form.

Also I should add:
22 BRA with an 85.5gr Berger LRHT, Alpha Brass, and Varget can achieve around 3150 in a 26" barrel and I start to get cratered primers and some heavy bolt lift pushing past 3200 FPS. I also think there's powders out there than could push the speed even further. N540 shot extremely fast for me the one time I tried it, XBR was also reported to have high velocity. I tend to run mine more in the 3000 - 3080 range since that's plenty performance for me and I'd rather extend barrel life. Although I haven't tried a 22 Dasher yet it seems to have a few more grains of capacity than I need for a 22 cal. What's your velocity goal with the Dasher or is there any specific reason to go with a Dasher for a 22 over a BR/BRA?
You would be correct about Ray designing the reamer. Although it's not me in contact with him. My brother is in talks with him about it. Currently it's drawn up with a .253" neck. He says that should be fine, no turn with lapua brass. Seems a little tight to me. I was leaning towards at least. 254-.255 myself. I used to shoot a 243AI so I'm familiar with the different methods of fireforming.

After considering what you said about your freebore I'm thinking about .130" now. Or, or, I may go shorter yet and get a throating reamer in case I want to chamber one for lighter bullets down the road. Not sure. I for sure don't think we want to be out there at .210" though.

As to why dasher ? I like shorter barrels running suppressed. Just finished two 6 dashers, one at 22" for myself, and one at 21" for a friend of mine.

This 22 will be for my brother, though I may build myself one down the road. He was looking at doing a 22 arc before I built these dashers. Instead of having his bolt face opened up he opted to just buy another bolt and go dasher instead.
 
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The short 22 Dasher build sounds like a fun project. I've been happy with the .255" neck but Ray's probably right and a .253" would work but be tight. However I like the extra little bit of clearance and .255" or even .254" would be my pick.

The 85.5gr LRHT are also jump tolerant so maybe don't be too concerned about a little bit of jump (but don't go wild and get the .210".)
 
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