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Any 22LR that compare with Vudoo?

Maxim0

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Hello,
I am looking to purchase a 22LR trainer and am having a hard time finding anything close to the vudoo. Trying to stay under the 1k mark for complete setup and want a chassis style rifle that is capable of 100y moa accuracy. I have been hearing hit or miss with the ruger and crickett. Any other recommendations? Would love a vudoo but never see them for sale used and new is out of the budget.
Thanks for the help
 
yes there was someone next to me with an anschutz @ 300y shooting sub moa, which is what gave me the itch to get a 22LR that and the extremely cheap ammo to train with. Will probably go with the ruger, just seeing what else is out there though
 
Anschutz 54's are hard to beat.
A well built and tuned CZ 455 can be equally impressive.
My Ruger 10/22 (mostly stock) stays under 1 MOA with most quality ammo.
 
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Anschutz 54's are hard to beat.
A well built and tuned CZ 455 can be equally impressive.
My Ruger 10/22 (mostly stock) stays under 1 MOA with most quality ammo.

@100y?
 
mind listing what mods/upgrades you have done?
 
For a chassis setup under a grand, the Ruger is probably your best bet. You could find a base model CZ455 and by a chassis to go under it. That would probably come in right around the 1k mark.
 
I'm in my Savage MkII for close to $800 with MDT-LS22 and glass. I doubt you could get precision approaching a Vudoo for much less than that.
I think the Ruger and the Savage are good values, but you need to throw away the stock immediately and put it in something that doesn't move.
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While I have a Vudoo, I also have a MKII, RPR-R and a couple of others.

You can indeed win a NRL22 match with any of them or loose with any of them.

The guys at our NRL22 think the reason I tend to have the high match score is because of my Vudoo. At the match before last I let the 5 of us in our squad all shoot my Vudoo 22 with a Huber 2 stage trigger and my ammo using my dope. Everyone had a good time. I still had the top score in the match, but that has more to do with knowing your positions and trigger press. Also I had a top score on an RPRr the one time I shot it.

While nothing takes advantage of 700 chassis swaps or the use of 700 based triggers, don't let not having a Vudoo stop you. Go get into a NRL22 match. Hell you don't even need a 22 if you call up the match director someone will share a spare or share theirs from what I have seen. https://nrl22.org/clubs/

If you don't have a club anywhere near you contact Jake V and get his NRL target package, download the montly COF form the above link and practice. All the obstacles are household items. Buckets, Chairs, Ladders, Bricks, tire etc. and the range is 100 and in.

Saying all that, the Vudoo is may single most economical purchase in a custom rifle. It gives me joy just loading the mag..
 
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I bought the RPR for the same reasons your researching. So far no ammo has gotten better than 1” at 50 yards. Still waiting on a barrel. Once the barrel is here, I’ll still be under $1,000. With easy to find mags and proper short action bolt throw length. Sounds to good to be true I know. So will see if the barrel ever gets here. I hope I don’t find out that my poormans work around to avoid a Voodoo is a failure.
 
These two Annies might be a bit above your price limit but they seem to be as accurate as my Vudoo. All three are very accurate and the accuracy differences are probably more dependent on the ammo. And I think I don't have enough skill to really evaluate their true accuracy. Maybe find a good deal on a used Annie?

1710 in MDT LSS-22 chassis:


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Hello,
I am looking to purchase a 22LR trainer and am having a hard time finding anything close to the vudoo. Trying to stay under the 1k mark for complete setup and want a chassis style rifle that is capable of 100y moa accuracy. I have been hearing hit or miss with the ruger and crickett. Any other recommendations? Would love a vudoo but never see them for sale used and new is out of the budget.
Thanks for the help

I would love to have a Vudoo. I am like you I can't cut the price. I have a Kidd Supergrade, that ran $1100.00 whiteout the scope, it will run 0.5 moa out to 150yds. I have a CZ 455 Varmint that ran around $450.00. It will very close to the Kidd, around 0.6 Moa out to 150yds. I just got a Tikka T1X, hope to get it to the range this weekend.

