I've got a ATACR in the mail to me with this piece of magic in it. Very eager to put it to the test, anyone on here have any hands on experience with it, actually put to test the wind dots?
Rifle Scopes TReMoR3 Reticle is voodoo and Todd Hodnett is a witch doctor. Discuss.
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To be honest, the wind dots seem like a gimmick to me. Too many prerequisites in order to quickly use them. It's much easier to just hold MILs and send it versus trying to reinvent the wheel with some obstructive dot. I'll stick with the H59 myself in the Christmas tree reticle category.
Some might be able to put them to use, but I'd imagine moving away from the TReMoR would have it's consequences in mental retraining.
Some might be able to put them to use, but I'd imagine moving away from the TReMoR would have it's consequences in mental retraining.
My opinion was that it would act as an additional system to quickly call shots, perhaps on a hunt, without using a ballistic calculator to get an exact call like you would for insanely long target shots that you have all the time in the world to prepare for. You can always use them if need be, they are still there. The busy or obstructive reticle never bothered me in my other Horus scopes, the H27 and H58. Man I cant wait to test this thing out...
I'm not sure why I would want 38 mils of reticle elevation. How many people would ever use that much ? I'd prefer less, say 15-20 mils and just have a clearer scope picture.
I've used it in PRS and some local long range shooting. It's nice if you go from 400 to 1100 yards and know that the wind value. A 4 mph wind is one dot in the 308, so you just hold one dot and fire at either range. The rub is when you're at the bottom of the reticle trying to spot impacts, or shooting in an unstable, dynamic situation. It's very difficult to be extremely precise when you're "in between the dots" both vertically and horizontally.
I never really enjoyed it so I sold it, but it was a fun experiment.
If you're shooting prone at varying ranges at multiple targets, you might find you enjoy it. Let us know what you think!
I never really enjoyed it so I sold it, but it was a fun experiment.
If you're shooting prone at varying ranges at multiple targets, you might find you enjoy it. Let us know what you think!
Yeah, I could see the lack of precision between the dots being somewhat of an issue... I'll be sure to give it a good review from a less experienced point of view. I'm a good shot, but I'm certainly not at the same level as many of the users here, which is one of the reasons the reticle appealed to me. Thanks for the input!
Just dial to the nearest .5 mil or full mil and hold the rest. Then you can still use the wind dots extremely precisely. So if its 1.7 mils to hit target, dial .2 and hold 1.5.
I get what you are saying but think about that for a second though... you've invested in a reticle system designed for quick holdovers but to precisely use it one has to touch the turret? While you are up there you could easily just dial the full hold and forget the dots.
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I have a Tremor2 and H59, and like them both. The T-3 seems much like the, but there are some improvements on some complaints of the T-2. I hear the US Army is looking at the T-3 on their new CSASS from HK, with a S&B 3-20 scope.
The partial dialing is something ill do with any holdover reticle. With the t3 you won't ever have to dial more than +/-.2 mils. It is super fast and it still allows you to use the reticle for what its designed for with the wind dots. Unless someone makes a holdover reticle with no gaps this is something you'll have to deal with with any Christmas tree reticle. The tremor 3 is the best I've ever used followed by the kahles amr.
Lots of people who know would debate this title... he's a very good salesman we can all agree on that, not much else.
The T3 came about because the T2 was a complete failure, unfortunately it takes a while for the spell and the shine to wear off, those Ah Shucks are tricky, and with enough fog, it's hard to see the truth.
It works in some cases, but not in others, if we deployed to South America, the Philippines, or place with a lot of vegetation the Tremor and Horus would quickly be found to be lacking. As long as we fight in theses dry places they will continue to fool people into thinking the are the answer... but trust me, you can learn to do the same thing just as fast with any reticle without the clutter, or confusion.
It's bad for marksmanship, it's bad for wet or places with a lot of vegetation, it's bad when people expect one result and they don't get it, but otherwise it's just mils, and we all know mils work.
