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Euro Optic shipping procedures SUUUUCK!

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    So, I know Euro Optic is a decent company, but the way they do their shipping now basically removes me from being able to buy from them ever again unless I am buying something under $500.

    Here’s the facts. I bought a Leupold Freedom 4-12x40 30mm side focus CDS tri-moa, scope and a couple other things that totaled over $500. The scope was a blemish for a good price, so I thought I would give it a try and see if it would track well enough out to 600 yards for hunting since it’s quite a bit lighter than the VX-5’s. Well, at that price, they ship UPS and require an adult signature. If you check the box to not have an adult signature, they their policy is basically no fault to them if UPS never delivers the package and loses it, you’re just out the money. There’s no one that can sign for this until next Tuesday, but I’m was thinking with UPS My Choice, I can have it held at a pick up location and grab it when I get home. NOPE! Not an option. I called UPS and they can’t even change it. It can’t be held, it can’t be rerouted to a friend, it can’t be delayed one day, they will only try to deliver three times then ship it back, no other options. Even if I was going to be home to sign for it, who has time to sit on the porch with a 6 pack waiting on a brown truck? I sure don’t. I called Euro Optic and they can’t even change it. Their contract with UPS sucks; they need to use FedEx as primary instead as I could have routed it to a FedEx store. Apparently UPS won’t route to UPS stores. Euro told me UPS closed all their pick up locations which leads me to the though, why am I paying UPS for My Choice if there are no choices offered?? That’s the next call.

    Oh well, UPS will try delivering Thursday, Friday, and Monday, then ship it back. It’s probably the scope gods looking over me and telling me the Freedom with CDS won’t track and I should go be poor somewhere else and go to the gym more to carry the 5 extra oz of the VX-5. Euro told me they could reship it with no signature required for an additional charge. I said, no thanks, I’ll take a refund. No signature required means UPS can loose it and I’m out the money; no thanks; I also don’t think in that situation Euro should shoulder the loss either; if UPS loses it, UPS should shoulder the loss. Once UPS picks up the package from Euro, Euro’s liability with it should end.

    Despite the fact Euro has a good reputation, their shipping policy with UPS is so problematic, when there is no one around the house during the day, that I can’t do business with them. If you choose to order from them, do so with the knowledge that they will only ship to the address on the credit card, they will required a signature, and there’s no way to redirect to a friend, business, UPS pick up location, nor UPS store. So if you, like me, travel for work, or don’t have time to sit out front with a 6 pack, you may want to order from somewhere else that offers better flexibility.

    Rant over. I keep telling myself that scope is junk even at blemished prices and it would have only caused me trouble.

    *** Ok, before you jump to conclusions, as a few have done, which may not be those I’m trying to communicate, skip to post #63 for the summary. ***
     
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    SportOptics is/was the same with their UPS shipments so not an uncommon thing.
    You sure about not being able to redirect to a UPS Store? Seems like I had to do that with the last thing I bought from EuroOptic, did the change on the UPS My Choice page (registration required).
     
    You sure about not being able to redirect to a UPS Store? Seems like I had to do that with the last thing I bought from EuroOptic, did the change on the UPS My Choice page (registration required).

    The shipper can specify that a package cannot be redirected when generating the label. This applies to both FedEx and UPS.

    As was mentioned you used to be able to hold non-redirectable packages at the nearest UPS terminal/hub with a customer counter for signature and pickup, but since UPS is closing all customer counters at their hubs/terminals that is no longer an option. At this time a UPS store is considered a different delivery address and thus you can't redirect any packages there if the shipper flagged the shipment as not able to be redirected.

    You may want to see if you can specify a specific redelivery date with UPS, that used to be an option... but not sure if you can do that anymore or if there is now an extra cost attached.

    As if not allowing individuals without a signed FFL firearm and firearm parts shipping agreement to send anything gun related though UPS other than an optic wasn't annoying enough...
     
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    SportOptics is/was the same with their UPS shipments so not an uncommon thing.
    You sure about not being able to redirect to a UPS Store? Seems like I had to do that with the last thing I bought from EuroOptic, did the change on the UPS My Choice page (registration required).

    I have My Choice and with this shipment it offered no options at all. I called UPS and they couldn’t do anything either, not even change the delivery date to next Tuesday when I’m home. Euro told me they don’t redirect to UPS stores anymore nor their hubs. I guess that’s a more recent change. Sounds like UPS doesn’t want business from people like us; kind of strange.
     
