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Are you Arf.com rejects done circle jerking over your semiautos? It is like a bunch of Trannies bragging about how little their make-believe vaginas are.
still waiting on Arf-loser #1 to post a pic for $100? Like sheesh, can you pretend any harder? I’ll post a pic of just about anything for a $100. Including my KAC BrokeBack-25, if I had one. But,see.... I don’t have a tiny dick, vape or wear a flat bill hat, so I don’t own a KAC BrokeBack-25, but if I did, I would take the fools $100.
so put up or gtfohwts.
Arf.com called and wants their Glory Hole boy back.
still waiting on Arf-loser #1 to post a pic for $100? Like sheesh, can you pretend any harder? I’ll post a pic of just about anything for a $100. Including my KAC BrokeBack-25, if I had one. But,see.... I don’t have a tiny dick, vape or wear a flat bill hat, so I don’t own a KAC BrokeBack-25, but if I did, I would take the fools $100.
so put up or gtfohwts.
Arf.com called and wants their Glory Hole boy back.
Really interested in the SR-25 results. I took out a new LaRue UU kit today and averaged .79moa over 30rds (6x5) with 6 different loads.
The SR-25’s should do even better, for the price they cost.
The SR-25’s should do even better, for the price they cost.
I’m still wondering where to send my dick pics.
I own a couple gas guns that I consider “precision” rifles. I have limited experience with SR-25’s having only shot two of them, though I do own a couple of SR-15’s.
JP, GAP, and Seekins are the names I defer to when I think of “precision” gas guns. I am a huge JP “fanboy,” but I’ve got some experience with the Seekins SP-10. The SP-10 is a badass rifle, and for the price, they are likely the best value when it comes to a precision AR.
IMO, KAC makes one of the best semi’s on the planet. Very reliable, great balance and accurate. However, I don't want top conflate accuracy with precision. Are you paying for a name? Obviously. I will be purchasing an SR-25, but I do not expect that it is going to shoot sub-minute, and if it does, fantastic. If it can hover around a minute or so, I'll live.
I know it won't outshine my Stoeger-barreled Taurus in 6.5. I actually think the Taurus will outperform my LRP 07 too, but that will be a test for another day.
Your just northern taco benders to us and leach off our economy...fucking tick
I heard your pretty mouth is too.
can't comment on the rest, since i have no idea...but i think this part is important.
whether a 1% increase in potential reliability is worth a $3-4k premium is the question for many, but not everyone.
some people have so much spendable money they get what they want and not just what they require.
i wouldn't expect the "most accurate" results from a CL CHF barrel. i paid for something that could take combat type abuse.
i would guess the mk11 clone might have a hammer forged obermeyer barrel and also may not have the most potential, accuracy wise.
*disclaimer.
I must admit that one justification i used for buying an expensive gun was a reputation for being easy to shoot well and keep on target for follow up shots.
basically i paid money to make up for the fact i might suck. somebody is going to have to let me shoot their gun to find out if i got ripped off.
all i can say is if i suck, it doesn't seem to matter behind my scar 20s.
I agree with this,
With everything there are going to be trade offs and and point of diminishing returns is a real factor to consider, While your typical 308 AR is not as reliable as its 556 counter part they have come along way in the past tent years.
While I am sure there are a number of idiots that over hype their results of their weapons, I honestly don't think that the Kac crowd has ever touted their SR25's accuracy as being a world beater as their number one battle cry.
In terms of the SR25's premium, lets look at some of its competitors
KAC 4300
Noveske N6 3800
HK MR762 3600
LMT MWS 2200-3200
DD 2400
Barrett 2600
JP 3200-4000
So depending what rifle you are comparing to the SR25 that premium can from a couple hundred bucks to a couple grand. I personally don't think one could go wrong choosing any of those rifles.
Like i have mentioned earlier, I have an MWS, an ACC and a scar, I like my MWS and ACC way more than my scar, but I can not say that its not a damn good weapon.
I chose to support KAC because i can appreciate the engineering and testing behind their weapons and how they continue to push the limits of whats capable from large frame AR's.
Much in the same way that I support FN and how they support the shooting community.
Countless douche bags have brought high dollar rifles to our range. And a lot of our guys have average dollar rifles...and have shot fucking circles around said douche bags. It ain’t the fucking rifle. It’s the dude pulling the trigger. My buddy from 3/75th can do some amazing shit with an aero precision garage built semi. Made the KAC guys wine and bitch. You can’t hide lack of skill behind expensive shit. If you try to just be ready to get called out on it
Guys with a nice guns are now a douche bags? Looks like he just called everyone out on the forum
This reads like complete fiction. Dudes at my club are cool and welcoming no matter what you bring. Neat story though.