Mark
 
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I have a used low round count CZ 455 Varmint already had a DIP Mag Well and Trigger Spring purchase price $330
Glades Tactical Bolt Handle $60
Boyds Pro Varmint Stock $ 150 Shipped ( Home Made Rattle Can Paint Job)
used EGW 20 MOA Rail $25
Pillared and Glass Bedded $8 in Materials
Mueller 8 - 32 Target Dot Scope $235
Vortex Scope Level $25
$833 All in ( Less than a Precision Trainer) and this Rifle Shoots 1/4" at 50 yards all day long
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A lot will come down to the ammo. I have several bricks of unicorn feather CCI SV ammo. The ammo is absolutely amazing. I have shot it in a mkii, RPR a modified 10/22 and a friends CZ455. All the rifles would consistently shoot sub MOA with that ammo at 100 yards. I bought several more bricks of the CCI SV and none of them shoot even close to as well as the first lot I bought. I’m running low on that lot of ammo so I have been trying to find another ammo that shoots as well and so far the expensive Eley and Lapua ammo is the only thing I have found that compares. I know a lot of people don’t like the Savages but every one I have ever had just shoots. I put my NRL rifle in a MDT chassis and it is a pretty amazing rifle. I also have one in a Boyd’s stock that shoots equally well. You can usually find a Savage FVSR for around $250. You can drop it into a Boyd’s stock with bottom metal for another $200. Stick an Athlon Argos on top with a 20 MOA rail and you should be well under 1k. The one I have in an MDT is more money but I can’t say it shoots any better than the rifle in the Boyd’s stock. Either will out shoot the RP rimfire I have without any problem but the Ruger is a really good buy and is ready out of the box. The Ruger is my sons NRL rifle. As someone has already said you don’t need a Vudoo to win matches.

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As people have said, you don't need a Vudoo to win matches. I've seen people shoot great with inexpensive rifles and cheap ammo. There are lots of choices nowadays, but it comes down to consistency. Sometimes, you will have good luck with factory stuff, but there is a reason that people upgrade their barrels and triggers. Look at the threads with the submissions that the guys have been posting for years, and you will see all different models on there, but when the Vudoos came out, they quickly started landing on the charts. There are lots of models on there, but if people were as consistent with their $400 rifles as they claim to be, those cards would look a lot different.

Having owned several CZ's (including a couple from DJ), a Kidd, a Volquartsen, and sevveral other random ones along with shooting many of my uncle's many different older models, I have personally never shot as well consistently or had as much fun as I had with the Vudoo. I was the most confortable and confident behind any rifle than I've ever been. I've had rifles I didn't think I could make the shot with (think KYL) and never felt that way behind my Vudoo. I was going for the full rack most times depending on wind. Being that you can drop in a Triggertech and drop it in an MPA chassis (or whatever floats your boat), you have the most options possible to fit you. That doesn't mean I was undefeated with it, but nothing I've owned compared to it.

I would also go into the search with an open mind. I see people looking for a new rifle and thinking that they are going to be shooting one tiny hole as wide as the bullet. People post all these pics of a single group shot at 25 yards and 50 yards, or just talk about their great groups, and don't show you the full board for the day. I think people go in thinking they are going to get something they are not. I recently sold a KIDD rifle to a guy, and he wanted to meet at a range to shoot it first. No problem, I know it is a shooter. He proceeded to put the full mag in a nice tight group maybe 3/8" edge to edge, on a rifle he never shot, with my scope and never even touched a setting on the scope. He was surprised it wasn't better and expected more. Meanwhile the guy beside him has been shooting at the same target and there isn't a group within twice the size. Then he goes out to 100 and proceeds to shoot a group that was about 3/4" edge to edge and again says he expected more. I'm like What!!?? First time you have shot it, set up with my rings and scope (just mounted that morning), you haven't tested any other ammo, and you expected better. He still bought it at full price. I think people see groups online and think every group is supposed to look like that and don't appreciate a great group when they see it.
 