A Good Salesman, a few favors to the right people, and anything can seem like magic. But trust me, it's not what it appears, like all magic misdirection is a big part of the trick.
The T3 came about because the T2 was a complete failure, unfortunately it takes a while for the spell and the shine to wear off, those Ah Shucks are tricky, and with enough fog, it's hard to see the truth.
It works in some cases, but not in others, if we deployed to South America, the Philippines, or place with a lot of vegetation the Tremor and Horus would quickly be found to be lacking. As long as we fight in theses dry places they will continue to fool people into thinking the are the answer... but trust me, you can learn to do the same thing just as fast with any reticle without the clutter, or confusion.
It's bad for marksmanship, it's bad for wet or places with a lot of vegetation, it's bad when people expect one result and they don't get it, but otherwise it's just mils, and we all know mils work.
A Good Salesman, a few favors to the right people, and anything can seem like magic. But trust me, it's not what it appears, like all magic misdirection is a big part of the trick.
Yup. That's the biggest thing that turned me off of the Magpul DVD. Aside from Caylen's segment it was nothing more than a huge infomercial for Horus.
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He is a good salesman, and he's a hell of a lot better behind a rifle than I am. I think what appeals to me most is the apparent ease of use of his system. Like I said before I'm no pro shooter, but his system seems to offer me the capability to make some shots that otherwise I wouldn't be able to take without running the numbers in a ballistic calculator. I'll try it out and if I find it lacking I can always switch back to one of my other reticles. Even if the wind dots aren't for me, I can still use the underlying H59 with the calculator. I'm assuming you've got a boatload more experience than I do behind a precision rifle and don't need the fancy dots to make shots, lol.
No one needs dots.
The chance that your wind call/hold is off is always there. Complicating it with, 'did I do the calculation on the little dot right this time' or ' did I not hold it correctly on the dot, or was my wind call off' and not knowing which it was, isn't helping anything.
Learn and use a reticle enough to where follow up shots are a reflex (I've never had an issue with even the basic TMR reticle) and have your correct data with you for the gun, and it works 100% of the time without anything extra or if you're shooting a different rifle that doesn't have the tremor3 reticle in it.
The chance that your wind call/hold is off is always there. Complicating it with, 'did I do the calculation on the little dot right this time' or ' did I not hold it correctly on the dot, or was my wind call off' and not knowing which it was, isn't helping anything.
Learn and use a reticle enough to where follow up shots are a reflex (I've never had an issue with even the basic TMR reticle) and have your correct data with you for the gun, and it works 100% of the time without anything extra or if you're shooting a different rifle that doesn't have the tremor3 reticle in it.
he can shoot well but anyone who shoots for a living should ...
He borrows a lot of information from a lot of people and sells it as his own, especially when you consider his only real precision rifle training was one week at Rifles Only. I remember when he showed up on the scene as "Handle Bar Doc" a cowboy action shooter.
"His system" ... do you really think he developed a "system" he just borrowed stuff from a host of people and slapped his name on it ... like the BC Method stuff for wind, it was always there, computers just made it easier to demonstrate, we use it in class all the time. Having Taught at Rifles Only for 7 years, including the early T.H. Days, I can tell you what we taught as I did a lot of the original powerpoint stuff you can see where we highlighted the method, directly from the slide. He had Horus show him the stuff that the computers used in order to find short cuts.
Know your dope is the best answer, there are no shortcuts despite the sales pitch. Mils are mils and you can hold mils with any mil based reticle. Rifles Only taught this before anyone as they were the original Horus Instructors. The public was not as big as fans when it first came out, and took a lot of selling, favors and putting stuff in the right hands to push it to where it is now. The fact it works in the desert and in places like Afghanistan helped. Had our wars been some where else we'd be talking about a different reticle. It just so happens the AO played into Horus' hands and T.H. was there to take advantage of that.