Very True,
Alot of people, me included often chase the latest and greatest piece of gear, being it the latest scope and or the newest 1000 plus dollar smart phone. I think we could all benefit from getting out more often and become better shooters vs expanding our collections.
He sure as hell isn't shooting at any of the big PRS ranges (like a K&M for example). I've never come across an A hole out there honestly.
Yeah and we’re cool too. But when you cock off running your mouth about how great your rifle is and can’t back it up on the range we tend not to put up with your shit. But good for you dude putting up with arrogant fucks. I’ve been muzzle swept by too many idiots like that to tolerate it any more.
What range?
@bigjake83 24 hours later I come back to 4 pages of a thread and still no one has taken up the challenge?
At this point I don’t even care if it is 3/4 moa or 1 1/2 moa on a 6x5. I just want to see what they can do.
At this point I don’t even care if it is 3/4 moa or 1 1/2 moa on a 6x5. I just want to see what they can do.
Qazwsx on page 4 said he's gonna give it a go. But yes it would just be nice to see people step up for bragging rights, hell I'll probably give the $100 to the guy who gets the closest. I even lowered the standard to .75 and honestly that's very doable.
I see I've been summoned a few times.
This thread and 'challenge' are retarded. I don't see many takers as $100 to go out and shoot 30 rounds to prove to some random guy on the internet that with a fixation towards accuracy being the primary and sole purpose of this platform isn't really much of a motivator; additionally, its proof you don't understand the actual purpose the SR25/M110 fills and just detracts from anyone giving a shit.
You want a real challenge to put your money where your mouth is? Come out in the desert with me. Let's ruck that gun slung on your back to the range in the middle of fucking nowhere. By the time you get there, its already dirtier than 98% of the guns I see pictures of on here and will cause alot of them to have issues right out of the gate due to it. Then run a sub 18 second 6/6/6 drill on a 40% IPSC at 50 yards, cinch the gun and do 50 yard incriment suicides out to 400m where you get a max of 2 rounds for a hit, standing and kneeling, only having to stop at 15m each time you run back past the steel plate to pull the sidearm and put 2 rounds on it, then tap the plate and run out to the next line at 100 and repeat for 150/200/250/300/350/400. All with the gun on you the entire way, through whatever terrain you have to go through. Usually when done with this, I'm covered in dust/dirt/rock and mud and relatively annoyed. Let's see how that gun works in that situation, and how many targets you actually hit. Hell, lets make a bet if you end up with a heat stroke before/after the gun has its first malfunction.
Now go run the 6/6/6 again; I'm betting your .00002MOA gamer gun loses a testical along the way and between the fact it wasn't built for this, nor was the magazine it uses, we'll see just how great your weapon is in the realm of shit that actually matters - Ill give you a hint, its not shooting perfectly in position all cushed up on your bench/shooting mat, waiting for the ideal conditions and having forever and a day between shots to wiggle your pale ass into that perfect shooting position.
I'm not sure if this thread is an attempt at the first 'Poors Flex' in our history or what, but you're attemting to compare gamer guns that are solely purpose built for one thing, and one thing only, against something that has to stand up to a metric ton of shit before you even get to the point of firing a round. It's like taking a Porshe and a offroad 4x4 and saying the Porsche is superior because its top speed is higher; thats great, what happens when theres no paved road?
So let's do it both ways since you're hellbent on people putting up. I can concede any of my SR25s and even my M110k1 won't shoot .4 groups or whatever. That's fine, they're not designed to, nor does the spec call for it nor do I need it to. You're also bringing the wrong gun if the mission calls for some .2 MOA level of accuracy that I wouldn't bring a semi auto to anyways; ever though I loathe having to carry an M4 ontop of a precision gun but whatever. But hey, what do I know? So you 'got me' on the accuracy claim; when can I expect you to show up and get run through the desert?
Until then, all I'm hearing is
This thread and 'challenge' are retarded. I don't see many takers as $100 to go out and shoot 30 rounds to prove to some random guy on the internet that with a fixation towards accuracy being the primary and sole purpose of this platform isn't really much of a motivator; additionally, its proof you don't understand the actual purpose the SR25/M110 fills and just detracts from anyone giving a shit.