The Anschutz 54 and 2013 actions are the world's gold standard of position rimfire rifle accuracy. Nothing else comes close in terms of world championships and olympic medals.

The Anschutz 1712 can be had as a repeater.

The Vudoo's big draw, aside from its accuracy, is its Remington 700 footprint.
 
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My nephews $130 Savage MK II will out shoot my CZ 455. Last nrl match was super cold and my CZ was out of control, flyers all over the place. My buddy won it with a MK II against 2 455's, a custom 10-22.
 
While nothing takes advantage of 700 chassis swaps or the use of 700 based triggers, don't let not having a Vudoo stop you. Go get into a NRL22 match. Hell you don't even need a 22 if you call up the match director someone will share a spare or share theirs from what I have seen. https://nrl22.org/clubs/


Saying all that, the Vudoo is may single most economical purchase in a custom rifle. It gives me joy just loading the mag..

100% this!!

Now with that being said I think I am about to become very unpopular here, but I call it like I see it. You will hear a lot of people saying that their factory Savage, Ruger, CZ, Tikka, Sako, Winchester, Remington, and for the most part even Anschutz will shoot (insert amazingly accurate groups), and I am sure they will on occasion. But I am here to tell you that 99% of them will NOT do it consistently. I should probably quantify this:

My standard for a truly accurate 22lr is a rifle & ammo combination that will consistently shoot SUB 1/2 MOA at 50yds (high 0.1XX" to low 0.2XX"), and 1/2 MOA or better at 100yds, distances beyond that environmental effects come into play so much more setting a standard is very difficult. To quantify consistently I am talking about every round you send down range meets this standard. NOT having 2-3 groups out of 10 or more and chalking the bad ones up to shooter error or bad wind calls, because if this is the case you have no idea what your rifle is capable of. This will require a very well built custom rifle, with a carefully selected ammo.

I am not trying to say that you have to go out and spend big money on a custom rifle and buy only the highest quality ammo to be competitive at a NRL22 or local 22lr match of any sort, you most definitely do not. You can take any of the rifles I mentioned and be dangerous at most all matches even with mid grade ammo, especially if you are shooting in the wind and you finely hone your wind shooting abilities. Spend the time and money learning your system better than the next guy and your going to set yourself apart.

What I am trying to do is tell you a realistic expectation of what to expect out of decent to good factory rifles. If your needs are going to be met with a 1/2 - 3/4 MOA @ 50 and 3/4 to 1 MOA or slightly more at 100yds then you have a lot of good choices. But if only the highest level of accuracy will do know it is going to take serious effort.
 
Vudoo rifles need to start winning benchrest and ISSF titles before I start taking the claims that they are superior to Anschutz (the real deals, not the cheapo 64 action) at face value.

You can shoot all you want in your backyard, the rubber meets the road in national and international competition. And there Anschutz reigns supreme.
 
The Anschutz 54 and 2013 actions are the world's gold standard of position rimfire rifle accuracy. Nothing else comes close in terms of world championships and olympic medals.

20+ years ago this was true, you will not see too many of them on the line at the ISSF World Cup finals today. Anschutz has accumulated quite an impressive resume over the years, but they are not that competitive any more. This is coming from a long time Anschutz shooter and fan...
 
Vudoo rifles need to start winning benchrest and ISSF titles before I start taking the claims that they are superior to Anschutz (the real deals, not the cheapo 64 action) at face value.

You can shoot all you want in your backyard, the rubber meets the road in national and international competition. And there Anschutz reigns supreme.

I would agree.

However, the caveat to this (and this caveat is completely my personal opinion after owning and competing with several Annies), is Anschutz has not designed their bolt actions for NRL22 type of competition. I personally will not go Annie for NRL22 as I grew tired of the feeding an ejection issues with 64 and 54 actions.
 
Vudoo rifles need to start winning benchrest and ISSF titles before I start taking the claims that they are superior to Anschutz (the real deals, not the cheapo 64 action) at face value.

