Or a poop bag and a suprapubic catheter.
Either way, rough stuff.
Tip, be a patriot and dont do stupid terrorist crap and you wont find out.
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Or a poop bag and a suprapubic catheter.
Either way, rough stuff.
Tip, be a patriot and dont do stupid terrorist crap and you wont find out.
2 rounds center, 1 round to pelvic. Reset - new target. Do it again.
I laugh at people 'praticing' by shooting 1 round for 'self defense'. You need to think in 3's.
I laugh at people 'praticing' by shooting 1 round for 'self defense'. You need to think in 3's.
@TheGerman - do you think 2 chest 1 head for pistol CCW scenarios is better or worse?
i think it is skill level and situational defined.
At times, a more rapid cessation of CNS activity is beneficial.
question is, even with a lot of training and no experience in a 2 way experience, how many are really going to be dialed in that well and make the shot like Jack Wilson (TX church shooting hero)?
just curious your thoughts.
i think it is skill level and situational defined.
At times, a more rapid cessation of CNS activity is beneficial.
question is, even with a lot of training and no experience in a 2 way experience, how many are really going to be dialed in that well and make the shot like Jack Wilson (TX church shooting hero)?
just curious your thoughts.
The thoughtprocess on this started to evolve somewhere around the mid 2000s from what I saw. It may have been earlier, but I didn't see it start being mentioned as well as taught in various AIT curriculum's until around then.
The original method is the 2 to the chest and 1 to the head. This idea behind this was that the center mass point of aim allows you the widest target area to hit under stress/target movement as well as the location of many vital organs and the added ability of a CNS shot. If that didn't defeat the target either because of a lack of penetration/fragmentation or the lack of hitting anything that would lead to incapacitation; or that the target was wearing appropiate body armor to stop the round, the shot to the head would.
Here's the problem with that. If the shot to the head would fix your problem, why not just shoot the target in the head right away?
If your aim is too high or low aiming center mass, you will still hit the target higher/lower than dead center. This could still give you a positive effect on target. Too high on the head and its a complete miss. You also have to realize that the head is basically 7-8 inches wide; basically half if not less than half of your torso. Your target, if only the head, is significantly smaller as well as will move more if the target isn't standing still. It's a relatively low percentage shot, and even if you do connect, only the eye box is a high percentage CNS shot.
If instead, you aim for the pelvic region, the miss high/miss low factor is still there like it is with a center mass/torso shot. While you do lose the magic CNS eye box factor, you gain hit percentage as well as a very good incapacitation probability as the groin/pelvic region has a massive amount of nerve bundles and major arteries in it. It is also almost never protected by any sort of ballistic protection whereas the chest and head are.
So zombieland has it wrong? Rule 2: double tap
Anything worth shooting is worth shooting again(and again according to TheGerman). Got it!
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So zombieland has it wrong? Rule 2: double tap
Anything worth shooting is worth shooting again(and again according to TheGerman). Got it!
Yep.
We had 2 'straight up' CQB drills.
One was the offset of your red dot and where it needed to be to get you on target on either center mass or the face and then did endless up drills on both.
The second was 2 center, 1 down as a single movement rather than 3 seperate shots.
eta - Ill give you guys the key to the castle on how to be able to do this repeatibly with a carbine. Once you have your leg/foot spacing figured out on how you be on/close to a perfect NPOA when bringing the carbine up, your weak hand needs to bring the foreend upin a single sweeping motion with your hand holding it like you would hold a baseball bat with 1 hand; dont pull/push it forward/rearward, simply hold it so its not coming out of your grip. if you indexed your stock correctly on the place on your pec where if you rotate the rifle up and keep the tip of the stock there, it will be on/very close to your target, the only other thing you need to do correctly is to keep your strong side armagainst the side of your torso and shrug your shoulder upwards to where it naturally stops. The biggest mistake is people do this and shrug the shoulder forward; this causes you to be on target then to the left, then to the right each time you do it because there is no natural 'stop' to where the angle of your shoulder will be whereas your body will naturally stop your upwards shrugging and itll be almost the exact same position each time. At that point, pull rearward with the firing hand to 'lock' everything.