You want a real challenge to put your money where your mouth is? Come out in the desert with me. Let's ruck that gun slung on your back to the range in the middle of fucking nowhere. By the time you get there, its already dirtier than 98% of the guns I see pictures of on here and will cause alot of them to have issues right out of the gate due to it. Then run a sub 18 second 6/6/6 drill on a 40% IPSC at 50 yards, cinch the gun and do 50 yard incriment suicides out to 400m where you get a max of 2 rounds for a hit, standing and kneeling, only having to stop at 15m each time you run back past the steel plate to pull the sidearm and put 2 rounds on it, then tap the plate and run out to the next line at 100 and repeat for 150/200/250/300/350/400. All with the gun on you the entire way, through whatever terrain you have to go through. Usually when done with this, I'm covered in dust/dirt/rock and mud and relatively annoyed. Let's see how that gun works in that situation, and how many targets you actually hit. Hell, lets make a bet if you end up with a heat stroke before/after the gun has its first malfunction.
Now go run the 6/6/6 again; I'm betting your .00002MOA gamer gun loses a testical along the way and between the fact it wasn't built for this, nor was the magazine it uses, we'll see just how great your weapon is in the realm of shit that actually matters - Ill give you a hint, its not shooting perfectly in position all cushed up on your bench/shooting mat, waiting for the ideal conditions and having forever and a day between shots to wiggle your pale ass into that perfect shooting position.
I'm not sure if this thread is an attempt at the first 'Poors Flex' in our history or what, but you're attemting to compare gamer guns that are solely purpose built for one thing, and one thing only, against something that has to stand up to a metric ton of shit before you even get to the point of firing a round. It's like taking a Porshe and a offroad 4x4 and saying the Porsche is superior because its top speed is higher; thats great, what happens when theres no paved road?
So let's do it both ways since you're hellbent on people putting up. I can concede any of my SR25s and even my M110k1 won't shoot .4 groups or whatever. That's fine, they're not designed to, nor does the spec call for it nor do I need it to. You're also bringing the wrong gun if the mission calls for some .2 MOA level of accuracy that I wouldn't bring a semi auto to anyways; ever though I loathe having to carry an M4 ontop of a precision gun but whatever. But hey, what do I know? So you 'got me' on the accuracy claim; when can I expect you to show up and get run through the desert?
Until then, all I'm hearing is
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Seems like a long scenario to prove something is worth it. Are there not other ways to test if a weapon will fire in dirty environments?
The post just reads more like a physical fitness test for the shooter than the actual weapon.
@Triple D
I think the point German was trying to make is the KAC rifles are designed to be accurate enough in adverse conditions. I would expect 1.5 MOA to be more than sufficient in a real world scenario for the weapon itself (that is still hitting a full size IPSC at 1k with no wind budget). More to the point, how well can the shooter perform under fatigue, stress, sleep deprivation, ect.? The shooter is (usually) not as accurate as the rifle when given a quality rifle.
To bigjakes point, he seems to be tired of hearing folks say their KACs are sub .75 MOA rifles and simply wants folks to put up or shut up.
Note: I have never been in combat nor ever fired a large pattern AR. Just a basic guy who likes training with his AR-15.
I think the point German was trying to make is the KAC rifles are designed to be accurate enough in adverse conditions. I would expect 1.5 MOA to be more than sufficient in a real world scenario for the weapon itself (that is still hitting a full size IPSC at 1k with no wind budget). More to the point, how well can the shooter perform under fatigue, stress, sleep deprivation, ect.? The shooter is (usually) not as accurate as the rifle when given a quality rifle.
To bigjakes point, he seems to be tired of hearing folks say their KACs are sub .75 MOA rifles and simply wants folks to put up or shut up.
Note: I have never been in combat nor ever fired a large pattern AR. Just a basic guy who likes training with his AR-15.
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So... Anyone gonna shoot anything? My popcorn is running low.
I'm going to try to get out today but it is mothers day
I'm torn ... I have a Knights receiver set with JP barrel/bolt/gas ... WTF does that make me???
Middle class, sorry bro.
Apparently you CAN hide it behind a cloak of bravado on the internet though.
For the record-I'd like to copyright the term "KAC Derangement Syndrome"-KDS for short.
Use of this term may be subject to a fee-my legal team is working out the details.
Use of this term may be subject to a fee-my legal team is working out the details.
I don't even own a KAC product, and yet this thread annoys me to the point that I'm now cheering on the fanbois.
Yeah I must say I'm disappointed in the German's response I expect better from him.
So at the end of a 4-page thread what I am getting out of this is that KAC's are worth $5k because they have good reliability they make for an excellent desert workout accessory, and basically accuracy isn't really that important as long as I think my gun will keep working.
I'm sorry guys I should have known, when it comes to shooting accuracy is overrated. I mean it's not like actually hitting your target is that important right?
KAC SR25 owner's worst nightmare...
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Sounds like a test more suitable for an AR-15.
