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Sig Sauer - KILO3000 BDX LASER RANGEFINDING BINOCULARS

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    I see KILO3000 BDX LASER RANGEFINDING BINOCULARS posted for preorder on various sites.

    Kilo300 Binos

    Don't see them listed yet at Sig's site.

    Anyone have any info? Have been very happy with their rangefinders and excited about the possibility of decent binos with same lrf capabilities.
     
    Brownell's shows two models, the difference being Class 3R and Class 1M, does anyone know what is the difference between the two lasers and why you would choose one over the other?

    I found the following information, thought I am not sure if it tells me what I want to know - https://www.rli.com/resources/articles/classification.aspx
    • Class 1M lasers have wavelengths between 302.5 nm and 4000 nm, and are safe except when used with optical aids (e.g. binoculars).
    • Class 3R lasers range from 302.5 nm and 106 nm, and is potentially hazardous but the risk is lower than that of Class 3B lasers. The accessible emission limit is within 5 times the Class 2 AEL for wavelengths between 400 nm and 700 nm, and within 5 times the Class 1 AEL for wavelengths outside this region.
    With the Class 1M what does it mean "safe except when used with optical aids (e.g. binoculars)"? Does that mean if someone happens to be looking at you through binoculars when you are using the ranging function (emitting the laser) then it could be damaging? For ranging animals for hunting, is it better to have higher wavelength or lower, or does it matter? Likewise for ranging non-game like steel/paper targets, etc. is there an advantage to one laser over another?

    As I investigate this further I think I'm answering my own questions, after reading the PDF on the Kilo 2200 LRF I think I found my answers - https://www.sigsauer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SIG-KILO2200-2000C1M-Manual.pdf

    The Class 3R version appears to be for North America while the class 1M is their "Export" model meant for the European market. It could be that European laws restrict certain laser classes, but the gist of it appears to be that for the Class 1M (Export) model you may see a minor performance drop of about 200 yards on trees and deer hide vs the Class 3R version.
     
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    ... Those specs don't look correct. No way these weigh 4 oz and are powered for 20,000 hours on a 2032 battery ...
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    Oh my ... those guys must have been smokin some good stuff !!! ;)
     
    anybody have any more info, Do they run just like the 2400 ABS or do they have to be paired with the optic. They want people to pre order but give very little info and no reviews unless I'm completely missing something
     
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    The big question I have is if the binos, will work like the range finders and update the kestrel in real time. I found a video on YouTube from applied ballistics that was talking about the BDX range finders being limited to 800-yards due to using an AB lite program, but could output to an "elite" engine like a kestrel elite or garmin.

    Sig BDX External Demonstration

    This is a video showing a bdx range finder linked to a kestrel, and then ranging targets out past 1000, and it would update the solution in the kestrel immediately. If you could do that with the binoculars as well, you could have the best of both worlds, 10x (instead of 7x) for ranging and field of view, have a decent set of binoculars for spotting and field use, and if you already have the kestrel all your shooting solutions based on your data at your fingertips. If you can differentiate targets in the kestrel while ranging, and then go to the target card menu, this makes the binos a no-brainer!!!!!
     
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    If the binos use the 2400 AB engine , I'll buy a pair.....if they're intending to use the BDX system with the dumbed down version of AB -they it'll be lacking for my shooting needs.
     
    The Binoculars seem expensive enough for the full AB solver but if they don't have it, your Kestrel will.

    I think the bigger limitation is the amount of drop the reticle can do in the initial offering of BDX scopes. I'm thinking I'll need multiple different "rifles" for standard zero, and long range zeros that I can dial to that will give me more drop in the reticle.
     
    PDXGS said:
    If the binos use the 2400 AB engine , I'll buy a pair.....if they're intending to use the BDX system with the dumbed down version of AB -they it'll be lacking for my shooting needs.
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    this is what im hoping for also...
     