That's how I can hit you in the face twice before you realize I even shot at you and doesn't have me fucking around with POA for 2-3 seconds after raising the gun up assuming Im not in some weird position or stance.
Learning this from a 'high port' is a totally different thing and generally I didn't use it especially with body armor on as there are way too many variables and you end up with the stock on the edge of your plate half the time.
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@TheGerman - good thoughts and makes sense.
I think it makes way more sense for those of us with no experiences in such a scenario.
Thanks for the explanation.
(this is how the Hide works when grown-ups ask questions and chat, for all the douchbags out there)
I think it makes way more sense for those of us with no experiences in such a scenario.
Thanks for the explanation.
(this is how the Hide works when grown-ups ask questions and chat, for all the douchbags out there)
For pistol I always liked the FAST drill where you have 4 seconds to do a double into a 3x5 card on the face, reload, and then 4 rounds center mass within 6 inches.
I've since changed it from the face to shooting you in the dick first 2 times.
What distance for the FAST drill?
I'd rather spend my time at getting better and faster at shooting on the move than to repeat some tacticool drill over and over and over.
And yeah I know who came up with the FAST drill, a guy with zero gunfights to his credit.
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just to because I am a dick, how many gun fights have you been in?
sounds like Mr Green was a well respected instructor and could shoot quite well.
I believe all drills have a purpose.
sometimes static drills safely teach skills before the shooter does it on the move.
like sticking a needle in someone’s pericardial sac when they are in cardiac tamponade.
best to try on a cadaver and training dummy to get an idea of how it goes.
just to because I am a dick, how many gun fights have you been in?
sounds like Mr Green was a well respected instructor and could shoot quite well.
I believe all drills have a purpose.
sometimes static drills safely teach skills before the shooter does it on the move.
like sticking a needle in someone’s pericardial sac when they are in cardiac tamponade.
best to try on a cadaver and training dummy to get an idea of how it goes.
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just to because I am a dick, how many gun fights have you been in?
sounds like Mr Green was a well respected instructor and could shoot quite well.
I believe all drills have a purpose.
sometimes static drills safely teach skills before the shooter does it on the move.
like sticking a needle in someone’s pericardial sac when they are in cardiac tamponade.
best to try on a cadaver and training dummy to get an idea of how it goes.
I have been in none.
There is a slew of internet famous "instructors" who get a lot of press and are propped up by followers.
His main claim to fame are the FAST drill (a drill no better than a multitude of others) and his "press out" draw. The press-out draw is what you do to hit a target when you suck at drawing a pistol from the holster.
Ben Stoeger has never been in a gunfight either, but I would pay him to train me to shoot long before I paid some guy whose only resume is that he's taken a bunch of training from others. At least Stoeger wins shit.
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Go out and get a Honky Tonk skank and so will you be.
Because of this conversation next pedo to get his arm blown off will be carrying one of these....
instead of one of these.....
and you sick fucks will be laughing at his lamentations of "But you were supposed to shoot me in the dick!"
instead of one of these.....
and you sick fucks will be laughing at his lamentations of "But you were supposed to shoot me in the dick!"
This is old news. Who do you think bought everything up?
@pmclaine
We have a device called REBOA that you stick an IV in the femoral artery and slide it up into the aorta.
you inflate the ballon above the point of injury to stop bleeding. either just below the heart or just below the renals if a pelvic injury.
has to be done in the hospital. Good way for smaller hospitals to save a life while flying a patient to a trauma center.
seen it happen and do well above 12k feet.
that abd compression device would make an injured mofo scream like most of us have never heard. Dang, I do not want to hear that.
We have a device called REBOA that you stick an IV in the femoral artery and slide it up into the aorta.
you inflate the ballon above the point of injury to stop bleeding. either just below the heart or just below the renals if a pelvic injury.
has to be done in the hospital. Good way for smaller hospitals to save a life while flying a patient to a trauma center.
seen it happen and do well above 12k feet.
that abd compression device would make an injured mofo scream like most of us have never heard. Dang, I do not want to hear that.
My point exactly. Being a full time antagonist isn't free and if you don't have time to work, where's the fuckin money coming from? Paging Doctor Soros, Doctor Soros.