I'd like to try something like that! What part of the country are you in? I'm in Phoenix. Plenty of desert around here.
I bought a few SR25s and requested a few test targets with the APC I bought. 1moa for this rifle is exactly what they advertised it to be and it delivers. I didnt purchase it for a precision .5moa rifle. Just for a 1moa all day long 0-800m rifle. If I wanted half moa I'll grab my AI's. These are the 4 targets below I got with the APC.
I'm not sure who claims there SR25s are under .75 all the time. They aren't. Sure I could cherry pick a few groups. But the reality is, if anyone says they can shoot 5, 5 rounds groups with their SR25 in the .7s, its usually internet BS. Also owned a LMT MWS for a while and its not any more of less accurate with their stainless barrel. These guns are what they are. 1moa high volume mil guns that just run in all conditions.
The very last pic is the best group I've shot with the APC.
I'm not sure who claims there SR25s are under .75 all the time. They aren't. Sure I could cherry pick a few groups. But the reality is, if anyone says they can shoot 5, 5 rounds groups with their SR25 in the .7s, its usually internet BS. Also owned a LMT MWS for a while and its not any more of less accurate with their stainless barrel. These guns are what they are. 1moa high volume mil guns that just run in all conditions.
The very last pic is the best group I've shot with the APC.
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Updated above post with some targets with the SR25 APC. Factory 175gr FGMM with 7.62 QDC suppressor for them all.
You’ve totally missed the point of his post. You make a thread calling out KAC owners and their accuracy claims. Your thread now has a handful of KAC owners who are NOT making the very claims you’re so pissed at. Somehow you’re missing that.Yeah I must say I'm disappointed in the German's response I expect better from him.
So at the end of a 4-page thread what I am getting out of this is that KAC's are worth $5k because they have good reliability they make for an excellent desert workout accessory, and basically accuracy isn't really that important as long as I think my gun will keep working.
I'm sorry guys I should have known, when it comes to shooting accuracy is overrated. I mean it's not like actually hitting your target is that important right?
KAC SR25 owner's worst nightmare...
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I’ll add that sitting at a bench with with what is basically a battle rifle and shooting 30 rounds of the same load at a piece of paper placed at 100 yds is a joke. A sure sign that person is either limited to 100 yards only, or is to lazy to get out Into a field setting and do the things SR-25’s and similar rifles are supposed to do.
Looks like someone owes you some dough.
^This. Bender wins internetting today.
Waiting for my 762 QDC to come out of jail...my understanding is the POI shift with it vs unsuppressed is negligible-has that been your experience with it?
You obviously own some nice rifles and are clearly a skilled shooter with them, would you be willing to take the challenge just so we can see what the SR25 can do in the hands of a proficient shooter?
This devolved even worse than I thought it would.
Thanks for contributing content that brings our site down. It's a lot like shitting where you eat.
Why don't you go pester (pick a fast car) owners into accepting $100 to prove to you their cars can complete 0-60MPH times in excess of the mfg. stated guarantee.
What part don't you get about "it's a guaranteed 1MOA rifle"? He showed you a target. I told you I have one that's .98 with FGMM, 168gr., it's what they use to test 'em with, five shots.
Thanks for contributing content that brings our site down. It's a lot like shitting where you eat.
Why don't you go pester (pick a fast car) owners into accepting $100 to prove to you their cars can complete 0-60MPH times in excess of the mfg. stated guarantee.
What part don't you get about "it's a guaranteed 1MOA rifle"? He showed you a target. I told you I have one that's .98 with FGMM, 168gr., it's what they use to test 'em with, five shots.
Have data on thousands of rounds through my SR25 CC (chrome barrel). My average MOA data below is data from factory loads, each line item based on many rounds and groups in different conditions. Note that I am not the best shooter.
Fed M80 ball: 1.87 MOA
PPU M80 ball: 1.78 MOA
FGMM 168: 1.11 MOA
FGMM 7.62 175: 1.05 MOA
Hornady Match 168 BTHP: 0.98 MOA
FGMM 185: 0.94 MOA
Hornady 178 BTHP: 0.83 MOA
FGMM 175: 0.81 MOA
Black Hills 168: 0.79 MOA
I've only been able to get 1 handload down to an average of .5 MOA, but its very hot and temperature dependent. Most handloads are in the 0.7-1.0 MOA range.
PC is better.
And no, I'm not going to load and shoot 30 of anything for the OP.
I don’t have a dog in this fight and loved reading all of this Lots of laughs.... does anyone include the LWRC Reaper ? How’s it shoot compared to all of these ??
also what’s up with the HK accuracy ?
also what’s up with the HK accuracy ?