I mean the entire "Top Secret" Loophole stuff was because of him trying to protect his turf, even though people have been shooting through holes since the first days of the rifle. His "formula" for this is probably the worst method to use out of all of them... you can figure it faster and easy with any app on the market by just changing the zero range to the target range. Instead we have fudged numbers.
I actually went to sniper school, even so we always stay away from tactics or trying to tell people how to operate, he has not figured that one out yet.
The world is full of good shooters, being a great shooter is hard, and even harder, is teaching people universal truths vs shortcut answer that only apply in limited context.
Agree with Frank on the whole Xmas Tree debate. Doping your rifle and practice, taken together, is a lot more effective (not to mention more fun and rewarding) than an electronic solution that may or may not result in a hit.
On the Scout site, I used the March Xmas Tree design out hunting and on a square range. It has its place but for precision accuracy at multiple ranges, a MIL based FFP and familiarity with your gear is hard to beat.
On the Scout site, I used the March Xmas Tree design out hunting and on a square range. It has its place but for precision accuracy at multiple ranges, a MIL based FFP and familiarity with your gear is hard to beat.
The reason the Tremor in all of its iterations never seemed worthwhile to me is that it's essentially a BDC reticle for windage vs the conventional BDC for elevation. A BDC presumes a specific load in specific atmospherics. Mils are mils in any atmospherics with any load, so hoping that the dots in a Tremor magically lined up with a wind formula was silly to me.
As for the Horus, or any other Christmas tree reticle being dependent on arid terrain, I totally see that point. However, if we're shooting in conditions where we can't see splash, then regardless of reticle we're not using splash to correct for follow up shots anyway. I agree that there would've been much less impetus to adopt Christmas tree reticles had splash not been factored in, and the traditional mildot/TMR reticles would likely still be the norm.
As for the Horus, or any other Christmas tree reticle being dependent on arid terrain, I totally see that point. However, if we're shooting in conditions where we can't see splash, then regardless of reticle we're not using splash to correct for follow up shots anyway. I agree that there would've been much less impetus to adopt Christmas tree reticles had splash not been factored in, and the traditional mildot/TMR reticles would likely still be the norm.
The problem is, so many people don't know what they don't know, so the sales pitch seems like magic...
Moving Chaos at Rifles Only was designed for the Horus, You shoot the mover at 400 yards, then transition to 200, 300, 550, and back to the mover before it comes back. Once the Horus training was dropped around 2003 we taught it to units with standard mil dot reticles and had 100% success rates. In fact the Army adopted a variation of this drill for their training. The fast time, which may have changed since 2011 was not completed with a Horus or any variation but with a more standard reticle.
Here I am running Moving Chaos circa 2008, head never comes off the rifle, engaging the targets no problem with a P4 reticle... it's a crappy video not sure what is wrong in the beginning but you can see how easy it is to do with a drill designed around the Horus.
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Moving Chaos at Rifles Only was designed for the Horus, You shoot the mover at 400 yards, then transition to 200, 300, 550, and back to the mover before it comes back. Once the Horus training was dropped around 2003 we taught it to units with standard mil dot reticles and had 100% success rates. In fact the Army adopted a variation of this drill for their training. The fast time, which may have changed since 2011 was not completed with a Horus or any variation but with a more standard reticle.
Here I am running Moving Chaos circa 2008, head never comes off the rifle, engaging the targets no problem with a P4 reticle... it's a crappy video not sure what is wrong in the beginning but you can see how easy it is to do with a drill designed around the Horus.
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Boy, this one flamed about as fast as I've ever seen.
The tremor 3 is the best reticle made so far. IT GIVES YOU WIND HOLDS. Take 5 minutes and match up your wind data in whatever ballistic app you have to the dots in the reticle and as long as you know what each dot represents in mph you're good. There's no further calibration required. It is definitely not just another horus reticle. and the holdover section is half the reticle thickness as all other horus reticles.