    I can explain why Euro and others do this if anyone wants to know.

    Kent

    I'm guessing it's fraud related, but would appreciate your industry take on the matter.

    I do know that UPS procedures for firearms parts shipping changed substantially a couple of years ago, to ship anything firearms related other than an optic now requires an FFL shipping agreement with them. Even sending a $5 molded plastic AR grip falls under that new terms of service.
     
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    I would like to know. I’m guessing it’s due to theft and the fact they won’t let us hang thieves anymore nor even go after them; they make us suffer. Is that the short story?
    Pretty much.

    Optics are the category fraud people target. Every day we fight it. So do others of course. Several years ago we had someone need to "hold" a ZCO at the shipping facility because they could not be home to sign for it. These shipping facilities are not run by people who are going to say no much so some guy ( not the customer who purchased the scope ) came in and and said he was picking up a package for his bestie so the shipping person happily handed over the scope. Scope gone. Purchaser says they never got it so charge back happens and we are out the scope and the money so no more redirecting.

    Scopes are easy to resell and not tracked like cans or firearms to that is what all the scammers target.

    Kent
     
    Can you explain why it costs $26.18 to ship a brick of SK Rifle Match?
    It is loaded ammo so it requires an adult signature which is $8 by itself. So the actual shipping charge is only $16 or so which still seems high, but it depends on how far it is going and how much it weighs.
     
    It is loaded ammo so it requires an adult signature which is $8 by itself. So the actual shipping charge is only $16 or so which still seems high, but it depends on how far it is going and how much it weighs.
    How does PSA get around this? They charge $9.99 with no signature on ammo.


    Edit: Looks like this is a FedEx requirement?
     
    How does PSA get around this? They charge $9.99 with no signature on ammo.
    That is a great question I cannot answer. I get asked that a lot and I know I have ordered ammo from Midway with no signature. Honesty I think a lot of things factor into it like liability exposure and individual states views. Now that Colorado has turned blue we have to follow every rule and law carefully while other folks may not have to.
     
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    That is a great question I cannot answer. I get asked that a lot and I know I have ordered ammo from Midway with no signature. Honesty I think a lot of things factor into it like liability exposure and individual states views. Now that Colorado has turned blue we have to follow every rule and law carefully while other folks may not have to.
    I understand, just sucks paying $145 for a $100 box of ammo.
     
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    I understand, just sucks paying $145 for a $100 box of ammo.
    Yep.

    I have a 458 SOCOM I love and have to feed it through the mail because we do not carry it here.

    What really sucks is powder with the hazmat fee. That gets sporty in a hurry.
     
    Pretty much.

    Optics are the category fraud people target. Every day we fight it. So do others of course. Several years ago we had someone need to "hold" a ZCO at the shipping facility because they could not be home to sign for it. These shipping facilities are not run by people who are going to say no much so some guy ( not the customer who purchased the scope ) came in and and said he was picking up a package for his bestie so the shipping person happily handed over the scope. Scope gone. Purchaser says they never got it so charge back happens and we are out the scope and the money so no more redirecting.

    Scopes are easy to resell and not tracked like cans or firearms to that is what all the scammers target.

    Kent

    Wow. I'd say that falls on UPS for releasing the package to someone without an ID matching the recipient on the package, but good luck getting UPS to admit fault and pay up. Having dealt with their insurance before they make it as time consuming as possible hoping you give up, lol

    Whenever I held signature required packages at the local UPS hub they always required a photo ID matching the name and address on the box.
     
    I understand the shipping policy.

    I had a scope sent to me that I purchased from a large retailer on Gunbroker (it was a discontinued item, but NIB). I never got it... the FedEx driver let someone else who said that they knew me sign for it at NOT MY ADDRESS. At least the driver made them show an ID and sign with their name and not mine, otherwise I'd have been F'ed.

    You'd be surprised how hard it was to get my money back on that one, but I did. I'm sure that the retailer was out the money, but at least I had all of the investigation through FedEx already handled for them to get reimbursed too since it was supposed to be signed by me and me alone.

    My last order at Eurooptic, I called and spoke with Connor about a Gunbroker item that they didn't have for sale in their online store. He simply let me pay for it over the phone and sent it my way (saving us both the Gunbroker charges). I have no issues with them.
     
    I’ve always found it easier to call them for an order. If it requires a signature, I have it shipped to work, which you can’t do on the website. Shipping and billing address have to match on some items or larger amounts.
     