Welcome to Portland.
The "We'll win the war, we have all the guns!" side is losing every single engagement, because they're not out promoting what they believe in. They're at work or at home with family, relying only on the extreme last resort to support their ideology. Meanwhile, folks who never put their faith in firearms are in the streets turning the world into exactly what they want, by putting in the time and effort. Good people are losing every inch of this fight.
Shit, I thought I was getting robbed when I paid $0.45 a round for the FN Red box stuff from SGAMMO.
You mean like Kyle's actions "lost" in Kenosha? Or like Trump lost in 2016? Or how the winds keep shifting on MSM covering their bets on not being "wrong" and reporting people are pissed about the rioting? Your concern is noted.
I once stuck my hand inside a guy with a set of needle nose pliers.
He was damn near cut in half by a Goldhoffer,he lived.
Wow,I haven't thought about that in 15 years
More like how everyone now has a pronoun, free speech is widely censored, violent riots are occurring in major cities every day for months now, the economy is crippled and a major cliff is coming that has yet to be reflected by the stock market. Things like that.
I re-assessed and there is nothing to change. The immediate access to the ultimate power to take life has left the Right with a false sense of security that has led us here. I don’t see community or political activism Coming from the right, but it flows like a river from the left. Moderation is dying. Extremism is becoming normal.
375 H&H... Model 70...Speer 300gr Tungsten core... some of us still have some of those... I’ll be you backup.
So, what do you suggest?
Man that's tough, I'm not in the political realm enough to have a useful answer to that. I think one of the most important things we can do is involve ourselves in the local running of things; city council meetings, school board meetings, local elections. As much as the conversation has shifted to be all about what the Federal government is going to do about every little problem, it still comes down to the very local levels where the main issues are occuring. The cities with these riots have very low level leadership at the helm of the problems. Beyond that I don't have a useful opinion I consider worth sharing.
Even if they are Antifa?
No.
Im for efficiency. End them and be done.
I know it sounds good. And I know we all really want to crush this group.
But I dont want to wake up to nightmares of those screams.
I have heard those screams, as I am sure you have, and while I hate communist like the devil himself (they are joined at the heart) I dont really have the heart myself for inhumane treatment. Yet. Not saying its not possible and saying its not probable.
Just not my character.
Apparently all you have to do is arrest them and they cry in the fetal position.
Im for efficiency. End them and be done.
I know it sounds good. And I know we all really want to crush this group.
But I dont want to wake up to nightmares of those screams.
I have heard those screams, as I am sure you have, and while I hate communist like the devil himself (they are joined at the heart) I dont really have the heart myself for inhumane treatment. Yet. Not saying its not possible and saying its not probable.
Just not my character.
Apparently all you have to do is arrest them and they cry in the fetal position.
If they would just arrest and get rid of the two tier system then lots of issues would go away overnight!
Many Antifa communist scumbags are felons. Real life has shown you'll never keep guns, drugs and stolen property out of the hands of felons.
If they can't buy a gun or body armor their single, lesbian mothers, girlfriends or Antifa scum teachers will be a straw buyer.
One scumbag that was shown throwing a molotov cocktail was later bragging how his grandmother bought his body armor vest because she wanted him to be safe when he was rioting and looting.
Facebook is crammed with ads for body armor, riot mayhem weapons from collapsible batons and whips to tactical gloves to smash car windows and heads; marketing directed toward their communist anarchist Facebook audience.
If they can't buy a gun or body armor their single, lesbian mothers, girlfriends or Antifa scum teachers will be a straw buyer.
One scumbag that was shown throwing a molotov cocktail was later bragging how his grandmother bought his body armor vest because she wanted him to be safe when he was rioting and looting.
Facebook is crammed with ads for body armor, riot mayhem weapons from collapsible batons and whips to tactical gloves to smash car windows and heads; marketing directed toward their communist anarchist Facebook audience.
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Okay guys when you do have to put some of these antifa, blmers down. Tractor Supply Store sells chicken wire. Wrap tight, secure with metal ties and toss into body of water.