    PDXGS said:
    If the binos use the 2400 AB engine , I'll buy a pair.....if they're intending to use the BDX system with the dumbed down version of AB -they it'll be lacking for my shooting needs.
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    I'm not sure what you're asking, the Bino's are called the Kilo 3000BDX, so with "BDX" in the name and in the spec's of the unit, I thinks it's safe to say they have the dumbed down AB Light as they're calling it and not the full AB. The price also reflects this, Sig Kilo 2400AB goes for $1400 while the Sig Kilo 3000BDX binos are listed at $1200 - more glass for less money means they had to cut costs somewhere else, in this case it is the AB Light engine.

    But what are you missing with AB Light, no Coriolis and no spin drift... Frank has demonstrated time and again that the margin of error with Coriolis and spin drift will not affect the majority of long distance shooting, in fact, he recommends to turn these functions off on your ballistics software; can anyone truly say that with either of these turned on they've shot better than when they were turned off? I'm not saying it's not the case but I'm curious if anyone has actually validated better results with them turned on? What if you have a left hand twist barrel that negates some of the affect... I suppose my point is this, I think the AB Light will be more than usable for the majority of shooters and if you feel you must have Coriolis and spin drift, then go ahead and pay the extra money for full AB as I'm sure Sig will soon have a set of LRF Bino's that include full AB.
     
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    wjm308 said:
    I'm not sure what you're asking, the Bino's are called the Kilo 3000BDX, so with "BDX" in the name and in the spec's of the unit, I thinks it's safe to say they have the dumbed down AB Light as they're calling it and not the full AB. The price also reflects this, Sig Kilo 2400AB goes for $1400 while the Sig Kilo 3000BDX binos are listed at $1200 - more glass for less money means they had to cut costs somewhere else, in this case it is the AB Light engine.

    But what are you missing with AB Light, no Coriolis and no spin drift... Frank has demonstrated time and again that the margin of error with Coriolis and spin drift will not affect the majority of long distance shooting, in fact, he recommends to turn these functions off on your ballistics software; can anyone truly say that with either of these turned on they've shot better than when they were turned off? I'm not saying it's not the case but I'm curious if anyone has actually validated better results with them turned on? What if you have a left hand twist barrel that negates some of the affect... I suppose my point is this, I think the AB Light will be more than usable for the majority of shooters and if you feel you must have Coriolis and spin drift, then go ahead and pay the extra money for full AB as I'm sure Sig will soon have a set of LRF Bino's that include full AB.
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    800 yd cap is of more concern

    https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/sig-bdx-ab-external-demo.6889095/#post-7080656

    in this thread it says the 3000bdx can run in external mode by pairing to a kestrel in order to pull the 800+ yd firing solution...but im not as excited with worrying if the kestrel and binos are paired vs just having the solution in the binos (like my kilo2400)
     
    morganlamprecht said:
    800 yd cap is of more concern

    https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/sig-bdx-ab-external-demo.6889095/#post-7080656

    in this thread it says the 3000bdx can run in external mode by pairing to a kestrel in order to pull the 800+ yd firing solution...but im not as excited with worrying if the kestrel and binos are paired vs just having the solution in the binos (like my kilo2400)
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    If you feel you must have the ballistic solution inside the binos for beyond 800y then I understand the 3000BDX is not for you; however, for others there is the option to pair with a Kestrel or Garmin 701 with full AB, the binoculars themselves are able to range well beyond 800y (I thought I saw a stat somewhere but cannot find what the theoretical limit is) without a ballistic solution, thus they would be able to share with Kestrel/Garmin the distance and allow the external device to come up with a solution beyond the 800y limit. If you have to use the Kestrel anyway for wind, then what's the harm in getting the solution out of the Kestrel vs. inside the Bino? I'm still getting up to speed on all this technology and I don't shoot competitions so maybe there is a real world advantage to the bino having it all. For individual shooters (not having a spotter) the "ideal" solution seems to be something with the LRF built into the scope itself and the ability to link to a Kestrel or weather meter but to be able to see the solution right in the scope, maybe something like the Revic and a Wilcox Raptar and Kestrel and working in tandem; the Swarovski dS comes close but not close enough in my opinion, it will be interesting to see what technologies make it to the civilian world for long range shooting in the near future.
     