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    Wow. I'd say that falls on UPS for releasing the package to someone without an ID matching the recipient on the package, but good luck getting UPS to admit fault and pay up. Having dealt with their insurance before they make it as time consuming as possible hoping you give up, lol

    Whenever I held signature required packages at the local UPS hub they always required a photo ID matching the name and address on the box.


    Man I can tell some crazy shipping stories, but I would likely get in trouble. Even when shipping companies are 100% at fault getting them to admit that and do anything about it is not easy.
     
    There are many ways around this ... type up a single word doc on your computer that says UPS in bold size 48 font across the top.

    They say I am "your full name" please leave my signature required package, here is my signature, im in a work zoom call and cant leave my desk

    Thabk you very much then print your full name, sign your name.. and tape it to your front door.

    Ive done this for years with both fedex and ups. They leave it every time...
     
    They say I am "your full name" please leave my signature required package, here is my signature, im in a work zoom call and cant leave my desk

    Thabk you very much then print your full name, sign your name.. and tape it to your front door.

    That would work if I was home, but I’m hundreds of miles away.

    If I had known there was no option to redirect to a UPS hold for pick up point, which I’ve done in the not so distant past, I would not have ordered it, or at least called to find another solution. It seems it’s a more recent development that you can’t do that. Also, sitting around waiting for the brown truck and trying to guess when it will come is not a good solution even when I am at home. You would think there would be a better solution these days where you could tell when, with a 30 min time frame, something was going to be delivered, but there’s not at UPS.

    Oh well, live and learn. Now what am I going to blame a miss on if I don’t hit an elk this fall?? My NF definitely won’t be the issue.
     
    I have been shopping elsewhere. Too many problems and “attitude” that I don’t get at Mile High and other places.
    I stopped buying from mile high because of the attitude. Last thing I bought was a complete piece of shit and messed up and should have never been shipped to me in the first place and I was told to bad you pay to ship it back. I left bad feedback and I believe it’s Diana one of the owners who made it right. I have purchased so much expensive shit from them in the past to be treated poorly. Euro optics is no better. Got a rifle with a cracked stock and was told to just send it back and was never offered any discount for the damage. Rifle was going into a McMillan so no big deal.
     
    It's actually amazing how much faith we put in shipping companies. Just personally, I have all sort of shipping horror stories. I had a Manners TCS delivered to the completely wrong address by FedEX. They took a picture of the package on the doorstep, it wasn't my doorstep. It wasn't even remotely on the same street. Luckily, I did some super sleuthing and canvassed the neighborhood looking for a porch that matched the picture and low and behold my stock was there. The look on the cat ladies face was priceless when I rang her doorbell and reclaimed my package.

    I bet Mile High and EuroOptic both have lost a shitload of money through shipping fubars. Tough proposition when most of your business is through the internet I bet. I guess the juice must still be worth the squeeze though.
     
    There are many ways around this ... type up a single word doc on your computer that says UPS in bold size 48 font across the top.

    They say I am "your full name" please leave my signature required package, here is my signature, im in a work zoom call and cant leave my desk

    Thabk you very much then print your full name, sign your name.. and tape it to your front door.

    Ive done this for years with both fedex and ups. They leave it every time...
    I have a video door bell. I have had a sigature package being delivered (Computer parts), answered the door bell from where I was and asked them to leave it and they did.
     
    I like UPS. Its Fed Ex that fucks up every shipment of mine. Every time.

    They both suck at times. The biggest problem is that they rarely take responsibility when it’s their screw up. Trying to get an insurance claim from them is near impossible which put the loss on the sender or receiver.

    The two should merge and call the new company Fedups.
     
    They both suck at times. The biggest problem is that they rarely take responsibility when it’s their screw up. Trying to get an insurance claim from them is near impossible which put the loss on the sender or receiver.

    The two should merge and call the new company Fedups.
    Throw in USPS. Not sure how they are everywhere else but here they are the worst company for loosing packages
     
    They both suck at times. The biggest problem is that they rarely take responsibility when it’s their screw up. Trying to get an insurance claim from them is near impossible which put the loss on the sender or receiver.

    The two should merge and call the new company Fedups.
    Mine are almost always hazmat deliveries. If they can't deliver to an adult signature they take it about 10 miles out of town and i have to drive to the depot and pick it up. They also leaned a bed cover I ordered up right where anyone could see it despite it was plastered with text in big letters stating "LAY FLAT DO NOT STAND ON END".
     
