Bullet seating tests in vain with Semi-automatic AR-10

Solidbuilt

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Nov 10, 2024
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I just discovered something about bullet seating and "reverse" setback or "bullet jump":

When I mandrel expand my cases to .002 neck tension, and then seat my bullet with a crimp (Lee Factory die crimp), the bullet jumps forward. 005 (and higher) after I close (slam) the bolt on my AR-10!

So, all my seating tests have been in vain.

I tested several bullets this morning, all starting with a COAL of 2.8... then, after chambering the rounds, I removed them from the chamber and remeasured- all seating depths changed drastically to 2.805, 2.81, and some even higher.

I may have to change my neck tension to. 004 because the ones I tried at .003 also jumped out further.

I even gently loaded a few to make sure the chamber wasn't grabbing on extraction, and it's not.
Slamming the bolt home causes my bullet seating to change drastically at .002 and. 003 even with the crimp.

So, if I increase my neck tension to .004, which many people online recommend for semi's, then it'll take more force to seat the bullet which comes with its own slight degradation in run out and concentricity... right?

What do you guys think about all of this?
 
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I think the easiest solution would be add some more crimp rather mess with the neck tension. For a pure accuracy standpoint add more neck tension and see if you can skip the crimp step. It was my understanding that the lee factory crimp was more like a taper crimp die therefore eliminating the need for a cannelure as with a roll crimp. Am I wrong about that?
 
I think the easiest solution would be add some more crimp rather mess with the neck tension. For a pure accuracy standpoint add more neck tension and see if you can skip the crimp step. It was my understanding that the lee factory crimp was more like a taper crimp die therefore eliminating the need for a cannelure as with a roll crimp. Am I wrong about that?
The Lee Factory Crimp die does not need a cannelure.... but, it's somewhat different than a taper crimp.... its supposed to be better....
 
You have discovered that a Semi Automatic rifle is a different animal than a bolt action rifle. When the round hits the shoulder of the chamber the case stops but the inertia of the bullet keeps it moving. You really can't stop it from happening. Even cannelured bullets will move a few thousandths of an inch. You simply have to account for it.
 
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I will add that after thinking about your post you are not letting the bolt release close the bolt on the test rounds. If that is the case I would seriously recommend that you consider doing so. Not allowing the buffer spring to close the bolt means you are riding the BCG into battery. It is possible in that case that the bolt does not fully rotate closed leaving the lugs only partially engaged. In theory the hammer isn't supposed to strike the primer if this happens but that is a very fine line that I wouldn't bet on..

Also, if your seating depth is so sensitive that a 2 or 3 thousandth variation takes it out you need to look for a better seating depth.

As for neck tension, you can't realistically eliminate the bullet setting itself forward.
 
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