- Thread starter southerngolfer
- Start date
I've been thinking about the Bravo for my long range elk gun. What do you think of the weight? I think the website has it listed at 2.5lbs
Are we going to see that simplified spigot by the end of the year?
Just curious. I think I will have all my other parts by then.
Just curious. I think I will have all my other parts by then.
I just got a KRG bravo for my “trainer/let a friend borrow” rifle, love it so far!
You can get this buy your self and mounted too.
http://www.accu-shot.com/catalog_ne...nufacturer/94-bt21-atlas-trg-bracket-atb.html
Couple of holes to drill to the back bone alloy frame, but nothing major that you could not do.
If you have a thick barrel, then you need to milling job, but profile like that Tikka ctr is, there is no need to do it.
Man. I have been following this from the beginning and I am just frustrated as hell. Why make a chassis for a magazine that doesn't come from the factory? Is it really that hard to make a batch of 50 for the CTR mags? Needlessly adding cost for those that don't want to buy AICS pattern mags is goofy. Perhaps the R700 was the main focus from the get go and the Tikka was just an afterthought? I like what you guys have done with the KRG Bravo and would love to get one, but I like the CTR mags too much to get rid of them. They are reliable, lightweight, double stack, compact and cheaper than the AICS. Everyone with a Tikka CTR has at least one, whereas, not everyone has an AICS mag! THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO, HMMM?
It’s actually just an aluminum magpul pictanny rail, the Tripod has a RRS Anvil head so it can clamp to pictanny or Arca rails. It’s very stable with both.
That´s a good question Justin.
The work that should done to get the CTR magazine fit to any Tikka rifle chassis that use AICS magazine is not big job, but that job will cost a lot for the company that makes those chassis, no matter what the brand is.
You need to adjust the cnc machine to make a smaller batch, and that would cost extra for the chassis where this extra needs to be do.
I dont mind that i am not able to use CTR magazines in my rifles, even i have two ctr rifles, both are eating AICS magazine.
CTR magazine that comes with T3X Tikka is a bit of crappy, if i say.
Those early models of CTR, was equipped with the original Sako TRG magazines, were much better with that magazine quality, than this T3X models, that use only CTR magazine, that wont be able to use in TRG anymore, no matter what the sales guy told, T3X CTR magazine wont fit to TRG.
But TRG 21 magazine will fit to any CTR, no matter is is T3 or T3X.
And that TRG magazine is expensive, that´s all steel, not plastic bottom like the CTR model magazine now is.
And that´s the point were we are getting, that AICS magazine cost less than half that TRG magazine is, and most of the AICS magazines are working as well as the modend CTR magazine is, but it is cheaper.
Size different between TRG/OLD CTR magazine and AICS magazine is not big, and i know guys who had fitted CTR magazine to AICS magazined chassis, but i would not take that bother to do that.
Here´s MDT AICS magazine and TRG 21 magazine, these was in the CTR when they first came out.
The work that should done to get the CTR magazine fit to any Tikka rifle chassis that use AICS magazine is not big job, but that job will cost a lot for the company that makes those chassis, no matter what the brand is.
You need to adjust the cnc machine to make a smaller batch, and that would cost extra for the chassis where this extra needs to be do.
I dont mind that i am not able to use CTR magazines in my rifles, even i have two ctr rifles, both are eating AICS magazine.
CTR magazine that comes with T3X Tikka is a bit of crappy, if i say.
Those early models of CTR, was equipped with the original Sako TRG magazines, were much better with that magazine quality, than this T3X models, that use only CTR magazine, that wont be able to use in TRG anymore, no matter what the sales guy told, T3X CTR magazine wont fit to TRG.
But TRG 21 magazine will fit to any CTR, no matter is is T3 or T3X.
And that TRG magazine is expensive, that´s all steel, not plastic bottom like the CTR model magazine now is.
And that´s the point were we are getting, that AICS magazine cost less than half that TRG magazine is, and most of the AICS magazines are working as well as the modend CTR magazine is, but it is cheaper.