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    Not to brag, but I have the best ups delivery guy. I'll get a call or text if im not home or he sees me driving around.

    Now the axle i just had shipped freight was the complete opposite. Driver said it was delivered, no idea where and nobody signed for it. Just left it on the side of the road randomly. Went up and down the street and nobody seen a truck even come down the right road.
     
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    Throw in USPS. Not sure how they are everywhere else but here they are the worst company for loosing packages
    Thats sad, USPS used to be the gold standard. Quick, reliable, and cheap. Now not so much. Oklahoma City is a black hole. I've had more than one package disappear for a week or more.
     
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    One one hand shipping prices are high. On the other, Companies have contracted rates MUCH lower than you or me can get. I can send a 100LB 2x2x4 foot box 2nd day fed ex for like $40 with my wifes company account. Same thing would probably cost me $300. So alot of these companies use that "extra shipping" cost to pay for overhead or help offset their low prices. Companies like amazon pay pennies on the dollar for shipping.

    Next you have to understand until you receive the product in your hand, and even then unless they can prove it was delivered (harder than it sounds) the seller HAS to eat the cost. All those "if you dont pay insurance blah blah" boxes are bullshit. The seller is going to pay no matter what because all you have to do is a chargeback with your credit card. Unless they have concrete proof the product was delivered, they are SOL.

    There is rampant shipping fraud and credit card fraud. Thats why these companies have policies like this. Don't like it? Shop somewhere else. I needed a longer AG padded case for a rifle with a can tonight. Case costs $270 AG direct prices are high, shipping is crazy and so is taxes. Even with the 15% rebate they give to vets. So then I go to Europtic. With PRS?MIL discount its about 235 but then they add shipping and tax is back up to $300. I go to optics planet who has one in stock. Free Shipping and 13% code, then add shipping its about $235. I was going to order from them until i looked at Altus who had a cooler camo pattern and shipped it was like $245. The point is you need to price shop. Shop the vendor, the shipping costs, do they charge tax, how quick do they ship and do they actually stock what they say they do. Make a best value decision based on your needs.

    EO is a good company. In my experience if you have an issue or see something out of line call them. I was getting charged some insane shipping on a small item. Like $40. I called them and they adjusted it to $8. Mistakes happen and all these automated systems have flaws and mistakes built in. When I doubt, call the vendor and try and work something out. Most would rather get the sale and repeat customer than lose it over a few bucks. At the end of the day these are all business trying to make money. They are not your friend.
     
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    Living in the middle of nowhere where I have some horror shopping USPS stories for sure - but most of them have been compounded by Optics Fucking Planet .

    Broke my own rule and on the 4th of July ordered an optic from them because of the sale and free shipping. A Sig optic - review to follow in a few days .

    Anyhow - 17 days , 17 days to get my optic from one state away- no Optics planet held it in their wearhouse or waited for it to be dropped shipped for like 9 of those days - and then USPS took another 8 days to get a package a few hundred miles 288 miles to be exact. What the fucking fuck .
     
    So you’re not willing to roll the dice and have it delivered with no signature, but they suck because they take preventative measures to reduce fraud and theft?

    Got it.

    Nope, not even close. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    I wouldn’t have a problem with no signature except for the fact apparently UPS can lose it and it’s my loss. Typically, with an insured package, that’s not the case. So, yeah, I do have a problem with that.

    Also, Euro doesn’t suck, them using UPS sucks because there’s now no flexibility in receiving a package once it goes out with a signature required for reasons already stated. I understand them wanting to prevent theft, and knew it required a signature, but as already stated above 👆, I had no idea I could no longer have it routed to a local pick up point. That information would have been nice to know.

    The short story is, if you order a scope from Euro and you actually have a job and your wife also has a job and there’s no one at home during the day, be forewarned, there’s no way to get your package and it will be sent back. This effectively takes Euro off the places to buy list for me and others in this situation. Your only option is to go with no signature and hope that UPS doesn’t lose you package; if they do, it’s your loss, not UPS’s. According to Maggot, the only other possible option is to pay to rent a box at a UPS store and they can sign for it.

    Got it now?
     
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    I can’t count how many packages I’ve had shipped “signature required.” I only remember signing for one. It was a few bottles of wine, and recently. I was legitimately surprised when the guy put the signature pad in my hand.


    So you are saying I could get lucky and the guy might just leave it with no signature. We shall see; I’ll report back if he does.
     