I ran the TREMOR2 for a while. The biggest hardship is spotting your misses. There are just to many little moving dots for your eye to easily pick up impacts, trace or anything. Not that a Frank needs a piss ant like me to validate what he is saying. But trust what he is saying.
Real Clever. How is that working for you?
I recently thought about switching to a T3, but choose a H59. The wind dots, in their linear fashion did not line up with my actual wind values. The situation was made even worse when you wanted to dial a bit of elevation on the turret. The T3 will work for some but it was not flexible enough for me.
Love my T3 reticle. I don't care how Frank or anyone else feels about it, because Frankly I don't give a shit. It was purchased with my hard earned money and works for me.
Seriously though, I like it and until something else comes along that is a bit more simple and less cluttered that has quick reference marks for wind similar to the T3's dots I will continue to use it. On a side note I am a scope dialer at heart. Something about dialing in elevation and wind to make a first round impact gets me harder than a 6am morning wood.
Seriously though, I like it and until something else comes along that is a bit more simple and less cluttered that has quick reference marks for wind similar to the T3's dots I will continue to use it. On a side note I am a scope dialer at heart. Something about dialing in elevation and wind to make a first round impact gets me harder than a 6am morning wood.
The problem with the T3 reticle is, if you Dial, you change the wind dot values ...
You do realize these are like a BDC (which we all know what that means) the Dots are not fixed if you dial more than 5 Mils of elevation, that is about 700 yards.
This is the problem with the T-Horus stuff on the whole, the farther out you go, the more the accuracy deviates. You start to hit the edges of the scope where distortion exists, you start to compromise your cheek weld to adjust your eyes to get on targets. If you say, we'll I will just dial you start to change the values of the wind holds ...
So please explain to me where the speed or benefit is ? Inside 700 i can do the same thing from a 100 year zero with just about any reticle, I don' t need the grid or the dots. It's not a game changer, not a verified winner, it just is... yes mils work, we know that, but it's really about training. The Horus is a good reticle to teach people on so they visualize it, but once they get it, some less cluttered is better. No too insult anyone using it, but it was always considered the lowest common denominator choice out there. The owner designed it that way, he had too much money, traveled around the world shooting big game, and didn't feel the need to practice... enter the Horus.
I'm personally not a mil dot user or someone who owns a scope with a Horus reticle. I'm not a fan of clutter. With that being said, I do like the Vortex ERB-2C reticle(& own) and I think its the most used on the PRS circuit. MOA or MRAD. The Vortex to me is the least cluttered of the christmas tree reticles to me. I have to be honest and say I have yet to optimize and use it the its fullest potential as well. I knew going into it, that it would be a scope that I would grew into. I've looked threw friends S&B with H-58 and it made my brain hurt. It works for my friends so I'm not going to discount it one bit. I also looked threw the same friends Khales K624i gen 3??? scope with some kind of Mil base christmas tree like the vortex and was really impressed(Like the vortex ERB-2C). I was jealous that it didn't come in a MOA version when I looked. I Know these Horus reticles work well for trained professionals and competitors alike or Nightforce wouldn't have purchased them. Just because they don't work for me, doesn't mean it doesn't work and thats Ok. I know when I see Todd standing shoulder to shoulder with Bryan Litz having a joint press conference @ SHOT he's the real deal and deserves the respect of peers. No magic. Pure scientific backed results and products. To each his own. What does it matter if you get the same positive result, which is hits on target. Repeatable.
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I say gimmick, with plenty of good reasons already stated. It is highly limited in its usefulness and the PRS field is full of superior reticles, even if their less dramatic names (EBR-2C, SKMR, MR2, MSR...) did not propel their designers to tactical celebrity.