Now to the pelvic shot discussion. I found in Fallujah and AFG while clearing indoors I loved the shotgun with 00 Buch or slugs. The nice thing was it allowed the knuckleheads to live in extreme pain for a few minutes of questioning. God I miss my job.
Now to the pelvic shot discussion. I found in Fallujah and AFG while clearing indoors I loved the shotgun with 00 Buch or slugs. The nice thing was it allowed the knuckleheads to live in extreme pain for a few minutes of questioning. God I miss my job.
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Why?
THIS is why. Remember, these people want normal people dead.
Why?
THIS is why. Remember, these people want normal people dead.
You can talk tough shit recording in your bullshit studio (aka your couch). Let see you back up those words.
ANTIFA now buying body armor for their armed footsoldiers...
As Guns Get Drawn at Protest Sites, Demonstrators Fear a Volatile New Phase (Published 2020)
As right-wing groups increasingly move to confront unrest in cities, clashes are breaking out between demonstrators with starkly different views on how to keep cities safe.www.nytimes.com
Yes, I know I have posted a thread about this in the past, but we are at a make or break point in this country and it's future right now. I remember ten years ago when "take a liberal to the gun range" has been the rallying call of the RKBA movement. Yes, plenty of "liberals" have been given range trips, firearms intstruction, and knowledge of where to purchase and legalities, etc... Many of these "liberals" are armed now and are willing to KILL in order to eradicate the very principles and heritage which protected their rights in the first place.
We need to cut this pipeline off IMMEDIATELY.
RUN prospective buyers' names through your online searches for social media presence and history. DENY sales to any treasonous and terroristic scumbags. The one good thing about this shit that we are dealing with right now is that many, if not most of these motherfuckers also happen to have IQ's in the single digits and cannot resist broadcasting their newfound political cult affiliations to anyone who listens. Their social media presences light up brighter than a phosphorus flare in a forest clearing at night. We MUST cut this pipeline off right now.
Remember, this is purely at YOUR OWN discretion. If all gun, ammo, and armor vendors stand together and dynamite this pipeline right now, we will be able to blunt the main threat that is not far behind this growing clusterfuck. If you do not wish to participate, and care more about the dollar than our country's heritage and future, that is your liberty. However, also be aware that the same treasonous thugs who you eagerly sell to have absolutely no qualms about hanging you by the neck from a tree in front of your own shop just like the Redcoats hung gunsmith Cornish McManus in front of his shop while his terrified wife looked on in The Rifle, by Gary Paulsen.
Please send this to any and all gun and shooting sports vendors you know.
#CutThePipeline
More reasons why this is even more important now:
Why not sell them body armor with ceramic plates, I'm sure the wife would like new dinnerware. One could make a small fortune selling these plus you don't have to worry about customer complaints........
This is why you shoot them in the nuts…
Oh wait.
Never mind.
Sirhr
Oh wait.
Never mind.
Sirhr
I know it’s an old thread, but it looks like the OP wants to deny people their 2nd amendment and other rights just because he does not agree with their politics. Then tries to get shop keepers to participate in this.
Wow.
But it’s ok for us to arm up, and post violent thoughts and rhetoric, because we’re on the right side?
There are many right wing extremists ready to kill for politics, too. Shall we urge shop keepers to decipher their social media and make judgments there?
So we rail against any and all gun laws, then turn around to do what the OP wants?
I know the OP means well, but this sounds like something a vaxxed dem would do.
AOC and company have added social media checks for all gun or protection related purchases. If they don’t like what you have posted, you can’t buy a gun or even body armor.
Full speed ahead OP.
I hope I'm missing something.
Wow.
But it’s ok for us to arm up, and post violent thoughts and rhetoric, because we’re on the right side?
There are many right wing extremists ready to kill for politics, too. Shall we urge shop keepers to decipher their social media and make judgments there?
So we rail against any and all gun laws, then turn around to do what the OP wants?
I know the OP means well, but this sounds like something a vaxxed dem would do.
AOC and company have added social media checks for all gun or protection related purchases. If they don’t like what you have posted, you can’t buy a gun or even body armor.
Full speed ahead OP.
I hope I'm missing something.