    When i buy from Euro Optic I have experienced the same issues as the OP. I won't be home to sign for the packages so here is what I did. I called UPS and asked that the package be held at the shipping HUB. UPS said no . 3 delivery attempts or it will be sent back. UPS said call the shipper(Euro Optic) and ask them to change the shipping instructions so it can be left at the shipping hub for pick up. I called Euro Optic and asked them to change the delivery options so the scope could be held at the UPS shipping hub. They did. Called UPS had the scope held at the HUB for pick up.

    It's been about a year since I bought anything from Euro Optic so I don't know if their policies have changed but this has worked for me several times.

    Edit: Forgot to add that since I knew Euro Optic ships like this I called before I ordered and asked if they could put picking up at the shipping hub as an option on the shipping order. Euro Optic said no. They have to have 1 delivery attempt.
     
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    When i buy from Euro Optic I have experienced the same issues as the OP. I won't be home to sign for the packages so here is what I did. I called UPS and asked that the package be held at the shipping HUB. UPS said no . 3 delivery attempts or it will be sent back. UPS said call the shipper(Euro Optic) and ask them to change the shipping instructions so it can be left at the shipping hub for pick up. I called Euro Optic and asked them to change the delivery options so the scope could be held at the UPS shipping hub. They did. Called UPS had the scope held at the HUB for pick up.

    It's been about a year since I bought anything from Euro Optic so I don't know if their policies have changed but this has worked for me several times.

    Edit: Forgot to add that since I knew Euro Optic ships like this I called before I ordered and asked if they could put picking up at the shipping hub as an option on the shipping order. Euro Optic said no. They have to have 1 delivery attempt.

    I’ll try after they make one attempt. Euro told me the same thing so far.

    Too bad we can’t all be “conventional” like @Milf Dots and either be independently wealthy, retired, or on government handouts without a job. I guess it is unconventional to actually have a JOB these days; we are in the minority. Don’t worry, we will keep it up so all y’all who don’t work for whatever reason, won’t have to. The fact that no changes can be made to deliveries like in the near past, is not yet on Euro’s website when checking out; you would have to call UPS for that, but even they probably couldn’t tell you until after they had a tracking number. The person I talked to said it was the way Euro shipped it that prevented any changes. For the average working Joe, which is less than 50% of the populace, these policies make it hard to order from Euro, but hey, at least the policies don’t affect the majority of people these days.

    @Im2bent UPS said they would not try to deliver this on Saturday, so unfortunately it’s not an option, although in my case, this time, it doesn’t matter anyway as I’m still out of town.

    I’m just not suppose to have that scope, it must be a real lemon.
     
    When i buy from Euro Optic I have experienced the same issues as the OP. I won't be home to sign for the packages so here is what I did. I called UPS and asked that the package be held at the shipping HUB. UPS said no . 3 delivery attempts or it will be sent back. UPS said call the shipper(Euro Optic) and ask them to change the shipping instructions so it can be left at the shipping hub for pick up. I called Euro Optic and asked them to change the delivery options so the scope could be held at the UPS shipping hub. They did. Called UPS had the scope held at the HUB for pick up.

    It's been about a year since I bought anything from Euro Optic so I don't know if their policies have changed but this has worked for me several times.

    Edit: Forgot to add that since I knew Euro Optic ships like this I called before I ordered and asked if they could put picking up at the shipping hub as an option on the shipping order. Euro Optic said no. They have to have 1 delivery attempt.

    I’ll try after they make one attempt. Euro told me the same thing so far.

    Too bad we can’t all be “conventional” like @Milf Dots and either be independently wealthy, retired, or on government handouts without a job. I guess it is unconventional to actually have a JOB these days; we are in the minority. Don’t worry, we will keep it up so all y’all who don’t work for whatever reason, won’t have to. The fact that no changes can be made to deliveries like in the near past, is not yet on Euro’s website when checking out; you would have to call UPS for that, but even they probably couldn’t tell you until after they had a tracking number. The person I talked to said it was the way Euro shipped it that prevented any changes. For the average working Joe, which is less than 50% of the populace, these policies make it hard to order from Euro, but hey, at least the policies don’t affect the majority of people these dsys

    @Im2bent UPS said they would not try to deliver this on Saturday, so unfortunately it’s not an option, although in my case, this time, it doesn’t matter anyway as I’m still out of town.

    I’m just not suppose to have that scope, it must be a real lemon.