However, I think the OP is spot on and the Tremor 3 is in fact voodoo. It is not widely known that Todd became a Mazatec witch doctor in the Oaxacan mountain village of Huautla de Jiménez. Voodoo is a danced religion and Todd danced the dance of small rodents in a peyote induced frenzy to earn his title. He has since had the appearance of forever trying to swallow a gray guinea pig, which he sometimes strokes lovingly as if he admires the tenacity of his prey. And I am impressed. But not so much with the Tremor 3. If you need a useful reticle with wind holds and with the number 3 in it get a 624i with the SKMR3.
However, I think the OP is spot on and the Tremor 3 is in fact voodoo. It is not widely known that Todd became a Mazatec witch doctor in the Oaxacan mountain village of Huautla de Jiménez. Voodoo is a danced religion and Todd danced the dance of small rodents in a peyote induced frenzy to earn his title. He has since had the appearance of forever trying to swallow a gray guinea pig, which he sometimes strokes lovingly as if he admires the tenacity of his prey. And I am impressed. But not so much with the Tremor 3. If you need a useful reticle with wind holds and with the number 3 in it get a 624i with the SKMR3.
LOL yes, I do realize that when I dial the dots change value. 5 mils the become .5 value and 10 miles .25 value. I completely understand how the system works and rather enjoy using it the way it is. I do not dial 5 mils unless I am shooting multiple targets further out, and have never dialed 10 mils into it. I have used it for precision work on half moa plates out to 1350 yards and did just fine. I have used it in many match settings as well as a few PRS matches and rather enjoyed using it. At the first outback precision match I was using this very reticle to compete for stage prizes handed out based off highest score with fastest time. Unfortunately I did not land any of these prizes, but I was right there top 5 highest points fastest times on many stages. So for my shooting ability I feel I did well with it and the 90 second par course times the entire match. I did not come close to winning, but that was not the goal for my first PRS match.
I understand that YOU do not need the dots or the grid as you put it, but I am very thankful that I do not live my life by what YOU need and don't need. It is not a game changer, but I know many top notch shooters who have been using it in the PRS and outside of the PRS to much success. I don't care what others think about the reticle and how it is considered the lowest common denominator choice available. Like I said I really don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about it, because I like it and it works for me.
The speed aspect works much the same as the speed aspect of David Tubbs Reticle minus the elevation BDC. I would much prefer a simple .2mil vertical and horizontal stadia with the dots moving out ever .5 mil, but since that is not available I am simply using what is. I have been using this reticle for a year now and have no intentions on changing now or anytime soon. This thread will not convince me and neither can you. You can try to convince everyone that this reticle is garbage, but there will always be someone that thinks otherwise just like myself and many others already do.
Now as to my comment about loving to dial. I do not dial with this scope, the most this scope is dialed is the 5 mils needed when extending the range on very few stages. The scopes I like to dial are equipped with reticles like the MSR, P4L, TMR, Mil Dot just to name a few.
Funny, some cry baby ran to facebook, did my opinion hurt a feeling or two... been the same opinion for 10 years now, LOL
Honestly who cares what you use, it is what it is, and reticles are no different than asking a person what their favorite color is. There are certain truisms that don't change, and you can easily see who goes with the wind and who focuses on solid fundamentals. Mils work, we know this, but the brain also likes defined points vs grids, we don't do as well given the choices under stress. A defined aiming point is why crosshairs are just that, crosshairs. Grids were for machine guns, that spiderweb reticle on the anti craft guns are the exact same thing as a Horus. When the plane crosses into a certain portion of the web, pull the trigger.
It's about the "why" if you can't answer that, well, ain't got much for ya.
Honestly who cares what you use, it is what it is, and reticles are no different than asking a person what their favorite color is. There are certain truisms that don't change, and you can easily see who goes with the wind and who focuses on solid fundamentals. Mils work, we know this, but the brain also likes defined points vs grids, we don't do as well given the choices under stress. A defined aiming point is why crosshairs are just that, crosshairs. Grids were for machine guns, that spiderweb reticle on the anti craft guns are the exact same thing as a Horus. When the plane crosses into a certain portion of the web, pull the trigger.