    An all-in-one unit is what Im seeking....Sig is close with the 2400.
    I don't need two weather stations, calculators or more crap to carry.
    I compete on occasion... and I need fast solutions past 800yds.
    Sig ElectroOptics is founded and lead by hunters. Not competition shooters.
    The BDX will suit hunters just fine.
     
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    Next question, Will the 3000BDX give firing solutions out to 800-yards internally, and export beyond to the kestrel, or once you switch to the AB-elite mode will you lose all solutions internally to the binos, and only have to rely on the kestrel? It would be great for field matches to range out to the 800 yard limit and get all your dope internally, and then only have to check the kestrel for 800+.
     
    sasquatch98226 said:
    Next question, Will the 3000BDX give firing solutions out to 800-yards internally, and export beyond to the kestrel, or once you switch to the AB-elite mode will you lose all solutions internally to the binos, and only have to rely on the kestrel? It would be great for field matches to range out to the 800 yard limit and get all your dope internally, and then only have to check the kestrel for 800+.
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    Good question, I'd be curious what the answer is to this as well. Even better it would be nice to see them remove the 800y limitation altogether, it's like putting a speed limiter on a Corvette
     
    the problem with a complete stand alone system (like the kilo2400) is the inability to get a shooting solution for a known range. So for me, I will never be without a kestrel for that reason. So, I would want a simpler device that had great glass and range finding that communicated that info the kestrel, and then back. The bushnell elite had the best setup I believe, but they fell horribly short on the LRF performance. If someone could do something similar in a bino that could range out to what the leica 2700 is doing I think it would be a homerun
     
    Feh, I use a DOPE card derived from the AB app using the same info programmed into the 2400 as backup.
    If necessary, I can refer to the dope card for a given temp range,
    What sucks is trying to juggle 2 devices in a time crunch with multiple target/solutions.
     
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    I think the BDX reticle can light multiple dots so if you can range all the targets, you don't necessarily need to juggle after you're on the scope.

    Also, for an 800+ yard shot I figure I'm going to be able to range it, get a Kestrel reading (before or after) and not be terribly rushed.

    If I was trying to do quick draw 1,000 yard shooting, I might need something better.
     
    Just got off the phone with a contact at Sig, did not see these questions before we chatted, but if I understand correctly what you are asking, here are the answers. If not, let me know and I can probably get more info direct from Sig.

    The following applies ONLY to the 2400 and 3000 BDX. Stand alone, you range and out to 800 yards, they will give you a 'lite' solution that does not take into account higher level influences on your shot (coriolis etc.). This will be displayed in your RF or bino and the shot solution shows in your scope via highlighted dot.

    However, if you have a Kestrel with AB (Elite or Ballistics model with link), you can pair the RF or Bino to the Kestrel. When you hit the range button, the RF will talk to the Kestrel, the Kestrel will come up with a shot solution using the full AB suite (all forces considered) and will return a fully considered shot solution back the the RF/Bino where it will be displayed. The distance for this shot solution is limited only by what the Kestrel will supply, which I believe is 5k plus yards with the new firmware, not sure on that one though.

    So essentially, you have what some previous posters were hoping for, and what I personally have been hoping for for some time. It takes what Bushnell did with the Conx and improves on it. It take what the Vec X does and takes it one step further, by completing the circle, and also providing a limited backup solution onboard.

    So you can use the RF alone and get a simple solution up to 800 yards, or have your kestrel running (in your pack or whatever depending on how you want to handle the wind) and get a full solution while only having to look at one device, the RF/Bino because all data is displayed there. Sig adding the data feedback from the Kestrel back to the RF makes this a much faster and elegant solution for use in the field, and if for some reason your Kestrel goes down, or you lose it or whatever, you have AB lite onboard the RF as a backup solution, albiet limited.

    I should be getting one of these in the next couple months when they come available, looking forward to testing against my 2700, or hopefully, against Leica's response to the BDX.

    In the meantime, if you have any questions, glad to try and get answers if I can.
     