Size different between TRG/OLD CTR magazine and AICS magazine is not big, and i know guys who had fitted CTR magazine to AICS magazined chassis, but i would not take that bother to do that.
Here´s MDT AICS magazine and TRG 21 magazine, these was in the CTR when they first came out.
That's an MDT 10 round steel mag? Looks like the 5 round. If so, you're comparing a 5 round mag to a 10 round mag.
https://mdttac.com/products/mdt-metal-magazines-short-action
Come on now, who wants to play fair? Wanna try again viking78?
ACCURATE mag = 4.64" Rear Height > MDT mag = 3.90” Rear Height > CTR = 3.32" Rear Height.
Like it or not, AICS magazines are the standard, have been the standard, and will continue to be the standard for some time to come.
If you want this badly enough, pony up the money to fund the engineering and development time to make this happen. It most certainly isn't free and obviously KRG doesn't think that there is sufficient return on their investment to make your pet project a reality.
Money talks and bullshit walks......
Agreed.
I'd like to see a CTR option as well. KRG is probably one of the most responsive companies in the precision rifle business. But they are a business, and my guess is they've looked at what it would take to offer a CTR mag Bravo/W3/X-Ray, and they don't see sufficient demand to make a profit. Don't fault them for that.
Your argument is akin to Ford setting up the Mustang and throwing a SBC over in it, ya know, 'cause small block Chevy's are the standard, have been the standard, and will continue to be for some time to come
As for ponying up the money: If I had plenty enough to do that, I'm fairly certain I would have gone with a custom build, but you see, not everyone is independently wealthy. The KRG Bravo hit a price point I was comfortable with but once you factor in additional $$$ for a magazine, it loses it's appeal. Guess my money and I will walk on this one. Now, if you or KRG were to throw in a free AICS magazine that worked with the Tikka, maybe I'd consider it.
My argument is based on business reality, not on millennial-like whining and pouting that the world doesn't revolve around my pet rifle.Your argument is akin to Ford setting up the Mustang and throwing a SBC over in it, ya know, 'cause small block Chevy's are the standard, have been the standard, and will continue to be for some time to come
As for ponying up the money: If I had plenty enough to do that, I'm fairly certain I would have gone with a custom build, but you see, not everyone is independently wealthy. The KRG Bravo hit a price point I was comfortable with but once you factor in additional $$$ for a magazine, it loses it's appeal. Guess my money and I will walk on this one. Now, if you or KRG were to throw in a free AICS magazine that worked with the Tikka, maybe I'd consider it.
Last edited:
Good luck finding an alternative for under $400. But at least you saved money by not having to buy AICS mags.Your argument is akin to Ford setting up the Mustang and throwing a SBC over in it, ya know, 'cause small block Chevy's are the standard, have been the standard, and will continue to be for some time to come
As for ponying up the money: If I had plenty enough to do that, I'm fairly certain I would have gone with a custom build, but you see, not everyone is independently wealthy. The KRG Bravo hit a price point I was comfortable with but once you factor in additional $$$ for a magazine, it loses it's appeal. Guess my money and I will walk on this one. Now, if you or KRG were to throw in a free AICS magazine that worked with the Tikka, maybe I'd consider it.
Your argument is akin to Ford setting up the Mustang and throwing a SBC over in it, ya know, 'cause small block Chevy's are the standard, have been the standard, and will continue to be for some time to come
As for ponying up the money: If I had plenty enough to do that, I'm fairly certain I would have gone with a custom build, but you see, not everyone is independently wealthy. The KRG Bravo hit a price point I was comfortable with but once you factor in additional $$$ for a magazine, it loses it's appeal. Guess my money and I will walk on this one. Now, if you or KRG were to throw in a free AICS magazine that worked with the Tikka, maybe I'd consider it.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and some stink more than others. Just go buy some magpul aics mags. They're $35 or less and work just fine
Bro, it is the size that we are measuring, not quantity.