You can shoot all you want in your backyard, the rubber meets the road in national and international competition. And there Anschutz reigns supreme.

I agree the Vudoo has yet to have enough time to prove itself, but it is also not designed for that style of shooting at all. As far as I know they do not even offer a single shot action. But I have seen some reports coming out of Colorado Springs that a few Vudoos have turned in some damn good scores.

For what it is worth Bleiker is the most common rifle in ISSF 50m competition today. I may be wrong (I don't follow it that closely any more) but I think the last major win for Anschutz was Martynov's gold in 2012. I am not trying to say they are not great rifles, but they are by no means the gold standard.
 
My little MKII will only shoot consistent sub MOA @ 100yds with the Ely Black Match or Tenex. It’s wicked tight with $18 or $22 a box ammo, but any normal .22 it’s only good enough for government work. It hates CCI. Go figure. It shoots the Ely match subs and pistol subs well, but Winchester subs were musket balls. No “cheap” ammo has worked well enough that I’d use it in a match.
 
To answer the OP's question of "any 22lr that compare with the Vudoo"
Simply, absolutely not. At least not right now. There is no other 22lr repeater that is readily available today that will function as well, shoot as well, and have even close to the extensive aftermarket support preexisting as the Vudoo. Period end of story

To answer your question more specific to your budget, like I said earlier depending on what your expecting out of your rifle you have some good options. One to keep an eye on is the Tikka T1X, I know I am & I have a V22 and a fully built Anschutz Match 54 factory repeater currently sitting in my safe. That Tikka could be a sweet little rifle for the $. But with an all in budget of around $1000 I would strongly suggest a CZ 455 to start out with. There is a very good aftermarket right now for stocks / chassis, trigger upgrades, scope mounting solutions, and premium barrels that you can purchase down the road. Another great option since the explosion in popularity of the V22's the used 22lr market is getting very active with some super nice high end rimfires, I would keep an eye on the rimfire PX. There have been some killer rifles come up lately.
 
I was looking at the V22, but it was too rich for my blood. To get the barreled action in Canada you are looking at around $2500.00 with the currency exchange and import fees.
 
Mark 2TR, Tikka T1x, or V22

I started on a Savage Mark 2 years ago and had no complaints especially for $200.

Now I shoot the Vudoo but it's because I wanted a left handed action to fit into a AI chassis.

My shooting partners both rock a Sako quad and a Tikka T1x with great results.
 
I had jelrod convert two CMP 40Xs into repeaters, then I fitted & chambered a couple of custom bbls for them, installed Jewell triggers, 20 MOA sloped scope rails, Athlon Cronus scopes, and set them up in B&C #2015 & Manners T4A mini chassis stocks - and wound up with at least as much invested in them as I would've if I'd bought V-22 bbl'd actions & stocked them myself. Sold a few rifles & wound up owning three V-22s, but there's still an itch to scratch, as I'm now looking for one of the new CZ 457 MTR rifles, and would very much like to get a Tikka T1x. I've been shooting semi-local 22RF PR matches for the last several years, and appreciate the accuracy, reliability, and feel of a V-22 or jelrod 40X. It remains to be seen how the CZ457 will perform, but given the aftermarket support for the CZs & Tikka rifles, I'd look at one or the other to meet your requirements. It's too bad you can't purchase either of them as a bbl'd action, to put directly into the chassis of your choice, but at least for now, that's just the way it is.
 
It's too bad you can't purchase either of them as a bbl'd action, to put directly into the chassis of your choice, but at least for now, that's just the way it is.

This right here is what frustrates me to no end about rimfire rifles. I would LOVE to be able to purchase just barreled actions and put them in the stocks / chassis of my choosing.

But then I take a step back and realize how small a market in the overall rimfire world that desire makes up.

Unfortunately, life right now prevents me from getting a Vudoo and when I start totaling up costs and then spare parts just laying around I get discouraged about buying a second rifle because I might as well just keep pinching pennies until I can afford the V-22.
 