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    Just got off the phone with a contact at Sig, did not see these questions before we chatted, but if I understand correctly what you are asking, here are the answers. If not, let me know and I can probably get more info direct from Sig.

    The following applies ONLY to the 2400 and 3000 BDX. Stand alone, you range and out to 800 yards, they will give you a 'lite' solution that does not take into account higher level influences on your shot (coriolis etc.). This will be displayed in your RF or bino and the shot solution shows in your scope via highlighted dot.

    However, if you have a Kestrel with AB (Elite or Ballistics model with link), you can pair the RF or Bino to the Kestrel. When you hit the range button, the RF will talk to the Kestrel, the Kestrel will come up with a shot solution using the full AB suite (all forces considered) and will return a fully considered shot solution back the the RF/Bino where it will be displayed. The distance for this shot solution is limited only by what the Kestrel will supply, which I believe is 5k plus yards with the new firmware, not sure on that one though.

    So essentially, you have what some previous posters were hoping for, and what I personally have been hoping for for some time. It takes what Bushnell did with the Conx and improves on it. It take what the Vec X does and takes it one step further, by completing the circle, and also providing a limited backup solution onboard.

    So you can use the RF alone and get a simple solution up to 800 yards, or have your kestrel running (in your pack or whatever depending on how you want to handle the wind) and get a full solution while only having to look at one device, the RF/Bino because all data is displayed there. Sig adding the data feedback from the Kestrel back to the RF makes this a much faster and elegant solution for use in the field, and if for some reason your Kestrel goes down, or you lose it or whatever, you have AB lite onboard the RF as a backup solution, albiet limited.

    I should be getting one of these in the next couple months when they come available, looking forward to testing against my 2700, or hopefully, against Leica's response to the BDX.

    In the meantime, if you have any questions, glad to try and get answers if I can.
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    This is fantastic news if this holds true as I wasn't expecting the Kestrel/Garmin solution to feed back into the bino full info, I wonder if it will feed wind data as well or if its only elevation that displays in the readout for the bino.
     
    wjm308 said:
    This is fantastic news if this holds true as I wasn't expecting the Kestrel/Garmin solution to feed back into the bino full info, I wonder if it will feed wind data as well or if its only elevation that displays in the readout for the bino.
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    I don't know that it will work with the Garmin, I have not asked that question, only the Kestrel. From what I can see in some docs they gave me access to, it will feed wind holds right into the in RF.
     
    j741 said:
    @catorres1 That sounds perfect. Exactly what I was looking for as well.

    Is there any target street date?
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    I asked for a demo/tester and was told that the lower models would be available shortly, but the 2400 is probably August, and the 3000 is September at the moment.
     
    catorres1 said:
    I asked for a demo/tester and was told that the lower models would be available shortly, but the 2400 is probably August, and the 3000 is September at the moment.
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    I called up one online source and was told they were advised to expect them in August. I put in pre-order for the Binos & the 6.5-20 scope. Will see if the timeline holds.
     
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    Still a novice and building my kit so was intrigued by the Sig Kilo2400AB as a single RF/Wx unit eliminating the need to purchase RF and Kestrel for roughly same price. Yes, there's the 'all eggs in one basket' conundrum, but if the Kilo2400AB is reliable I'd not have to juggle other devices. This discussion identifies an impending offering that may improve on the Kilo2400AB despite requiring two devices. So, am I correct in assuming the new Sig 3000BDX (binoculars) will have RF capabilities AND Wx metering capabilities with the limitation of data only to 800 yds (though will range beyond that) and for firing solution data beyond 800 yds you simply import data from the Kestrel into the 3000BDX and you have your firing solution visible in the Sig 3000BDX binoculars. Is this correct? I don't intend on purchasing a BDX-capable scope, so would forego that feature as I'm not a hunter, although having the option is nice.
     
    catorres1 said:
    I asked for a demo/tester and was told that the lower models would be available shortly, but the 2400 is probably August, and the 3000 is September at the moment.
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    Appreciate the info. These look awesome for hunters.

    Do you know of that date is for all the new “bdx” models coming out or just the Ltd binocs?