Of cource i know that MDT is 5-round.
I was just showing, that the size, wide and hight, not the capasity differences.
I dont think, that there would need to made a big changes for the cnc machine, that you could make that CTR model, if some one is asking one so much.
That i can tell, that is not the fact here, but you can throw MDT AICS polymer mag for CTR, but that does mean nothing.
And MDT 10-round AICS steel magazine is way smaller, than Accurte 10-rnd magazine is.
Last edited:
You can buy more than enough Magpul AICS magazines with the money you would make selling your CTR stock and magazines.
Or you can whine that not everyone caters to your every desire.
Your call.
You might tell KRG that. From their website:
"Tikka inlet accepts T3, T3x, and CTR versions. Magpul AICS polymer mags DO NOT work with Tikka actions."
Tells me that they're not 100% confident that Magpul AICS mags will work. Will they? Perhaps. I'm not gonna get something that "may" work and the company won't stand behind.
Come on 308pirate! WHERE IS MY SAFE SPACE? That's just not nice
. We all have desires and wish companies would do things one way vs another. Realistically, there isn't a better option than the KRG Bravo for the price (hell, probably even at 2x). Just wish it was compatible with the CTR mags, especially since the Tikka inlet already costs more than the 700 version!You might tell KRG that. From their website:
"Tikka inlet accepts T3, T3x, and CTR versions. Magpul AICS polymer mags DO NOT work with Tikka actions."
Tells me that they're not 100% confident that Magpul AICS mags will work. Will they? Perhaps. I'm not gonna get something that "may" work and the company won't stand behind.
Come on 308pirate! WHERE IS MY SAFE SPACE? That's just not nice
I have 3 rifles that use AICS patterned mags ranging from chassis builds, to badger DBM and a KRG bravo. Magpul AICS and metal AICS all feed perfectly. They work well enough.
unless the Magpul mags dont fit because of the feed lip shape...
They fit just fine. The only time they haven't been perfect is with a 300 wing mag and MDT Chassis. Had to trim down a small plastic tab and then they were flawless.
you've used every chassis? magpul work in every one? with the tikka action?
Nope but they work fine with just about every other gun brand. It's a known issue for Tikka owners that AICS mags aren't kosher.
Kinda what I've been discussing all morning
haha yup I remember seeing you posting about that too
Kinda what I've been discussing all morning
I forgot, Magpul's thick feedlips don't work with Tikka actions. That leaves every other brand of METAL AICS magazine out there for you (AI, Accurate Mag, Alpha Industries, MDT, KRG (probably Accurate Mag), and a few others. I bet you can buy several with what you get for selling your stock and mags.
Maybe MDT plastic mags would work. Why don't you ask them?
krg are accurate mags
Hello Gentlemen,
The CTR's are becoming more popular but they are way far from becoming the major portion of T3's out there. That said, we haven't ruled out a CTR/TRG mag specific chassis, we're just busy. We have a T3 trigger coming soon (next few months) plus some ACR precision accessories and the Fox-42 beta rifles. We just don't want to be putting out any false promises on delivery.
Thanks guys,
Justin
The CTR's are becoming more popular but they are way far from becoming the major portion of T3's out there. That said, we haven't ruled out a CTR/TRG mag specific chassis, we're just busy. We have a T3 trigger coming soon (next few months) plus some ACR precision accessories and the Fox-42 beta rifles. We just don't want to be putting out any false promises on delivery.
Thanks guys,
Justin
You bastards talked me into it. Got a KRG Bravo coming in the next few days. Now, someone please tell me who has the cheapest ACCURATE mags.
I just want one of these for a Ruger American, hopefully that feeds 300 blackout
Accurate-Mag has a laborday sale 'til 9/7. 15% off. CODE - LABORDAY18
I was looking at those earlier today. After the shipping and handling, Brownells was cheaper
Thanks, but they want $76.80 for a 5 round mag shipped. $17.40 for shipping and $5 for handling? Absurd. Yes, yes. Whining again! I'm a cheap SOB and just can't see paying that much for S&H. What year is this 1989?