It's about the "why" if you can't answer that, well, ain't got much for ya.
Great.
Keep it up then... Right up.
[Gets up from airplane seat]
Now a question of etiquette; as I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch...?
Thread is already derailed so might as well carry on. You mentioned those Magpul videos and I thought of this: One of the best spoofs out there. 1:16 in specifically made me laugh many years ago - and today as well.
They brought Caylen in a for a reason, before that DVD was released, they called me in because 1/2 the place disagreed with what was said. I had 3 pages of notes and they totally edited the shit out of what was considered his hardcore sales pitch for all things Larue and horus. Honestly there is more bad stuff in there than people realize because, "They don't know what they don't know"...
I see Caylen here and there alot and he considers that video a bane in the existence of Magpul Core training. What he had to endure behind the scenes was pretty bad. T.H. does a lot of underhand shit behind the scenes trying to protect his turf... very emperor has no clothes, or pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Which is part of my personal issue.
But speaking of VOODOO... and this is important because this video I pulled out is from Rifles Only, we shot this around 2010, 2011 time frame and Jacob specifically mentions Voodoo, and this was as direct response to this idea what was being promoted was magic. In fact I had the FBI called on me by T.H. over this stuff... fact. I recently saw that agent at Shot show and he agreed with me after all this was said and done.
No Voodoo ... trust me.
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I see Caylen here and there alot and he considers that video a bane in the existence of Magpul Core training. What he had to endure behind the scenes was pretty bad. T.H. does a lot of underhand shit behind the scenes trying to protect his turf... very emperor has no clothes, or pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Which is part of my personal issue.
But speaking of VOODOO... and this is important because this video I pulled out is from Rifles Only, we shot this around 2010, 2011 time frame and Jacob specifically mentions Voodoo, and this was as direct response to this idea what was being promoted was magic. In fact I had the FBI called on me by T.H. over this stuff... fact. I recently saw that agent at Shot show and he agreed with me after all this was said and done.
No Voodoo ... trust me.
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I think it really says something about the quality of people we have on the board today when Lowlight can get a "dislike" for telling the simple truth. I understand some people become invested in a product and get emotional about it. But the simple fact is that a lot of people are selling us crap we don't need. I appreciate when someone points out the crap so I can save some money.
I still anyone else having fits getting Jacob's video to play? I'm now at attempt 25, minimum,and the farthest I've made it is about 5:30 or so into it. Most of the time it won't load at all. Anyone have a different link I could try?
I was having the same issue earlier but I just let it buffer in the background. It appears to be good now.
Never run into this particular issue before: if I click on the video it instantly drops me to the bottom of the page. Anytime I touch the video link it does the same thing. I have to enlarge it to full screen instantly and then pray it loads. Thus far it has failed to load at all well over 20 times and has only partially loaded another 10 times or so. Part of that may just be BS Internet, but the fact that it keeps booting me off the video link makes me wonder what compatibility issue or whatever I may have going on.
Perhaps it's that damn voodoo we're talking about.
I have never understood this big secrecy behind loophole shooting. Multiple forums out there throw the terms OPSEC and loophole around like it's something that was only taught to SOG members. To a degree it doesn't even need taught, just understood as Jacob covered in the video.
Weird. I am using Safari at the moment. I was using Firefox earlier. What does it do for you in a different browser? Chrome perhaps...
I'm using chrome and the video ran just fine the whole way through. No buffering.
Using Chrome here, also. No issues.
Only problem with the video i had was trying to view it on a mobile device. I was able to view it without any problems via chrome on my laptop. Great video but, I thought that info was highly classified information...
No, not at all. That's the point of the video and what Jacob is stressing. It's simply the bullet path versus line of sight at certain distances. Nothing crazy, nothing secret. It's just a simple understanding of math and ballistics. The secret "formula" everyone boasts is not that secret at all for paper solving. It's a piece of cake on virtually any electronic ballistic solver.