    It looks like they are going to have some bdx kilo models as well and I’m trying to decide if I want to be frugal with the kilo haha or pony up for the binocs.
     
    Bixman said:
    Still a novice and building my kit so was intrigued by the Sig Kilo2400AB as a single RF/Wx unit eliminating the need to purchase RF and Kestrel for roughly same price. Yes, there's the 'all eggs in one basket' conundrum, but if the Kilo2400AB is reliable I'd not have to juggle other devices. This discussion identifies an impending offering that may improve on the Kilo2400AB despite requiring two devices. So, am I correct in assuming the new Sig 3000BDX (binoculars) will have RF capabilities AND Wx metering capabilities with the limitation of data only to 800 yds (though will range beyond that) and for firing solution data beyond 800 yds you simply import data from the Kestrel into the 3000BDX and you have your firing solution visible in the Sig 3000BDX binoculars. Is this correct? I don't intend on purchasing a BDX-capable scope, so would forego that feature as I'm not a hunter, although having the option is nice.
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    Yeah, basically, with the 3000 standalone, find it, range it and it will give you distance....and out to 800 yards, the onboard computer will spit out a shooting solution through it's onboard AB lite solver....different then full AB because it does not include higher level forces like Coriolis...but plenty good enough for 800 yards.

    If you have a kestrel with AB and you have it paired, it goes like this. Find it, range it and it will give you distance,....and out to 5500 yards, it will display a shooting solution in your binos that comes direct from it's link to the Kestrel....using the full AB suite...so all forces are accounted for. So as long as you have already paired them and have the kestrel running, the workflow is the same. It's just the shot solution displayed to you is being sourced from the Kestrel instead of from the onboard omputer, and so is limited only by the Kestrel's solving capabilities, which IIRC, maxes out at 5500 yards.

    Hope that was helpful and not more confusing!
     
    lawofsavage said:
    Appreciate the info. These look awesome for hunters.

    Do you know of that date is for all the new “bdx” models coming out or just the Ltd binocs?

    It looks like they are going to have some bdx kilo models as well and I’m trying to decide if I want to be frugal with the kilo haha or pony up for the binocs.
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    No, the lower models are supposed to come onto market first. I can't remember the exact dates for which models as I was really focused on the 2400 and the 3000, but IIRC, the first is set to arrive in June, I think...., then the next in July, but again, not positive on that. The 2400 is set to arrive in August, and the 3000 in September, at least that is what I was told on Tuesday.

    My impression is that they wanted to get the more economical models on to the market early so that what the bulk of the market is looking for, both in terms of RF's but also the corresponding scopes, would come out quickly and most assuredly. Then the higher end stuff, which has a smaller market, comes later.

    This is the same strategy they have with the scopes, if you want one. The first ones will be the lower priced range, with the idea of making them accessible to as many people as possible. Later, the capabilities will be rolled out to higher-end models.
     
    sasquatch98226 said:
    The big question I have is if the binos, will work like the range finders and update the kestrel in real time. I found a video on YouTube from applied ballistics that was talking about the BDX range finders being limited to 800-yards due to using an AB lite program, but could output to an "elite" engine like a kestrel elite or garmin.

    Sig BDX External Demonstration

    This is a video showing a bdx range finder linked to a kestrel, and then ranging targets out past 1000, and it would update the solution in the kestrel immediately. If you could do that with the binoculars as well, you could have the best of both worlds, 10x (instead of 7x) for ranging and field of view, have a decent set of binoculars for spotting and field use, and if you already have the kestrel all your shooting solutions based on your data at your fingertips. If you can differentiate targets in the kestrel while ranging, and then go to the target card menu, this makes the binos a no-brainer!!!!!
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    Yes they will. We will release more information in the future. But we have started to unlock some of the pages on our website about this stuff: http://appliedballisticsllc.com/products/apps/sig-sauer-bdx-app/

    Natively they function in Ultralite™ mode. But if you have a compatible device with the AB Elite™ engine in them then you will be able to get firing solutions as far as you can range.