There are a lot of good accurate 22 LR's out there. Vudoo is a nice one. It offers modern features the younger folks think are necessary. I have had several and had them tested at Eley for ammo selection. They were all very good. None outshoot my old Win 52 HB at 100 yards. All were close. If you are into all the modern stuff you need a Vudoo. If you want simple accuracy a Win 52 or Rem 40X will meet your needs.
One statement I often heard about the older rifles is 'No aftermarket support'. That is true but really I never needed anything for my 52's. Add ammo and stir.
 
I'm really hoping the CZ 457 Varmint Match Target lives up to the preliminary reports.....and arrives favorably priced
 
Anyone know whether there are 10rd mags available for CZ's 452, 455, & 457?

https://www.hinterlandoutfitters.co...53455513-magazine-polymer-finish-p-15306.html

disregard the picture but these are the correct part number per the CZ usa online store (http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/12004_Mag-Cz-452453455513512-22-Lr-Mach-2-10-Rd-Poly ) which has them in stock and on sale for about 2 dollars more. may need to check shipping on both to see which comes out cheaper in the end
 
Never shot or handled a Vudoo; sure would like to. In the interim, I have a Ruger m77/22 that I've grown quite fond of. Uses 10/22 rotary mags (still a phenomenal design), there are a few stocks out there, trigger is an easy upgrade, and if the goal is sub moa at 50, or even 100.........psshhhhh.....I'm all over that. When I bought it, it was an old pencil type barrel that would definitely heat up and walk POI after some time on the range. Ruger will not be the only weapon to have this problem, I assure you. If you shop right, you can definitely build yourself something very nice for ~$1000 or less. Shoot what makes you happy, not what makes you look like the next guy on the line. Practice. Practice. Practice.
 
Thanks for the reply on the 10rd mags - the ones from Hinterland look completely different than what CZ shows - looks like a pistol mag, not a rifle one. As far as the CZ poly mags are concerned, I've had (as has nearly everyone else who's shot with them) lousy results with Remington's plastic mags for my 541T. Would want to hear some feedback from CZ owners who've used them before I'd buy any of them. Still have high hopes for getting into a CZ457MTR, but may have to wait until another shipment of them arrives.
 
i have (2) 10 round polymer mags from CZ and have ZERO issues running them in PRS style rimfire matches. i have the 2 round extenders on them as well from @quiksilverj they have performed without incident. what sort of issues are you worried about?

also, ignore that picture on hinterland's site. it even says further down the page that images are no representative of product. that's why i included the cz link as well. the part numbers are identical
 
The Remmy poly 541T mags don't feed worth a hoot. I've had several of them, all were crap. Finally wound up buying a couple of SS mags from a custom source for the 541 - they were expensive, but they work - and are like what Remington should've shipped with each of these rifles.
 
2500 XR is an option. I have from before the vudoo came out. The ONLY thing I didn't like about it was magazines. Mine has a shilen ratchet and shoots better than either of my 2 Vudoo rifles. But the magazines in a chassis suck. I love both my vudoo but there are other options. It's just the hot toy right now.
 
2500 XR is an option. I have from before the vudoo came out. The ONLY thing I didn't like about it was magazines. Mine has a shilen ratchet and shoots better than either of my 2 Vudoo rifles. But the magazines in a chassis suck. I love both my vudoo but there are other options. It's just the hot toy right now.

I agree that the 2500XR could be a great action but it definitely has some short comings. I identified several issues with mine and had an extensive thread about it on Scout (unfortunately that is all lost now). But it just has some inherent design issues...
 
The Remmy poly 541T mags don't feed worth a hoot. I've had several of them, all were crap. Finally wound up buying a couple of SS mags from a custom source for the 541 - they were expensive, but they work - and are like what Remington should've shipped with each of these rifles.

can only speak for myself and the 1600 rounds through the rifle but zero issues yet. hope this helps
 
There’s a guy in rimfire central that makes mags for my 541x that actually work.