That comment was made tongue in cheek...
I finally got it. I have done nothing but let that video buffer since my last post. I guess I really wanted to see that magic Voodoo.
And FWIW, I attended an Accuracy 1st course where the instructor specifically stated that they would not discuss or teach the loophole outside of vetted courses or whatever.
I'm with you. Glad you got the video to play also.
I can definitely see that being an advanced course. I wouldn't agree with their credentials verification. I need LE/MIL credentials in order to get taught math? People typically glorify (or fear) what they do not understand.
Then again, if someone really wanted to learn it they would do their own research and just take a few minutes to think about what's going on after the bullet leaves the barrel, what gravity is doing, etc. A target, a piece of cardboard or plywood with varying size holes cut in it - practice, done.
It's not different than anything else "supposedly restricted". No one will teach the recipes for Semtex or PETN either - well except for YouTube and a little Google Fu.
I can definitely see that being an advanced course. I wouldn't agree with their credentials verification. I need LE/MIL credentials in order to get taught math? People typically glorify (or fear) what they do not understand.
Then again, if someone really wanted to learn it they would do their own research and just take a few minutes to think about what's going on after the bullet leaves the barrel, what gravity is doing, etc. A target, a piece of cardboard or plywood with varying size holes cut in it - practice, done.
It's not different than anything else "supposedly restricted". No one will teach the recipes for Semtex or PETN either - well except for YouTube and a little Google Fu.
Loop hole shooting....just look down the barrel... duh!!!!!!
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But speaking of VOODOO... and this is important because this video I pulled out is from Rifles Only, we shot this around 2010, 2011 time frame and Jacob specifically mentions Voodoo, and this was as direct response to this idea what was being promoted was magic. In fact I had the FBI called on me by T.H. over this stuff... fact. I recently saw that agent at Shot show and he agreed with me after all this was said and done.
No Voodoo ... trust me.
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Frank, I trust you. And I trust most memories of my junior year of high school. But as they say, trust but verify. So after getting past my what the fuck is wrong with this guy that he would call the FBI over this, I verified my memory by Googling the table of contents of 5 different high school physics texts. Yup, projectile motion is either the first topic, or very near the top of the list. Line sight is also there. If Jacob were to be teaching this physics chapter in his local south Texas high schools I suspect every student would carry forward the lesson for the rest of their lives and apply the lesson to throwing a baseball from 3rd to 1st high enough to clear the head of runner who failed to tag up yet still land near the 1st baseman's chest, or firing a wrist rocket from a tree fort window at the dickhead down the street who had to throw an egg at your older sisters car after his piece of shit friends toilet papered it. But I digress. That is how great teachers affect their students.
Leave the voodoo to those who may take to heart the words of Marie Leveau or Rod Serling. I don't discount the entertainment value, but for the real world I find math, and mils in particular, more reliable.
I can only imagine T.H. sitting up all night amid scattered chicken bones, his gopher goatee illuminated by the light of a dozen flickering candles while plotting evil for the spirit of Lowlight as he sways to the pelvic thrusting grooves of Rob Zombie pounding through a pair of blown sub-woofers... [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"http:\/\/vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net\/pirates\/images\/c\/c1\/Voodoo_doll.jpg\/revision\/latest?cb=20100526101051"}[/IMG2]
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The reason loophole shooting isn't taught to everyone is to keep the technique from being available readily to the people we fight. It's simple math, yes, but manufacturing hme is simple chemistry.
Its really not a slight to anyone. It's the same reason our forces won't teach a foreign partner force all the ttps used in cqb. You don't want a country or local force to be as competent as you, ever. So sometimes the refinement of certain skills is left out.
Its really not a slight to anyone. It's the same reason our forces won't teach a foreign partner force all the ttps used in cqb. You don't want a country or local force to be as competent as you, ever. So sometimes the refinement of certain skills is left out.
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