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    Next question, Will the 3000BDX give firing solutions out to 800-yards internally, and export beyond to the kestrel, or once you switch to the AB-elite mode will you lose all solutions internally to the binos, and only have to rely on the kestrel? It would be great for field matches to range out to the 800 yard limit and get all your dope internally, and then only have to check the kestrel for 800+.
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    Once you are in external mode the firing solution appears in the bonded devices. That is the binos, external device, and scope all at once. So all 3 will update together.


    flyer said:
    I think the BDX reticle can light multiple dots so if you can range all the targets, you don't necessarily need to juggle after you're on the scope.

    Also, for an 800+ yard shot I figure I'm going to be able to range it, get a Kestrel reading (before or after) and not be terribly rushed.

    If I was trying to do quick draw 1,000 yard shooting, I might need something better.
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    You are correct. You can set up to 8 customized points. You would simply tell the scope what distance (yards or meters) that you would like, or what hold over (mil and moa choices). You can then build a custom reticle with those holds programmed in. So what you would do is laser say your 5 targets. Then go in to the scope, put those 5 distances in as the reticle points, turn on only the 5 points and go. You can turn on/off what you want up to 8 hold overs.


    j741 said:
    @catorres1 That sounds perfect. Exactly what I was looking for as well.

    Is there any target street date?
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    They are already shipping.


    wjm308 said:
    This is fantastic news if this holds true as I wasn't expecting the Kestrel/Garmin solution to feed back into the bino full info, I wonder if it will feed wind data as well or if its only elevation that displays in the readout for the bino.
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    Wind and Elevation. Its the full firing solution when being used in External Mode just as if you hand typed in the range to the Kestrel or Garmin.

    catorres1 said:
    I asked for a demo/tester and was told that the lower models would be available shortly, but the 2400 is probably August, and the 3000 is September at the moment.
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    I would expect the 3000 BDX Binos to hit around SHOT Show.


    Bixman said:
    Still a novice and building my kit so was intrigued by the Sig Kilo2400AB as a single RF/Wx unit eliminating the need to purchase RF and Kestrel for roughly same price. Yes, there's the 'all eggs in one basket' conundrum, but if the Kilo2400AB is reliable I'd not have to juggle other devices. This discussion identifies an impending offering that may improve on the Kilo2400AB despite requiring two devices. So, am I correct in assuming the new Sig 3000BDX (binoculars) will have RF capabilities AND Wx metering capabilities with the limitation of data only to 800 yds (though will range beyond that) and for firing solution data beyond 800 yds you simply import data from the Kestrel into the 3000BDX and you have your firing solution visible in the Sig 3000BDX binoculars. Is this correct? I don't intend on purchasing a BDX-capable scope, so would forego that feature as I'm not a hunter, although having the option is nice.
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    The BDX Devices only read range and inclination. They do not read atmospherics. You have three methods for solving this.

    1) You can use the BDX App: http://appliedballisticsllc.com/products/apps/sig-sauer-bdx-app/ and pull the weather from the internet.

    2) You can hand input the atmospherics you want in the app.

    3) You can pair it in external mode and use the compatible external devices sensors. At this point, the BDX device is basically feeding the range in to the compatible external device and then returning the ballistics solution that device generated. Elevation, Wind, Secondary effects etc.

    Currently only the 2400 BDX and 3000 BDX LRFs function in external mode. The 1400BDX, 1800BDX etc. are limited to AB Ultralite™. When it comes to the scopes it does not really matter.
     
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    Yes they will. We will release more information in the future. But we have started to unlock some of the pages on our website about this stuff: http://appliedballisticsllc.com/products/apps/sig-sauer-bdx-app/

    Natively they function in Ultralite™ mode. But if you have a compatible device with the AB Elite™ engine in them then you will be able to get firing solutions as far as you can range.




    Once you are in external mode the firing solution appears in the bonded devices. That is the binos, external device, and scope all at once. So all 3 will update together.