Check the MDT AICS magazines too.
There is also model that does not have the binder plate.
https://mdttac.ca/collections/polymer-metal-magazines/products/mdt-metal-magazines-short-action
I'm with you. This is the reason I won't buy a KRG until they make a CTR-specific version. Probably end up with a used McMillan eventually if KRG continues to ignore CTR owners.
I agree 100% that CTRs aren't the majority of Tikkas out there, but I certainly believe they're the majority of Tikkas that are used for long range precision work. Take out the hunting rifles that most folks just shoot with factory stocks, and CTR is far and away the most popular Tikka model.
Do I fault them for making a business decision? Absolutely not. Am I going to buy a stock that forces me to pay $100 extra to go to an inferior magazine system? Not a chance.
ETA: justin - one more thing on the Tikkas - their factory barrels have a ton of freebore. If you are running something like a 6.5 CM and chasing the lands on a Tikka, you'll need one without a binder plate, and those could require having to dremel your Tikka feed ramp in order to ensure the nose of the bullet doesn't catch and bind up. Just something to keep an eye out for when you get yours all set up. Some users on here have reported not needing to modify their rifle, but it's all dependent on the freedbore in your gun, your OAL, and exactly how your mag well is cut.
Last edited:
Accurate mag vs MDT mag, both are AICS 10-rnd magazine.
But see the size difference.
But see the size difference.
haha you won't regret it. I absolutely love mine for the price. Much, much better than the magpul hunter for nearly the same cost after you guy the aics magpul mag kit.
Other than custom inletting a stock what other chassis manufacture offers the use of CTR mags?
I have no experience with tikkas but would you like to elaborate on the inferiorities if the AICS mag system compared to CTR magazines?
I'm not gonna speak for patriot07 but for me, the CTR mags feed like butter, hold 10 rounds but are a lot more compact height wise than the AICS 10 rounders, plus all CTR owners already have at least one laying around. Buying independently of the rifle itself, they are about the same cost as the AICS mags, but are getting cheaper as more hit the market. I've used AICS mags and don't find them sub-par but the compactness of the CTR mag makes for a better profile aesthetically and so much easier to shoot in awkward field positions as it doesn't protrude too far out of the action.
Don't know if you know this but AICS-pattern magazines come in two varieties: Single Stack Single Feed and Double Stack Single Feed. Accuracy International brand magazines are the originals and they are SSSF, and so are Magpuls (which you can't use)
However, MDT (steel), Alpha Industries, and Accurate Mag magazines are all DSSF and are shorter in height than single stack magazines. Alpha magazines are probably the shortest of them all at 3.5" tall (and they fit ten rounds) followed by MDT at 3.9" and Accurate Mag at 4.6"tall.
Yea I guess this is really the first place I’ve heard of people preferring Tikka mags over AI. But I guess if you’re heavily invested then I get it. I’ve heard frank say he didn’t care for the mags that came with his Tac A1 and that was one of the main reason he likes the cadex (but who wouldn’t if they were so obtainable for oneself). He wanted to be able to run AI mags in his tikka’s. I dont remember his exact complaints about them tho.
Plus the CTR mags do not allow a round to be pushed so far back into the mag that it comes out the other side. I also think the AICS pattern is an inferior design. That being said, I still prefer the TRG mag over a CTR. I also appreciate the shorter height of CTR/TRG mags, but I may have to try a MDT or Alpha mag now that I know they are much shorter than the Accurate Mags.
McMillan
I have had zero issues with my CTR mag. I hear debates all day about which AICS mag is best. If I have zero issues, I assume the AICS has to be inferior if one is better than another because they all have issues but some are less severe.
And bottom line, you have at least a small chance of having to trim the action if you use a long-OAL AICS. That's a ridiculous mod to have to do to accommodate a new mag system.
Assumptions made on hearsay and insignificant (your number of CTR mags) sample size.