    You are correct. You can set up to 8 customized points. You would simply tell the scope what distance (yards or meters) that you would like, or what hold over (mil and moa choices). You can then build a custom reticle with those holds programmed in. So what you would do is laser say your 5 targets. Then go in to the scope, put those 5 distances in as the reticle points, turn on only the 5 points and go. You can turn on/off what you want up to 8 hold overs.




    They are already shipping.




    Wind and Elevation. Its the full firing solution when being used in External Mode just as if you hand typed in the range to the Kestrel or Garmin.



    I would expect the 3000 BDX Binos to hit around SHOT Show.




    The BDX Devices only read range and inclination. They do not read atmospherics. You have three methods for solving this.

    1) You can use the BDX App: http://appliedballisticsllc.com/products/apps/sig-sauer-bdx-app/ and pull the weather from the internet.

    2) You can hand input the atmospherics you want in the app.

    3) You can pair it in external mode and use the compatible external devices sensors. At this point, the BDX device is basically feeding the range in to the compatible external device and then returning the ballistics solution that device generated. Elevation, Wind, Secondary effects etc.

    Currently only the 2400 BDX and 3000 BDX LRFs function in external mode. The 1400BDX, 1800BDX etc. are limited to AB Ultralite™. When it comes to the scopes it does not really matter.
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    I know you are probably tired of this question, but can you give any insight as to what the future of the KILO 2400 ABS is? The app could use some major improvements and it would also be a huge benefit to let it also link directly to a Kestrel especially if the Kestrel was set up in a vane where it could feed live wind speed and direction into the equation. I realize that it would be essentially just be feeding the range to the Kestrel and then the Kestrel feeding the solution back to the LRF, but maybe the KILO 2400 ABS has a hardware limitation that just wouldn’t let it work like that. I suspect it doesn’t and it would be just a matter of a new firmware update.
     
    Palmetto-Pride said:
    I know you are probably tired of this question, but can you give any insight as to what the future of the KILO 2400 ABS is? The app could use some major improvements and it would also be a huge benefit to let it also link directly to a Kestrel especially if the Kestrel was set up in a vane where it could feed live wind speed and direction into the equation. I realize that it would be essentially just be feeding the range to the Kestrel and then the Kestrel feeding the solution back to the LRF, but maybe the KILO 2400 ABS has a hardware limitation that just wouldn’t let it work like that. I suspect it doesn’t and it would be just a matter of a new firmware update.
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    The only comment I can really make on this. Is that the current focus is on the stability and performance of the BDX line. As far as the 2400ABS and what its future holds I can only say that what you currently see is what can be discussed.
     
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    I tried to buy one, then when checking out, it said shipping not available. They must operate like Optics planet and sell things they done have.
     
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    I wish some would get out to testers so we would know if they are worth waiting on. I'm still using my old Gen 1 geovids and would like something with longer range than the 1290yds I get out of them. I was interested in the sigs because being 1/2 price of the new geovids. Also considering Terapins. There are so many coming out it's hard to decide on.
     
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    Just to confirm, the KILO2200BDX does not have the ability to link to kestrel? Looking at the specs they are identical to the 2400 and 3000 (minus ranging) and it’s $300 cheaper (what I like).
     
    Yankee88 said:
    Just to confirm, the KILO2200BDX does not have the ability to link to kestrel? Looking at the specs they are identical to the 2400 and 3000 (minus ranging) and it’s $300 cheaper (what I like).
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    That is correct, only the 2400 and 3000 can connect to a Kestrel.
     
    I hope we are going to see the Kilo 3000BDX Binoculars this year. Does anyone have an update?
     
    It says okay to back-order. Back-orders have been available for quite a while now. Hoping to hear about them actually becoming available and see some reviews. I'd like to find out how well they work with a Kestrel and Garmin Foretrex 701. I'm not planning to use one of their scopes but would like to link to the ballistic calculators.
     
    catorres1 said:
    That is correct, only the 2400 and 3000 can connect to a Kestrel.
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    Can the 2400 connect to a Kestrel? This would be welcome news to me. I’ve got a 2400ABS and so far as I’m aware it can only connect to the supplied plug-in weatherflow windmeter?
     
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